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    How would this work (360 on PC?)

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by shinakuma9, Jun 6, 2011.

  1. shinakuma9

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    More Xbox 360 Games On Windows 8 Details

    Basically windows 8 will let you run 360 games on a PC. SO would that mean its basically Microsoft's emulator. I wonder what sort of hardware it would need. Does Microsoft assume everyone will have supercomputers by then? :(
     
  2. DEagleson

    DEagleson Gamer extraordinaire

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    Why would you get this?
    The article says that you wont be able to PWN X360 players, it will be a extra subscription fee required and if its emulating then you wont be able to get any better graphics anyways.

    Better to just buy a separate Xbox 360 instead, they are like dirt cheap?
    (At least here)
     
  3. shinakuma9

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    I'm not paying for XBL. I just want to play games I never got the chance to. Such as Gears2/3 etc. Its all single player games I want. Never ever am i gonna pay for XBL.
    I'm just wondering how demanding it would be on hardware since i dont know how in the world they will manage this.
     
  4. CarlosGFK

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    Think of it like this the laptop in your sig would be more than enough to play any xbox360 game. The x360 is using hardware from like 4-5 years ago.
     
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    KCETech1 Notebook Prophet

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    I just want to see the console boys/girls get pwned.

    I think it should be easy to emulate if I remember correctly the 360 uses someting similar to windows 2000pro for the OS and such.
     
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    If it's native to the operating system, it shouldn't work like a emulator at all, all recent generation hardwares should be able to handle them just fine.
     
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    prob some emulation or coding needed as I dont believe the CPU is x86 cased in the 360 but some sort of RISC.

    upside is microsoft knows exactly hows it works.
     
  8. shinakuma9

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    Well yeah. But I guess I'm also hoping by the time windows 8 comes out i have a beast desktop :3
     
  9. Syberia

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    Why would I pay a subscription fee to play XBox games on my PC, when I can play them on my 360 which I own outright (but only for console exclusives, since I can buy the PC version of PC games anyways and avoid the fee that way)?

    This makes no sense at all.

    Now, if I had the ability to copy the 360 games I already have to my HTPC and run them off the HDD in true 1080p without paying some sort of monthly fee, I would jump on that immediately.
     
  10. shinakuma9

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    ??? I'm pretty sure this is catering to the crowd that never bought a 360 and want to play non released PC games on their PC. Its up to you if you want to pay but IMO that model won't work very well seeing as what happened with GFWL. Also this is supposedly set to release a bit prior to Microsoft's new console meaning that X360 would be dead shortly. Its just to generate further sales from the games available on the 360. Theres no reason for me to pay because I only wanna play single player games I never got to.
     
  11. Syberia

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    Can you play single player games without a subscription? Because I'd very much like to play Red Dead Redemption at 1080p 60fps as opposed to 720p 20-30fps. And to take it with me on my laptop as opposed to being stuck to a TV.

    Then again, considering I would already own the 360 version of a game, I wouldn't feel too bad about enabling 360 emulation via a hack and "obtaining" an .iso from somewhere.
     
  12. shinakuma9

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    I doubt it would be 1080p tbh unless they supported it. Seeing as the 360 is a 720p output. If the "emulation" allows you to run any game at 1080p that would be sweet.
    Also I don't see why you cant play single player games without a subscription. You can do that on the 360 already. If they tried to make us pay just for single player games it would fail harder than GFWL did. Also pirates would succeed in bypassing that anyway.

    I think the emulation would let you use the 360 discs on the PC...who knows we still need more details and this is quite far off.
     
  13. KernalPanic

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    Like said before, the challenge is translating code meant to be run on a triple-core RISC processor to a CISC processor.

    Microsoft writes the code and indeed does the ports already... of course this can be done and of course they can offer it.

    Given the difference in sheer hardware power, this isn't a surprise.

    I wonder if Microsoft will let you run it as well as a PC can or artificially limit it to xbox "nerfed" resolutions and frame rates.

    There is no way Microsoft will let the mice-wielding PC players play the controller-wielding console crowd.
    Their entire console customer base would emo-quit in the first week.
     
  14. ViciousXUSMC

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    This is cool if there is a way to play 360 games on my PC, finally I can play FFXIII.

    But the cost of Windows 8 will probably be 2x of a brand new 360 :D and of course the 360 will just work and not be composed to all the PC issues that could occur with performance and bugs.

    I feel my PC is up to the task though so I am not too worried about that, and any emulator should be able to enhance the games even if the game did not have native content on the console past "console" restraints.

    Look at Zelda & Mario and stuff on Dolphin working across 3 monitors with increased FOV, no way did they intend for the game to run like that on the Wii so it was not implemented like that on the game on purpose, it was purely something the emulator can do.
     
  15. Syberia

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    All I know is that the current PS2 and Wii emulators out there allow us to play in native 1080p if we want to. AFAIK the games still use a graphical engine that can scale across resolutions (though it was only programmed with one setting for textures/other details), but they're just locked into using one on a console.
     
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    I thought that this was just an unconfirmed rumor.
     
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    Given how hard it is to emulate even a PS2, unless they actually port the code over to PC then I really doubt this will ever take off, ports temselves are bad enough as it is.

    As to running at higher resolutions, quite often you get unintended glitched when you push a game past what it was desgined. Bear in mind that unlike PC games, console games aren't made to be scaleable and so the developers never bother making it work properly with higher resolutions.
     
  18. fantabulicius

    fantabulicius Notebook Consultant

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    Who knows, windows 8 may allow you to play xbox720 games.

    Remember we don't know what hardware the next generation console will use neither software, maybe Microsoft will shoot for compatibility.
     
  19. Fat Dragon

    Fat Dragon Just this guy, you know?

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    Tell that to Playstation's backwards-compatibility over the years, as well as any Nintendo 64 game ported over to Gamecube (though that might not have been OS-level).

    I could be wrong, but I'm assuming that any Xbox 360 compatibility in Windows 8 will be much more power hungry than the basic Xbox 360's specs. That's not necessarily to say that it'll be prohibitive, they might optimize it enough that most everyday Windows 8 PC's can run them with no trouble, but there's no guarantee.

    I wonder about the smaller screen sizes, though - sure, most PC's have high enough resolution for "HD" games, but I remember playing some Xbox 360 games on something like a 24-inch TV a few years ago and a lot of the text was unreadably small...