Help me out with gaming TV

Hi

I recently bought a samsung 32 inch lcd tv 720p for my laptop as a monitor, it looks ok but when i game it looks pretty pixelated. I was thinking of this TV
Insignia 39" 1080p 60Hz LCD HDTV (NS-39L700A12) : 30" - 39" LCD TVs - Future Shop

It's insignia but its 1080p and a bigger size. I have 400-500 dollars to spend and would like it from futureshop.ca.

Can someone help me find the best gaming tv or give input on the insignia vs my samsung ect.

Thanks Alot

 

I prefer Plasma's for gaming and so do most other videophiles. Just go google "Plasma vs. LCD Gaming" and you will see why. I really don't feel like explaining myself nor arguing over someone defending LCD's just because they own one. Bottom line. A Plasma's native refresh rate is higher and doesn't need to rely on image processing placing artificial frames to limit image blur.

By the way, there are some LCD's that are as good for gaming but they cost much much more. $500 should get you a decent Plasma and you won't have to rely on settings like Gaming Mode.

 

Do you know of any good plasmas?

will 1080p make much differance on a 32-50 inch screen?

 

32 - NO

anything above 40 inches - Maybe

Just remember. Unless you have a nice GPU, it may benefit you more going with 720p. Your FPS will be higher which will result in smoother game play as you know.

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PN42C...f=sr_1_23?s=tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1332902543&sr=1-23

Amazon.com: Panasonic VIERA X1 series TC-42PX14 42 Inch 720p Plasma HDTV: Televisions & Video

http://www.amazon.com/LG-42PW350-42...ref=sr_1_5?s=tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1332902578&sr=1-5

 

I recently bought a 51 inch 720p 3dtv Plasma from Samsung and I am very pleased with it. http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-PN51D490-51-Inch-600Hz-Plasma/dp/B004MKNQHS

I got it for 500 cash used for a couple of weeks. Had it driven to my place and tested it out, works perfectly.

They have done a very good job with this tv as there is no noticeable pixelization while playing my favorite games @ 1360x768.

I went into the service menu to customize the white balances/ adc/wb results and have gotten deeper blacks and a better balanced contrast out of the TV's picture.

As long as you know not to mess with unknown settings or automatic calibration settings, the service menu can be very useful in getting the best PQ that you would otherwise not get with the TV's regular controls.

 

It looks pixelated, because you are running 720p on 32 inches.

I have to disagree with this. There is a noticeable difference between 720 and 1080 even on my 17 and 18 inch laptop screens. Take that and stretch it for almost double it's length diagonally? Yeah, I think it would be pixelated and would bug the hell out of me.

But hey, to each their own. People are affected by different things, in different ways. Now I will agree with that, depending on your laptop's video card, you may need to use 720p if you want to turn your settings up in games. The more pixels your card has to push, the more strain it's going to have on it.

 

1. Your testing this on a 720p native laptop screen AND a 1080p native laptop screen? Testing 720p on a 1080p native looks incredibly bad. And yes, I own a 720p native screen 14 inch Laptop and the PQ is terrible if compared to my 17 inch 1200p native resolution P7805u screen.

2. You cannot compare most Laptop screens if not all to current HDTV quality. Seeing 720p native on a 17 inch Laptop will most probably look many times worse than 720p native on a TV screen 4 times the size.

3. More pixels does not necessarily mean a better PQ on an HDTV at the proper viewing distance. Most hardcore videophiles cannot tell a difference between 720p and 1080p at the appropriate viewing distance from the TV screen.

 

Like I said, to each their own, lol

 

I had a 32" LCD (720p) for a computer monitor for several years. It work ok for most games, but the 1080p really is better, even at 32", just because you are only a couple of feet away from it.

For what its worth;

If i had it all to do over again, i would have gone 1080p.

If it is for PC gaming only, you can get a nice 27" Monitor for about $300-$400.

 

1) it's 2012...i feel sorry for anyone using a low resolution screen on a laptop bigger than 11-12 inches. this point is irrelevant anyways.

2) u can't compare laptop screens to TV screens because of the quality of the panel and the amount of technology a TV can cram into it's shell. if this monitor will be hooked up to a laptop or desktop then u'd have to be seriously retarded to go with a 32+ inch 720p display. again...it's 2012!!! software downscaling is light years ahead of what it used to be as long as u're staying within your TV's native screen ratio. u can easily downscale to 720p resolution on a 1080p monitor without much, if any, PQ degradation now.

3) YES! more pixels = potentially better picture quality. u CAN'T argue that. period. stop being so plasma bias and pumping out such misinformation. u've failed to mention plasma's tendency to have fluctuating black levels (blacks turn grey over time due to phosphates), buzzing noises, energy consumption, heat, and image retention. i can go on and on and on. i have, both, plasma and LCD. YES! any amateur "videophile" can EASILY tell the difference between 720p and 1080p. unless u are partially blind and/or don't know what u're lookin at. again, we are comparing 1080p vs 720p here. NOT a specific 1080p TV vs a specific 720p TV.

@OP: to answer your question. u want the TV with the lowest possible response time for gaming. u will usually get more bang for the buck out of a plasma, but get more "peace of mind" from a nice LCD. if u do happen to get an LCD, try to find one with a "gaming mode". plasma vs LCD is just a retarded debate. it all comes down to personal preference and your budget. don't let the plasma vs LCD nonsense sway u from something that might fit your bill better.

for what it's worth: i prefer gaming on my 47" LG 47LH90 (full LED backlit LCD with local dimming) in gaming mode than my 59" Samsung PN59D7000. the Samsung PN59D7000 was rated best picture quality of 2011. the only real difference between LCD and plasma is the philosophy on the way they produce their pictures. that's about it. my personal opinion: plasmas are better suited for movies and cable/sat. computers and games benefit alot from LCD's more vivid/"poppy" color reproduction.

 

Post of the thread.

With a $500 budget, go for a Monitor.

One question, how far away will you sit from this screen? What are the intended uses?

 

Interesting posts?

1) I was thinking plasma but im using it as a monitor and the burn in makes plasma a nono. sorry
2) I was asking about name brands and if it matters insignia vs samsung?
3) I sit 3 feet from the monitor and I have buyers remorse somewhat as it does look pixelated and its very annoying having a game look like its running at 680x480, I wanted to know since the screen is so big if 1080p would make a differance with the pixelation or if its just something you have to sacrifice for a big screen?
4) 720p vs 1080p? well it is a dumb debate, it depends on how far away you are and I think it was a well known fact that at 8 feet away and 36inches or less you would not be able to detect the diff unless your an alien or something.
5) my tv/keyboard/hdmi cable came to 426. on april 5th i get 75dollars and i can take out a 100 dollar loan. thats 600 but I would be screwed for food. I can only spend 426 on hdmi/keyboard/tv and I think I got the best I could get for my money, 326 for a very nice lcd tv. its recieved pretty good reviews and everyone says its image quality is amazing. however I agree but when im 3 feet away the pixels really show in crysis with the palm trees ect.

So What Tv could I buy with my budget That tops my samsung 720p TV?
And I have a 6990m and handle games with ease at 1080p however im enjoying getting 70-80fps vs 30-40fps with my new tv


If you read this thanks alot and feel free to post your opinion I kinda need help on this, I can take the tv back no problem.

 

Buy This, Save the extra to eat on and Be Happy.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001481

 

thanks alot for the advice!!

I cannot order online !

My TV = Samsung 32" LCD HDTV (LN32D450) : 30" - 39" LCD TVs - Future Shop

Something I found

Samsung 23" Widescreen LED 3D Monitor With 2ms Response Time (S23A700D) : 22" - 23" Monitors - Future Shop

they are both samsung

very hard descision as I have to decide today before it gets too late.

The main things are do I want to lose 9inches
Do I want a sharper image
Do I want a faster response time
Do I want 3d

do you guys think sacrificing 9inches and performance in exchange for faster response time better Image Quality and 3d is worth it?

And can you tell me anything about the 3d for the samsung I have a 6990m but it says it can convert normal 2d into 3d as it has a converter what does this mean becuase im a rookie when it comes to 3d technology!

To be honest I feel excited about having 3d, im just curious about the technology it uses and if it will work out of the box with my 6990m?

please help me out with this as I have very little time to decide

edit:
I have a np8150 and im pretty sure its hdmi 1.3 and I would need hdmi 1.4 or is it just the cable type that I need? so maybe the 3d is not even possible with my laptop

 

where do u live and have u checked out Slickdeals: The Best Deals, Coupons & Discounts on Laptops, Computers, LCDs, TVs, Dell, HP, Apple, Amazon

brand does play somewhat of a role because of the different types of panels used. Vizio shares similar panels as Samsung, so u could try a Vizio. there's no real reason to go with an "off brand" because of the abundance of sales floating around. u can get a decent quality/brand for as much as the "off brand" stuff. again, most important thing u're looking for in a gaming TV is response time. the less response time there is = less lag, less ghosting, and less pixelation during gaming, sports, and fast-pace scenes.

P.S. - have u looked into the Sony PS3 3D Display? it's a 3D 24" 1080p monitor. i got one for xmas and it's pretty dang convenient. although it's picture quality can't compare to a top-tier plasma/LCD, it's still very nice. comparable to a good 1080p laptop or computer monitor. very decent black levels and contrast. weakest point would be the white levels because there's no adjustments for white balancing. for $300, it comes with the display, a game, and the active 3D glasses. it's not a bad deal really. i picked up an extra set of 3D glasses to enable that SimulView stuff. u can play a 2 player game and each person will see their own individual screen inside of their glasses. nomore split screen!!!

 

If it has to be Future Shop;

Samsung 27" Widescreen LCD Monitor with 2 ms Response Time (P2770H) : 24" & Up Monitors - Future Shop

3D will double the price;

http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/samsung-samsung-27-widescreen-3d-led-monitor-with-3ms-response-time-tv-tuner-t27a950-t27a950/10181319.aspx?path=a4027388fd2aca4b5780bd2da8cf7a32en02

 

doh! didn't see that; thanks. any reason why it HAS to be from there? that REALLY limits your choices now.

 

He mentioned not being able to order online. Guess that is the only retailer in his area in Canada?

-OR-

We can get creative.. I bet he is a fugitive on the lamb from the law, and escaped to Canada. Tonight he plans a heist of the Local Future Shop store.. But upon breaking in, has a change of heart and decides to pay for his purchase with small, unmarked bills from the bank robbery.

 

Whoa whoa whoa, I never mentioned anything about Plasma TV's in particular. I was talking in general regarding the technology associated with HDTV's, be they Plasmas or LED-LCD's. "Potential" is the key word in this and the whole point of my post.

What I was talking about was a specific 1080p "X" brand HDTV vs a 720p "X" brand HDTV. Of course 1080p has more detail that 720p. You're missing the point of my post. I can tell from my own experience that the 1080p on my old LCD HDTV and 720p on my new Plasma 3DTV have very little difference in PQ at 6ft of distance from my viewing spot. I can definitely tell the difference at 3-4ft away, but I have no intention of sitting that close to a large TV in my living room. Hope that clears up the misunderstanding. 1080p DOES have higher PQ than 720p, but it is not noticeable at a far enough distance from the TV. It all depends on how your room is set up, and quite frankly on personal preference.

 

I bought the 23inch samsung.

My thoughts are this thing is epic!

The colors are 100 percent true according to the box and after seeing it well yep.

If I had a np8170 580m with a 120hz screen i could play 3d games but at half the performance! with my monitor all i do is press 3 buttons and bam everything is true 3d and has no hit on performance in fact i played crysis maxed in true 3d and it was amazingly cool. very neat technology 3d is getting better and better!

Image quality is 1920x1080 23inch well its not as sharp as 1080p on a 15inch but it looks sharp enough for me obviously its good!

response time = 2ms!!!!! says enough

Its brighter than my laptops display by quite a bit !

now the important thing was a decrease in size (9inches) worth the trade off, well in short yes. I have to move my head to see the stuff on the screen because its still pretty big. on the 32 inch it was neat how big it looked sitting 1 foot away from me but it was overkill for a monitor and pointless when you cant even see the entire picture.

So a summary If you sit close to your monitor get 1080p and dont bother getting something bigger than 23inches as you will just have to move your head more. And lastly this might be the 3D solution AMD users are looking for but has not been advertised very much so its on the esoteric side of things.

 

3D displays are not yet serious technology. It's way too gimmicky.

 

Masterchef341 do you know what trolling threads is?

You posted nothing helpful to the thread that others read!
You posted a negative opinion juxtaposed to my opinion!
You posted something Untrue with no Basis or Logic!

3D is popular period!
3D has advanced quite a bit!
3D adds another Dimension (depth) so thats pretty cool!

To say 3D is a gimmick is cliche. It's as logical as saying the x and y axis dont need a z axis because z is a funny looking letter!

 

+rep, and I agree with everything you just said.

 

Nice, where did you buy it from?

I recently got an offer for my 3dTV for 700 bucks so I might just sell it, make a 200 profit and get that Samsung S23A700D instead for less money.

I need to find a local store though here in Miami Beach that sells it.

 

andros: man o man the samsung you want is wicked.

It is 'like' a high quality IPS screen, and has a f'n amazing 2d-3d converter built in. its not the biggest screen but as ive found my eyes just barely see the entire screen from about 2 feet away, and that is like have a 109 inch screen 6 feet away but at a much higher IQ. simply pull the monitor closer and walla you have a big screen. 23inches is perfect. I found 32in useless as I could not see the entire screen and had to literally move my head around just to see the full picture and it took away from the experience. for monitors 23in is the highest you should go. if you want to layback on the couch get a projector and sit back like 6 feet and enjoy. IMHO they are both the same. 109in at 6feet gives you the same experience as 23in at 2feet but you will get more definition.

ps


23in 3d FTW

 

3D technology has advanced quite a bit in the last couple of years but I personally think it is far from being worth it. It is a neat thing but nothing that is game changing in the industry. If it was, then everyone would be rushing to their stores to purchase a "3D ready" t.v. You spent $400 on a 23" 3D panel. If it was me, I would have purchased a similar panel that was Non-3D for around $200-$250 and pocketed the extra money. The 3D feature just isn't worth it to me. What would be game changing in the industry is the day companies make OLED monitors affordable as the quality is just unlike I have ever seen. I have an OLED screen on my Samsung Galaxy S2 and even though it's a phone, the quality is just stunning. Just my 2 cents.

I remember buying a 24" Asus 1080p monitor back in the day and loved it, I'm glad you're enjoying your monitor as well. I just purchased an HP 2711x (27" LED 1080p) monitor for $300 shipped. Can't wait for it to get here so I can start playing some Battlefield 3 on it in 1080p maxed settings!

 

Yea Im loving the 3d but I have not made up my mind if I should keep it or not!?

23in is nice but I kinda miss 32in. I could take it back I have a few more days to decide, I was thinking the same thing as COOLBLUE 3d is neat but is it really worth the cash. I think I could return it and just save up for a 1080p LED TV and use that as a monitor. It's really a tough descision, will I have a better experience with a 40in screen in 2d, or will I have a better experience with a 23in 3dtv. Im leaning towards 3d being the better choice right now but that could change, especially when the time for exchange or return is up.

hard choice.

edit.

But dont get me wrong I love the monitor to death and it's rare that I like something so much.

 

Ive found something that might make the most sense.

Samsung 51" 1080p 3D Plasma HDTV (PN51D550) : 50" - 59" Plasma TVs - Future Shop

I could save up for this its 800 dollars. 1080p/plasma/3D/500cdm/51in

what do you guys think? save up for the samsung plasma?

 

That's basically the TV I have right now lol but in 1080p

 

Hey someone offered me $700 bucks for my 51 Samsung plasma 3dtv model pn51d490. I am interested in buying the Samsung 23 inch that x32993x has bought for $300.

Can anyone with experience with both share some advice on what would in your opinion work better for me.

I have a Laptop that can run all my current games extremely well @ 720p, 1080p gets a bit stressful on my GPU. Does the 23 inch Samsung image scale well when running 720p or does it look blurred?

What would in your opinion produce better blacks and whites and better colors for gaming?
My current TV is very good and produces a great image, but I could use the extra cash right now if the Samsung LED monitor is a good substitute.

Let me know what you think.

 

doesn't look like a bad deal at all. i have the Samsung PN59D7000 that i picked up for around $1700. the D550 looks almost the same except with a few less features.

don't quote me on this, but i think downscaling has more to do with the software side. ever since Windows Vista and Win7, downscaling has come a long way in terms of minimal PQ loss (if at all) as long as u stay within your native screen's ratio.

from personal experience, nice LCD/Plasma PQ > any regular small monitor/tv unless u break the bank on a high end monitor. it's hard to get contrast and white balance right when most small monitors/tv's don't even let u mess with those settings.

 

Heh, sry had to quote on it and yes, I think you're right.

Went through a lot of work to get the TV's PQ to be perfect in deep blacks and bright whites, and I thought it looked great stock!

Yea, once I get the monitor and I won't be able to adjust those settings I will probably be greatly disappointed. Besides I don't need the extra cash THAT bad...

Thanks for the advice.

 

good luck bro! let me know how it goes because i will be in the market for (2-3) 20 something inch monitors soon.