I saw an Asus laptop with a RX 580/i7 7700HQ for $1200...

Correction, base clock seems to be at 1077MhZ with the boost going beyond 1200 MhZ (and being able to sustain it).
As can be shown here:


" The GPU side is powered by a Radeon RX 580 card which features 2304 stream processors and a clock speed that boosts beyond 1200 MHz. The GPU is stated to feature 4 GB of GDDR5 VRAM and comes with a 65W TDP."

Same was said in this Wccftech article:
http://wccftech.com/asus-rog-strix-notebook-amd-ryzen-7-8-core-cpu/

Same thing repeated on Linustechtips:
https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/786482-asus-unveils-8-core-ryzen-notebook-with-rx-580-4gb-gpu/

So, if that's the case, then I really wonder if even an overclocked 1060 mobile could actually 'wipe the floor' with RX 580 that boosts beyond 1200 Mhz - especially since DX12 seems to work better on AMD.
Also, you're not comparing apples to apples either.

1060 mobile TDP = 80W (it would seem per notebookcheck) and base clocks at 1500, boost to 1700Mhz?
RX 580 mobile TDP = 65W (stock clock at 1077, boosts beyond 1200 MhZ).

Overclocking doesn't seem to yield that much in performance increase in the first place for either GPU and can bring up power consumption by quite a lot.

I'll personally take the more efficient AMD GPU tnx.
If you wanted to make things equal, Asus could increase RX 580 the extra 15W by cranking up the clock speeds a bit more and then compare stock for stock with same TDP (I imagine the differences would be something akin to RX 580 being entirely equal or possibly better in DX11 and shooting past in DX12 even more).

Of course, its best to wait independent reviews for when the product is actually released and we're not looking at the engineering sample.

 

That "clock speed that boosts beyond 1200 MHz" line is a fabrication by the ever reliable WCCFTech (probably copy-pasted from another article about desktop Polaris) that been proliferated. LTT and Indian dude are simply reiterating WCCFTech. There's no evidence supporting it, while I've provided photograph evidence that shows the RX M580 in the GL702ZC at 1077 MHz inside the AMD driver, as well as a more reputable site in Bit-Tech, who actually got a sample on-hand to preview and benchmark, saying the same thing. Like I said, Radeon Settings only lists the core boost clock, just like how GPU-Z only lists the core boost clock for AMD cards.

And where are you getting that 1060N has a TDP of 80W? Because Notebookcheck says so? Prema said it has a TGP of lower than 80W.

And remember, TDP is only the GPU die, while TGP includes the VRAM and other power consuming components on the board.

So again:
RX M580 (1077 MHz) = 65W TDP
1060N (1405-1671 MHz) = <80W TGP

EDIT: Here is a more up-to-date post on TDP/TGP of mobile 10 Series cards:

 

Where is your evidence for 1060 mobile having a lower than 80W TGP exactly?
This article is a bit dated but still valid and well in line with TDP being usually said (today) for 1060 being 80W:
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graph...GTX-1080-1070-and-1060-Enter-Gaming-Notebooks
There's also Techpowerup quoting the same TDP:
https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2868/geforce-gtx-1060-mobile


As for RX 580 claims not being valid... I guess we will have to wait and see - discounting it just because you say so (where is your evidence its a fabrication?) is a tad silly. I usually take it with a grain of salt.
Oh btw, you also claimed that 65W for mobile 580 was bunk too until I showed you an actual sticker from the laptop saying 65W.
Calm down with the negativity.
I was under the impression that these kinds of options in laptops are a good thing - unless you're going to claim that it was also a bad idea to put a Ryzen 1700 (8 core/16 threads) into a laptop as well and finally pushing 8c/16th CPu's on laptops into the mainstream.

Sigh... I'm going to bed.

 

See my edit. And try to understand the difference between TDP and TGP, and who Prema is.

65W is not the TGP of RX M580, that's why I discredited it because you've been comparing it against 1060N's TGP, not 1060N's TDP.

 

So, I'm expected to supply sources for my claims (even if I left them open to change), otherwise it's 'made up', and apparently remains 'made up' because the said sources don't agree with you, but then you make claims about Prema and 1060 TGP and expect me to take you at your word.

Double standards buddy. Right now I don't have the time to hunt for info on Prema or confirm your claims of 1060 TGP. So, I'd appreciate a source of your claims if you can provide them. If you can't or won't, I can just as easily claim your statements are made up.

 

I mean, if you don't know who Prema is or what he does, then that's pretty much end of discussion right there. Because 99.99% of laptop enthusiasts here or anywhere, and many resellers, will vouch for him.

 

That's not really a good argument. It's like me saying "Oh, you don't know who Rossmann is, you don't know anything at all"

 

The way it's said maybe isn't.
But it's true that for all of us here, quoting prema is a much more reliable source than any other one.

 

Sorry, that's not a valid argument. Failing to provide sources when requested (after you requested me to do the same, then jumped the gun) and sticking to 'take my word for it' is quite frankly ridiculous and I'm afraid I can't take you seriously

 

Except I do know who Louis Rossmann is, and he's a red herring that is irrelevant to this conversation. If you're gonna insult someone's intelligence, pick a better example next time.

Prema is a reliable source because of his work and his connections. He's not perfect, but he is a helluva lot more knowledgeable than these "tech journos" out there, every single one of them. I'd bet the farm on that.

Look at it this way. Who do think knows more about the game of basketball--Michael Jordan, or some writer or reporter/host at ESPN?

 

So you counter one "red herring" with a red herring of your own. Good job, you're totally making sense and a sound argument /s

 

At least my analogy makes sense, unlike yours that came out of left field.

 

Not really, both or them are irrelevant and so is Prema in this discussion. Fact is, the RX 580 desktop card surpasses the 1060 desktop. On mobile, it's currently tied from what I've seen (Bit Tech benchmarks is what I am going off of)

 

Then forget the name Prema. The information is what counts, and that information about 1060N TDP and TGP is the most reliable we have. It counters @Deks claim that the RX M580 has a lower TDP seeing as they are both 65W, and the TGP of the RX M580 is unknown.

DT RX 580 does not surpass DT 1060. A factory overclocked 580 with almost no OC headroom may surpass a 1060 FE, fine. But let's take an aftermarket 1060 and overclock it to the limit, then see how that "fact" holds water.

Bit-Tech's preview is a very small benchmark sample size, and they used the Aero 14 which is a vastly smaller form factor than the 17" brick GL702ZC. The 1060N in the Aero 14 boosts in the 1500-1600 MHz range, which as @Talon noted is nowhere near 1060N's full potential, and it still beat the RX M580 in DX11. If anything, this is a testament to Pascal's efficiency that they're beating a DTR with an Ultrabook.

 

Sigh, I can see why he stopped replying. I intend to do the same. I've already linked benchmarks supporting my claims and @Deks has also linked sources. Meanwhile, you can't provide a shred of evidence to back your claims. Enjoy your echo-chamber, I'm out.

 

You too, enjoy your confirmation bias chamber.

 

I have the 17 i7 7700hq 16 gig ram and the rx 550 8 gig .so far I am very happy with it .it was this or a 1060 3 gig ram so the rx580 won out so far I couldn't be happyer

 

Well don't be such a tease! Throw up some benchmarks, and system clock speeds and temperatures and hardware utilization under load. Better yet, record some gameplay footage with RTSS running in the corner and upload it to the 'Tube.

 

let me try and figure out how to do that .I have been out of the pc life style a long time now .my last system was a Athlon 64 socket 754 4igs ram and a 9800 128mb all custom water cooled , but I had a house fire then not long after that I was a mechanic working under a car and the lift failed and turned me in to a human pancake .so now I get a round good on wheels and have a much better wife then the one that ran off when I was recovering .she got me this laptop so I will get right on getting some numbers and screan shots .it did run 3dmark at 4300 it didn't know what the video card was

 

Use GPU-Z for clockspeed and 3D Mark Fire Strike for performance.

 

cpu z is reporting clock speeds of 300mhz for mem and core no way that's right and 3dmark I got 4300 .I am guessing the cores clock down at rest . I use fraps on titan fall 2 every thing maxed out and it stays at 60 no matter what I am doing .trying to make a you tube vid but failing bad

 

GPU-Z has the option to set each sensor to show maximum values. Also, are you running Fire Strike Extreme or basic? Since 4300 is awfully low for an RX 580, it should be around 10000-12000

 

I am having probs with posting my 3dmark scores ..3811 but did show a warning that it didn't recognize my cared cpuz did show 12662 MHz on the core speed but still only 300 .sorry I am not much help

 

I didn't know there was a basic or extreme . I will have to look it runs any game I have tried maxed out and never dops below 60fps 4

 

1266MHz is about what I'd expect the 580 to be boosting to. 300MHz is the idle clock.

 

ok I ran the fire strike and got 11832 but it still saying it cant id the gfx card

 

That's normal - I could never get it to detect any of my GPUs. And 11832 is slightly ahead of the 1060 laptops (which according to notebookcheck score about 11400 on average)

 

so this laptop isnt officialy available?

 

The Asus one? It is, should ship next week.

 

There are really 3 scores: Total Score, Graphics Score (GPU), Physics Score (CPU) + the full name of the benchmark to report when reporting results.

That's why it's easier to post the URL of the results instead of trying to copy / paste all the results one at a time

You can also post a snipping tool grab of the 3dmark results, next to the CPU-Z and GPU-Z info, and the hwinfo64 results of temp for CPU cores / package + GPU.

It takes some practice to size and align all of those Windows, but once you do it's easy to grab a shot of all of them while the peak load of a test is running, and again after it's done and the results are showing.

Congratulations on the new all AMD Laptop!!

BTW, where was the laptop purchased? What dealer or retailer? Price? If it's a gift you might not know, but we are wondering where to get them

 

If it is a FS graphics score, then I would say it's not bad at all for a stock score, slightly better than laptop 1060, couple of % slower than desktop rx 480 (12186).

It is HP Omen from what I've read with i7-7700hq, so not all AMD

P.S. I guess, this:
https://www.amazon.com/OMEN-machine...qid=1502368238&sr=8-2&keywords=hp+omen+rx+580

 

Tbh, what kills the laptop is the price. 1300 pounds isnt worth it for the ryzen 5

 

I believe it's HP's new entry-level Omen - should be about 1400-1500$ for the base config.

 

I have been very happy with the games I have tried . battlefield hardline maxed out 60 fps no dips at all and
my wife got it AT BEST BUY .ITS A HP OMEN I7 7700HQ 16 GIG RAM AND A RX580 8 GIG THE CORE I BELIVE RUNS AT OR AROUND 1250MHZ STILL NO IDEA ON ME

 

It actually is - considering it's 50% more powerful than the 7700HQ you usually find in these laptops.

 

sorry about the caps just woke up my bad

 

the one in the post above is it cost 1150 and she got a really nice printer all in all she sead it was under $1300

 

1300$ for that laptop + Printer is actually very good value

 

That is indeed a very good deal! Congratulations on your purchase mate

Good to finally see competition in the mobile market. It's an amazing step for AMD considering how small the market size of 1070/1080 users is. If AMD could compete in the 1060 and lower segment + the current competition with intel, then only users will reap the benefits.

 

Yup. The biggest hurdle for AMD on mobile is the less knowledgeable users' stigma and ancient views. Most people still thing that there's nothing more to AMD than FX CPUs and reputation change is slow and painful.

 

I used AMD/ATI GPUs before on mobile and desktop platforms and can't say I had worse experience than Nvidia counterparts. And my wallet was happy as well

 

Here is a detailed history of devices I have used/worked with

CPUs:

-Something old with 1 core
-Athlon 64 x2 Mobile
-Athlon II x2 250
-Intel core i5 4590
-AMD Phenom II X3 Mobile
-Intel core i7 4720HQ
-Intel core i7 6700HQ

GPUs:

-Something old with crap performance
-ATI HD 5670 from Sapphire
-ATI HD 6850 from MSI
-AMD R9 280 from Asus
-Nvidia GTX 860M
-Nvidia GTX 970M

I've only ever had issues with drivers twice. Once was when AMD's driver was making one of my older DX8 games go nuts and once when GeForceExperience decided to "update" itself and corrupted some NTFS files forcing me to reinstall the OS

 

I always was a amd guy from there so so 486 to the thunderbird then there famed Athlon cups up to there socket 754 and 939 I had a nice water cooling rig back then but a house fire cost me every thing .always wanted a good gaming laptop and on my birthday I got a very nice shock

 

Not to derail this, but what do you guys think about Coffee Lake? Finally gonna get some Ryzen competition in terms of core count? I am hoping for a competitive 6 core mobile Intel. That'll be the biggest jump forward in quite some time for us in terms of CPU!

 

Intel's Coffee Lake 6-core CPU's are too little too late, and likely too expensive and too hot.

Ryzen already has 8-core and 6-core CPU's shipping in laptops, and Coffee Lake CPU's for laptops of this class likely won't be out until next March. The desktop and ULV CPU's usually come first.

I wouldn't wait for Coffee Lake in laptops, by then there will be new Ryzen CPU's to counter them, once again Intel is behind the innovation cycle.

 

Kinda nice to have some real competition again then, eh? I am betting though that Intel will be able to mobilize a lot quicker than March because I feel (and obviously cannot provide any evidence of this) they've been waiting for AMD to move the market forward- see what they do, and counter immediately. They have Coffee Lake presser and release set for Aug 21st though so we'll see soon!

 

Intel was not ready for AMD's successes this time around either.

Intel has shown this with their ill conceived responses and childish taunts of AMD in public settings.

Intel had no prepared cohesive plan of response to AMD, and likely still does not.

 

21st of August is only a paper launch. Availability is expected in October.

As for mobile - we have 3GHz 8-core Ryzen. Intel are offering 2GHz Covfefe Lake 6-cores. No thanks.

 

I am happy AMD has something to give intel a real competition

 

I just watched the review of the GL702ZC.
60 hz FreeSync panel with Ryzen 7 1700 and RX580.
Benchmark scores are a bit low but AVG game fps is not that bad.
If Asus puts a low pricetag on it Will not be a bad purchase.