I think i saw a 8800M o.O

http://www.notebook.de/toshiba-satellite-x200-serie-g-650/

- 17" WSXGA+ TruBrite, Aufl. 1680x1050
- 2048 MB DDR2-RAM 667 MHz
- 300 GB SATA-Festplatte 4200rpm
- 256 MB nVidia GeForce GO 8800 SE
- HD DVD+-R/+-RW DL Laufwerk (8x/4x/5x/16x/10x/12x/24x)
- Wireless LAN komplett integr.(a/g/n)
- CardReader (MS+Pro,SD,MMC,xD)
- integrierter Nummernblock
- Instant DVD Funktion
- DVI-Ausgang
- Harman Kardon Lautsprecher
- integrierte 1.3 Megapixel Videokamera
- Elegantes und Robustes Gehäuse
- Windows Vista Home Premium
- 2 Jahre internationale Garantie

I wonder if they meant the 8700GT.. i ll email them.

 

Its very likely its just the 8700M GT. If that notebook was on the website before the release, then they may have simply written the "Go 8800 SE", because that it the graphics card they expected it to have.

 

It says 3-4 weeks till available. Maybe the 8800M will be lunched by then.

 

Got the reply:
"vielen Dank für Ihre anfrage. Sofern es sich beim dem angefragten Modell um das X200-203 von Toshiba handelt wir das Gerät voraussichtlich mit einer nVidia GeForce GO 8800 SE erscheinen."

So it should have a 8800M by then... i rather have this 256bit monster than the 128bit 8700M. The 8800M have more potential...

 

Lost could you please translate what the reply was?

 

Thanks for posting your findings lunateck, very interesting. I wonder why there is a "Go" prefix before the 8800 though; Nvidia doesn't name their cards like that anymore.

 

I am more worried about the SE subfix! doesnt SE mean underclocked? maybe even 128bit?

Toshiba had a go7600 se in one of their notebooks. Did it only have a 64bit bus?

 

"SE" is usually a crippled card, yes. There will be more than one version of the 8800M though - a GS, a GT, and a GTX. I have not heard of an SE version but maybe it will be one of the cards that is not on Nvidia's roadmap. Intel does the same thing - they have chips they don't announce or provide info on (ex: the Core Duo T2250, T2350, Core 2 Duo T5200, T5300, and so on).

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=2021290

 

The translation (important part): "Sofern es sich beim dem angefragten Modell um das X200-203 von Toshiba handelt wir das Gerät voraussichtlich mit einer nVidia GeForce GO 8800 SE erscheinen"

"If you are asking about the Toshiba X200-203, it should come with a nVidia Geforce GO 8800 SE."

Well, SE is a crippled card for sure.. it is something that is like LE, which doesn't quiet reach the standard of the GT and they lock some of the shaders away. But the good part is,if it is soft-lock, we could reopen some shaders that are good and we ll get 20 to 40% of performance more without overclocking. And plus, the 8800M should have the interface of 256bit compared to the 8700M GT which onli have 128bit.

 

Key is the memory interface. The 8600 series already has a good amount of shader power, especially vertex, but the memory bandwidth is limiting it. Even doubling the stream processors up to 64 from 32 of the 8600s and keeping the 256bit memory bus would do wonders for performance.

 

Unless of course it is as wave said, they completely cripple the card by keeping a 128bit interface. That would make the card quite useless since the 8700gt would be out.

 

A 128-bit memory bus may cripple the card, but consider what improvements may be present on an 8800M core. More stream processors would be a good thing, and it could have a resonable clock speed. I don't think nVidia would release such a card, and expect it to be the same speed as the 8700M GT.

 

If they did nothing else but increase the bus to 256 I would be content.

 

Those improvements need to be exposed by a higher memory bandwidth. If they combined the 8800's number of shaders with the sort of bandwidth the 8600GTS has, it would be a gong show (eg. very bad).

 

wow..
i hope that it is true..
but,germans expectations always came true,sooner or later..

 

Everyone here have same hopes, i think...

Personally i don't care if it's SE, Go or M... I care only if it will be something serious in comparison to Go 7950GTX... But no matter of that, there surely is some kind of mistake/typo in the information they provide about that card :-/

 

They(notebook.de) double confirm that it is a 8800M so look forward to 8800M gpus in 1 month time.

 

Yesssss :} ~~~~~~~~~~

EDIT:
According to NBR x 200/205 is confirmed to utilize 8700GT... So x203 has to hold inside the 8800M then... Let's hope what They (notebook.de) say is still true...

:-/

 

Does somebody think it would be possible to put a 8800m in a 15.4'' notebook, or only in a 17''?

 

Well it seems that these new cards consume less power than 7xxx cards, but it's still impossible to say if they can put it in a such small frame like 15,4". The cooling problems steps up at that point.

 

Its very difficult to say. Going from past experience, nVidia has never put one of their high end parts in a 15.4" notebook. In my opinion, it seems unlikely, because of the power consumption and thermal output of such high end graphics cards.

 

...and propably the size of the card ;-)

But i would just love to see it no matter of the size of the notebook they will put it in...

 

Experience shows that 7800/7900 and X1800/X1900 only showed up in 17" notebooks. Same counts for the 8800M I think.

 

I'm willing to go with an affordable 17" laptop if the 8800M turns out to be really really good.

 

Hey guys, a nvidia guy post a pm(seems like they cant post stuff on the forum) to me and said that the correct specification is the 8700M GT and not the 8800M. Well, so dissapointed....

 

I've got following comment about this laptop on my blog ( here):

It's quite odd to me, why should NVidia PR manager be bothered with my blog post? Or they just don't want 8800 SE info to be leaked beforehand.

 

Me too.. hehe.. well u could try and ask whether if the 8800M is coming at all.

 

yeah send him a pm back.

 

Why don't they get in touch with notebook.de, and make them to change laptop config?
Or maybe it's true, and no 8800 exists?
What will you say?

 

oh i think i figured out the mystery. i bet it IS an 8800m... specifically of the GS variety.

my bet is that they meant an 8800m gs and something was lost in translation.

Here is why: we expect the names of the 8800m to be: 8800m gtx, 800m gt, and 8800m gs...

but originally- the CODENAMES for these parts were NB8E.

and the suffixes?

GTX, GT, and SE...

thats right-

NB8E-GTX, NB8E-GT, and the NB8E-SE

i think i deserve a pat on the back for this one.

 

It is certainly the gs, if it is a 8800M, anyone know the codename of the 8700Ms?

 

Done. Waiting for reply...

 

Uh... bad news :-(

I hope that after some time a real enthusiast 8xxx card will be brought to market... But the more time flows and the closer to Penryn/9xxx we are, the more sceptical i become...

 

Here's the reply:

What do you think?

 

i think that i already figured out that they MEANT an 8800m gs - something was obviously lost in translation, probably due to the codename NB8E-SE.

 

8700 should just be the 8600 GTX
I'm expecting a GS, GT and a GTX for the 8800, lets hope that they are better than the 7950GTX by miles because DX10 requires huge resources...
Anyone notice how nVidia is completely pwning AMD? AMD picked a battle on two fronts and is losing... GeForce 9 is on the horizon...

 

Lol yeah it's pretty sad how crappy ATI's mobility radeon cards are in comparison to Go 7XXX's. They're taking forever to release their mobility 2XXX's too. And goodness AMD is taking forever to launch its Phenom chips... hopefully they'll trounce Intel's quad cores otherwise AMD is screwed. And another thing, Turion X2's SUCK. Intel and Nvidia ftw!

 

Even if the Phenom is a killer cpu I am afraid Intel plans on killing AMD via price wars.

With the quad core going down to 260$ next month and a stock 1333mhz 3ghz cpu for 260$ they are going to pick up the majority of the market (as if they havnt already) and so when pheome comes out it will cost to much to pull in new users probably or not offer enough of a performance jump to make people upgrade from an already good intel cpu.

I highly doubt AMD will be able to do both: have a higher performing cpu and have it cost less, and thats about the only thing they can do if they want there market share back.

I like AMD myself, but I already plan to get one of the intel quad cores for my next desktop system after the price drops.

 

I only saw an X1900 mobility in the Alienware 5750, and that lasted 2 months (ordering capability) and it was underclocked because of heat issues, laptops which had the X1400 now have a 8400 or 8600...
I think nVidia gave cocaine to its employees for the 9xxx, its rumoured to be 2ce as powerful as the 8xxx and thats while theyre doing the m8xxx

 

This is bad news, coz if intel and nvidia doesn't have competition, they ll jack the price skyhigh and we will be the one who will suffer.

 

I read somewhere that Chinese portal 'PC In Life' has published the first results of desktop Radeons HD 2400 and HD 2600 real life tests. According to them, it looks like the HD 2600 XT is a little faster than GeForce 8600 GT, HD 2600 Pro is somewhere between 8500 GT and 8600 GT, HD 2400 XT is a perfect match for GeF 7600 GT and the HD 2400 Pro performance is similar to 7300 GT...

However i can't confirm them, those rumored results show some hope for HD's mobility counterparts... And for us, as customers...

:EDIT: I've just found some REAL in-game benchmarks for HD 2600/HD2400! They're unfortunately Polish-only, but the numbers speak for themselves... Test setup is on page 4, testing spans from 4 to 11, on page 12 we have the power consumption and on 13 - the overclocking...

Oh... and just by the way... the title of the article is "Everyone can castrate..."

 

Bad news! notebook.de changed specs to 8700GT :.(

 

Yep, i saw it too.

 

I've posted this in my blog (06.05.07) and forgot about it =) :

The source was http://www.theinquirer.net/... So maybe there will be 8800M in the future.....

 

I don't think there will be a 8800M GS...

I found this on page 2 here:
http://materiel.froggytest.com/modules/magazine/article.php?articleid=181

and the translated English version here:
http://translate.google.com/transla...om/modules/magazine/article.php?articleid=181

"For the small history, in the properties of the system, the graphics board is named: 8800M GS. As confirmed to us the same person in charge Toshiba, it acts of the name of which nVidia thought initially for its 8700M WP. Here, the pilots are not yet completely up to date…"

Note: it's suppose to mean 8700M GT, the google translation mess it up.

 

Two things come to my mind after reading this... Either nVidia decided to postpone the 8800m indefinetly or the real 8800m chip showed such performance leap in comparison to 'overclocked' 8600GT that the previously intended 8800m GS made no sense anymore...

4021 points in 3Dmark 06... it seems that the 8700GT will show us performance level of a Go7800GTX... still not very satisfing...

 

yep, prety lame and make me things of taking the 7950gtx insteed of the 8700m in my next notebook I would like to know in what resolution they did this 3dmark06...

 

It should be 3dmark standard resolution of 1280x1024. The Toschiba X200 has a 1680x1050 screen so it can handle that resolution. It would be an amazing score if they ran it at 1680x1050 but I dont think this is the case.

 

This is quite interesting because the 8700M GT has similar 3dmark06 score as the Geforce Go 7800GTX but Nvidia stated that the 8700M GT runs Far Cry and Half Life 2: Lost Coast 27-34% faster than the Geforce Go 7950GTX...

 

yep, prety bad news...let's w8 for more bench, hope to see a lot better spect out of those, especialy in game.