How much power do I need?

Ok, first off ignore all other things I have ever said (for those who are already whipping up my past posts)

Now... How much power do I need in a laptop?
Mainly graphics right now because power means money and size

I want to game (Crysis, source games, bioshock, Sandbox2, upcoming games etc...)
edit video music pictures
multi tasking (Im talking browser at 10 pages, msn, yahoo, windows live mail, myspace im, skype, itunes and then game or w.e)

So my guess was 8800m gtx because it will satisfy my needs, and its lifespan
BUT I also just thought about 8700gt and 8600gt... how long would they last me? 1-2 years? any game on full settings at 1280*800 or 1440*900 (asides crysis....)

My considerations are:
m15x
Gateway FX
Sager NP5793 (how thick is it?)

 

Depends on what is the life expection of the laptop
F.e. take a 8800 laptop play crysis at high settings without additional cooling fans and you will see some smoke from the gpu...the shaders of crysis stress a quad core with desktop 8800...imagine what can happen on a small piece of hardware where hot air is costrained...

And laptop power is bottlenecked by some factors as hard disk rotation that on laptops is the weak point for gaming...

But if you don't want to fuse your laptop go for a 8600 or a 9500gs...

Maybe i'm wrong but i believe that a laptop must be balanced to be productive...
For all your multitasking needs simply get a dual core T7xxx and >= 2GB Ram

 

Siz, I`ll go past the fact that there are a zillion threads about this out there so let me just put it plain and simple:
1)best bang for the buck at the moment is the Gateway FX
2)the 5793 is 1.5-1.8 thick(max thickness at the back) but has a beautiful triangular shape which makes it sexy Also,it is a better performer compared to the gateway and much better build quality,components,screen etc
3) Alienware is overpriced and with POOR customer support.Stay away from them if you want peace of mind.

If you want it to last 2-3 years, the 8800M GTS is the absolute minimum for you.

 

My main concern is 17inch scares me...

its big

And how heavy is the NP5793?

The gateway was kinda poor quality IMO its was flexible and heavy kinda thick and stuff... ill check it out one last time

If the price is $119 im buying it 75% sure this weekend

 

17 inches really isn't that heavy in your arms because the weight is evenly distributed. The NP5793 is probably 12 pounds.

 

12 pounds

I geuss im sticking with 6-8 pound AW

 

I'd get the alienware, the alienheads and neon lights are well worth the premium price! Make sure you get the cool alien hat and t-shirt too!

 

Still haven't decided on what to buy other than your 8800MGTX obsession? Here's a few hints then.

1. Good graphics card (8800m GTX fits, GTS isn't far off)
2. Decent processor (I assume you mean video encoding, that would mean at least a T7xxx C2D processor for semi-decent speeds, Penryn if you can afford it)
3. At least 2-3GB of RAM, go for 4GB if you're going for 64-bit OS.

You keep claiming you've filled out the "What Notebook should I buy" FAQ in the past, so frankly this post shouldn't even be on this forum.

Build up the muscles, none of the 3 laptops are considered light and your pet 15x model remains the lightest and smallest choice available. Budget is really up to you on how much you can beg, borrow, save or steal.

 

I would recommend that you forget about laptops at this point. With your requirements, it is more cost-effective and a more long-term buy to simply get a desktop.

Crysis can bring even the most powerful desktops to their knees. There isn't a chance that any laptop out there can meet your specs, not to mention your specification that any laptop capable of such things should be light.

 

You've forgotten his previous threads, keeps insisting he needs a powerful laptop for gaming since he travels often and likes to game on a go. However he also says he likes going ghetto for his budget instead of asking for a loan from his wealthy family which rather restricts his laptop options to his pet obsession: Alienware 15x.

 

there comes a time when you need to let go of the hand and start making your own decisions.

 

I am just trying to see if I really needed the 8800m gtx

And once I found out that the NP5793 is 10+ pounds and the Gateway needs a proc. upgrade and wont last as long as the m15x I went for the m15x

Thank you for NOT reading my post, since it said ignore all other posts I ever made

 

I did actually, but it's hard not to ignore your previous posts since it says a lot about how much thought you actually made into buying your new laptop. I assume you didn't read my first post very thoroughly other than the sections which really mattered to your ego.

Last I remembered you're first and foremost an FPS fanatic and Crysis nut. If that's the case the 8800GTX is the ONLY choice for you since you give the impression of wanting the best image quality on screen with good framerate from your gaming machine.

Of course, you'll likely ignore anything I type here since I "don't read your posts carefully" and "like to whip up previous Beatsiz posts".

 

What does your gut tell you to go with? It is best to buy more than you need than less.

I'll share a story with you, maybe it will help. A few years ago I bought a laptop with a 64MB video card, thinking it would be enough for me to enjoy my games (this was around the time that 128MB cards were preferred). I told myself it would be a great machine but deep down I was unsure about the purchase; I ended up buying it anyway and going against my gut instinct. Well, my gut was right - 64MB was not enough to play my games and was a serious bottleneck, I knew it the moment I fired up my first game. Every time I played a game with the machine, I wished I had gotten a 128MB card. I was never happy with the machine because of the 64MB card. It was an expensive mistake; I sold the laptop 3 months into ownership and took a several hundred dollar loss.

My desktop is extremely overpowered and I hardly use a fraction of its power. However, it's nice not to have to worry about not having enough.

I'd advise you to go with the most powerful graphics card you can afford if you are a gamer. Take a look at the Clevo M570RU (Sager NP5793). That would be my choice if I were in the market for a gaming notebook.

 

Very well put, unless you plan on upgrading every 6 months, buy as much above your needs/wants as your budget will allow. Upgrading core components in laptops still isnt a viable option for the most part, and I dont see that changing anytime soon. I do my gaming on my desktop, the size, expense, lack of upgrade options, and just the overall experience of laptop gaming doesnt really work for me.

Another option you might want to consider for portable gaming is building a toteable lan box, granted you cant play games on a flight, but try playing a FPS on a 17" lappy in coach, your desire to play probably wont outlast your battery. I've seen some pretty impressive rigs stuffed in those little boxes.

 

So I am going for the 8800m gtx im happy im sure about that now

m15x vs NP5793... its almost a win win situation in my opinion... downturn on the Sager is the OS is missing, size and weight. Downturn on the m15x is slightly higher price, missing upgrades....

If they would release the frigging base config id have my m15x 8800m gtx with all I need for about $2300 but no right now im forced to wait or to get the useless HDD in it since I already have one and the ram...

If they elevate the price on the Peryn, skull cap and stuff once they offer it I am going for the sager no matter what

 

Go for gold. It'll last you a while. Laptop GPU can't be upgraded with a few exceptions so you'll be stuck with whatever you choose, so choose smart. I'd go with an 8800M series at least.

 

Well that kind of figured The 7 series will be dying faster and faster in 1-2 years

AT LEAST? Theres something better than 8800m !? lol jk :

I guess now I just have to wait so AW releases its base configuration

And OH BOY am I going to flip out if they dont offer the base configuration with an 8800m gtx upgrade!

 

Hm...another thing...

That's talking about the NP5792/3

This thread has more information about that

 

I'd go with anything (Alienware m15x/m17x sounds good, I guess?) that has a GPU in MXMII format, and upgrade it yourself a couple of years down the road. By that time the warranty's probably void anyway, and the 8800M GTX will likely be reaching - or have passed - the end of its lifespan as a viable performance card.

 

Well, it depends what detail you're talking about. If you settle for lower settings the 8600/8700 will be enough for you, and its available in 15'' and 14'' laptops. For example, my 64bit x1700 notebook can run crysis at low-med, 848x480 with at 30-40 fps.I don't know about you, but that res is perfectly fine for me. The 8600m will be much better than that.

 

Dude,that`s the biggest load of crap I`ve ever heard!
The 579x is BELOW 9 pounds WITH the power brick. Mine is 7.7 pounds the laptop and about 1 pound the powebrick.Add a mouse and a headset and your at about 9 pounds. Jesus Christ,what some people can say...
If you want GOOD support,quality and performance, the 5793 is the ONLY way to go.
If you have so much money that it kicks you out of the house,get the overpriced and similarly weighted m15x.
Or if you care about the money and you`re not that picky,the Gateway FX is the best POSSIBLE option -hardcore gaming at under 1500$. I only wished I had that option before...

 

Also, the Gateway does not need a processor upgrade to be a competent gaming machine. This proves it:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=218971

 

exactly....for now the processor is just fine for gaming....only in RTS games will it bottleneck the system more than usual.

check out the link in my sig for more 8800m GTS benchmarks if your interested, theres about 8 games tested.

OT: @ harley, i did not mean offense to what i said b4, it wass a joke and 75% was a gross over guesstimation, no worries

 

I don't know anything about you and I haven't read your previous posts; but its not like I would simply forget everything about you anyway. Your system requirements are way over the top. If you want mobile hardcore gaming, have you considered the HP HDX? Or, if you must decide between the Sager and Alienware, I would strongly recommend the Sager.

 

the HP HDX is powerful in what way? m15x NP5793 and Gateway kick its but like noones business... unless its got sli 8800m gtx lol

I just got back from BB and I am completely clueless on what to buy now...

How close is the NP5793 to the Gateway ? Size, weight, performance, price etc...

Sorry if I was a troll or whatever you marked me as before but im serious now.

And the price is at around $1400 for the gateway... will it go lower?
How much would a peryn proc. cost me?
I am going to be doing quite alot of video encoding and playing alot of physics games, and sooner or later start with like nvidia in gpu physics demos and stuff will the proc. be necessary?

I have a 1.66gh core duo and if thats the same speed as the gateway I am def. upgrading... this thing is pretty slow

 

Dude, a penryn T9300 should be about 300$,add that to your 1400$ gateway,sell the 1.66 and you should have a kick arse gaming laptop for about 1600 with 3gigs or ram, 8800M GTS,a T9300 and the ability to play ALL games at native(1440x900)...
Difference between them? a lot. But you said you`ve seen the FX. The 5793 might be a bit heavier,but also more expensive.
The 8800M GTS will be some 10-15% less powerfull than the 8800M GTX, but will help at all games. The T9300 should be about all you need for encoding and such.
PM bwxeon who owned an FX and started the gateway FX thread about details on the t9300 and build/power quality.

 

Sorry but people have been saying 8.35 with battery... so plus powerbrick that around 10 pounds... plus the bag... thats over 10 pounds...

OK so what were talking a pound ... but m15x is around 7 pounds... with battery I hope... but who knows... the NP5793 is made of plastic... the m15x out of aluminum...

 

DUDE. I HAVE ONE. I think I know better how freakin heavy it is, don`t you think? MAX 9 pounds WITH POWERBRICK. period.

 

It's not 10 lbs., even with the power brick. With the bag, maybe. Basing a decision on a few pounds' difference seems trivial, especially considering you are talking about a desktop replacement notebook. I'd bet the NP5793 feels similar to the m15x weight-wise to pick up since the weight is more spread out with the NP5793 - it has a bigger screen.

You use plastic like it's a negative for the NP5793. Read my excerpt from the review I wrote:

I'm not telling you to get the NP5793, only pointing out that you should not base a notebook on things you haven't researched. http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4235

 

CHAZ how does it feel compared to the P6731FX ? If you ever seen one... at BB...

That could help me alot... now I just need to find an m15x owner so he can tell me how NP5793 or P6731FX feels like....

And how is the matte screen on the NP5793? Only a couple sites offer 1440*900 with glossy.... and I cant afford the $ for 1920*1200 which is overkill anyways

 

Then the sollution is simple! Get the FX, play all games at native, have a 17 inch screen and awesome price! what more do you want?

 

ok you just keep bringing this up AND WE HAVE TOLD YOU ALLREADY!


AHHHHH!!!!!

do you just like talking about this or receiving attention!

why do we need to keep telling you what to buy! you have all the benchmarks at your disposal make your own friggin decision.

 

^ I love wookies

 

you're a PHONY. anyways indecisive people never go far in life so choose wisely and in a hurry :

 

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I AM STUCK IN DECISION

Mainly because after this purchase I wont have any money for a laptop (car, house, college etc...)

I know I am bugging you guys but imj serious

If I buy the FX how hard ill it be to upgrade to a T9300? Does the FX have robson memory?

I know there are benchmarks but I never see ONE person doing the same benchmark on m15x vs NP5793 etc... and post them... when I go around and look some ppl say crysis on 8800m gtx runs at all high other say all high except post processing and other stuff... but yet they both have about the same FPS

 

The upgrade will be easy. PM bwhxeon about that, he did it !
Forget about the robson memory,it`s a waste of money.
The 8800M GTS will run crysis on high but at a lower resolution the the GTX.
The 5793 has a better cpu(penryn) and should benefit from that,whereas the m15x does not.

Buy the damn FX, buy a new CPU,sell the old one, and save some more money and get laid.You need it...

And you`ll have a gaming laptop and got laid. How better can things get?
Sheesh.

 

i can run CRYSIS ON VERY HIGH on 800x600 and on high on 1440x900! its fine and will be more tha enough.

 

I feel like im being talked into this lol

I will probably buy the FX on monday... yes... thank you...

Im expecting the worst right now

I will buy a Peryn online and AS5... is that good? I should get the T9300 since it has 6mb cache and its the best bang for the buck

I have a 250gb hitachi drive SATA... the FX does have 2 hard drive bays right?

 

yeap

that is the best CPU choice for you right now.

it does have another HDD so you could raid them if you wanted to.

 

excellent review btw

The crysis on medium scared me... ppl with 8600gt play on medium...

And... Now I am 20% m15x 50% gateway 30% NP5793

 

So what do you guys think between Sager NP5793 vs Gateway P-6731FX vs AW M15X
Regardless of PRICE is the main concept here

I vote m15x since its smaller and more powerful

 

Since we don't regard price, the M15x gets my vote. Otherwise, the gateway is the best for price.

 

Agreed with Beatsiz. m15x is powerful for 15" plus it has really good battery life options. Downside however is a load of money. I don't really care for the lighting scheme either but it is a nice touch. If the Sager had better battery life I'd say that would be the best bet because its a better bang for the buck but if battery life is really important to you then the alienware can pop out a few hours.

 

Customer service matters to me so thats a auto disqualify for alienware..."I don't like knowing more about computers than the tech support either". Gateway scores big time I think in the price vs performance area. Then there is the np5793. I think that laptop has the highest chance for future upgrades and I would say they have above average customer care. So I guess your real choices are a laptop that stands out, a cheap high performance laptop or high quality customer care.

 

dude you have issues.

 

bastard....so your the one who sicked him on me. Just started reading this thread, I never did the upgrade, I sold the laptop the day I was going to lol.

 

His Offering Pleased Kitty

 

I have to agree with bwhexeon. Alienware's tech support is laughible and their customer servise is deplorible. Not to mention the pice gouging. I also know for a fact that you can upgrade almost ever part of the Sager. I also own a Sager and love it which makes me a little biased.

SAGER ALL THE WAY!!!

 

beatsiz, why did you create a new thread on the same topic? Don't do that please. I merged both of your threads.