I`m upgrading, are you? (GTX 780M review inside)

Here I come with juicy details, along with some benchmarks and some game benchmarks against GTX 680M (and alone).
The day have come. GTX 780M is indeed 1536 cores unleashed with GPU Boost 2.0 just like I previously speculated :thumbsup:

notebook.it168 have reviewed the upcoming GT70. If features Haswell i7 Quad Core processor, 3*mSATA in Raid0 GTX 780M with a whopping 1536 core count :thumbsup:
There are more slides in the source link so make sure you visit them to see them all. Enjoy

GPU-Z and GPU Boost 2.0


Synthetic benchmarks (3DMark Vantage and 3DMark11):


Battlefield 3:


Far Cry3:


Skyrim:


Reckoning:


Alan Wake;



Source for more information: http://notebook.it168.com/tu/1481053_1.shtml#1

 

looks great. What is the TDP of this GPU?

 

Most likely 100W TDP

 

Very nice.:thumbsup: But what do you think it will cost ?
I wait and See how fast 8990m will be

 

How many threads are you going to make about the 780M? Wow...

 

This review was totally worthy of its own thread in my opinion.

 

ill upgrade if the overclocking is good, if it can surpass my 680m's 9100k gpu score by a good amount then i will for sure, unless they price it over 600

 

The memory alone would be worth it, the full voltage ram will not affect 3dmark 11 P by much but will have a huge impact in real gaming.

 

Maybe we will reach 1500MHz on the VRAM now with overclock.

 

Now that I'm stuck with a non switchable graphic solution of the P150EM I will deffinitelly try to upgrede my graphic card to a high end nvidia as the 7970m?(with enduro) was just a huge dissapointment for me with a lot of pain. But as I can imagine that this new baby will cost around 1000$ all I can hope that it will drop the price of GTX680m to a reasonable affordable level..

 

Thank you so much Cloud for keeping us informed. Would you say this is worth a upgrade from a 6990M or should I wait for AMD 20nm cards? I heard a rumour that they might be coming out this year.

 

A GT60 with these specs would be my next option (if money's not on the short )

 

1250mhz default mem clock, is this real!? omg

 

Yes. 160GB/s bandwidth compared to 115GB/s (680M). Also did you notice that they did not just increase the cores from 1344(680m) to 1536(780m) but at the same time bumped up the clocks from 720MHz(680M) to 800MHz(780M)
No wonder it get almost 50% more FPS in Battlefield 3 than 680M in Ultra settings

No problem
Hell yes, this upgrade is totally worth it for you. I don`t know how much faster 780M will be than 6990M but it will be over 2x the performance. 20nm in 2013 is still a rumor, its up to you to believe it. Personally I don`t see them coming until 2014 is here.

If you have no rush, then just wait for Maxwell and the upcoming architecture from AMD. I know Maxwell will be in 20nm and feature new stuff like Unified Virtual Memory.

 

They tested 3DMark Vantage E? lulz... 87000 3DMark points...

Ok, I'm gonna buy a 780m and run my DirectX 10 games at 1024x600...

And I honestly think top end machines should be comparing 1080p benchmarks not 720p because that's likely what LCD resolution will be on the machine it's going into.

 

show me specviewperf and smallLux benchmarks then I may get excited

 

thanks cloud for this very great info
i hope gtx 780M will be compatible with my old Alienware M17x R3 :/

 

Its still GK104, so it will still suck in OpenGL. Its no Tesla/Quadro card

Hardware wise 100%. Not sure about software compability though.

 

LOL, even the Tesla cards aren't up to par any more, I just finished moderating a fight over at the Blender forums

 

I would expect very similar results to 7970M memory overclocking yes since it's chip limited.

Would be an excellent candidate for chip replacement actually...... Anyone got a BGA machine?

 

will PCIx 2.0 affect the performance significantly?680M was not capped much wasn't it?
hope the modded inf will release asap

 

PCI gen is only really significant to multi card setups, though with optimus you likely dont want to go lower than 2.0.

 

Well this is my next card(if it will be compatible)....:thumbsup:
Prema where are you man....??

 

So maybe the 8970m or rumored 8990m will be more to your liking!

 

What's a BGA machine?

 

A machine capable of removing BGA chips and soldering on new ones.

 

I think she will be excited by the 20nm amd gpus, but just mildly she is a classy lady

 

We made some progress with the newer vBIOS, which previously used to hang at boot, on Clevos HMs...

 

well, if this 780m turns out true, I am pretty sure everybody will end up upgrading HTWingNut, admit it, even you would upgrade

 

Yeah, with all the magic and sorcery I'm seeing with the 780m it will be a magical card.

I did say before though, 50% or better performance, and I mean real gaming performance, like BF3 multiplayer Ultra currently at 50-60FPS with 680m, running min 80FPS on 780m, then I'd consider. But that'd be quite the accomplishment without a die or process change.

 

that definitely won't happen without Maxwell, but they are just missing the smiley-face-on-top-of-the-die out of my exaggeration a few days ago hell, it is even better! never thought the default mem clock was going to be 1250mhz! anyway, I don't think it will be a major gaming upgrade over 680m as my eyes are old enough not to notice the difference between 60fps and 70fps

 

It could honestly be that they screwed up the chip layout of the 680M and didn't want to do a recall/redesign, and the newer layout makes it better able to manage heat. I mean it's the same process, but the core count being different could mean it's produced differently (especially if the 680M isn't a 1536 core card with some locked cores, but rather a flat out 1344 core card end of story. Maybe it uses the GTX 680's architecture design instead of the 670's for this

I could be talking a load of toad though, I'm just throwing ideas out here.

 

The difference between GTX 680M and GTX 780M:

The chip on the 780M is the exact same as the chip on the 680M, both are GK104. 680M had 1SMX (192 cores) disabled from the full GK104 chip (1536 cores). GTX 780M have all cores enabled. GTX 780M = 1536 cores & 8SMX. GTX 680M = 1344 cores & 7SMX.

GTX 680M had low voltage VRAM that only allowed 1200MHz clocks max. GTX 780M have normal voltage VRAM like desktop GPUs which have no problem running 1250MHz clocks. So 1500MHz (like GTX 680) runs is within reach with massive memory bandwidth.

GTX 680M had a pretty high voltage on the GPU. GTX 780M runs on lower voltage, allowing more cores and more clocks but at the same time not output much more heat than GTX 680M.

GTX 680M have GPU Boost 1.0. Meaning it will have a baseclock, and a turbo clock it will boost up to regardless. GTX 780M have GPU Boost 2.0. It keeps the same properties as 1.0, it have a baseclock and a turbo clock. But in addition, it also have a GPU Boost clock, which is above the turbo clock. It will only allow those clocks if A) The temperatures are within a certain limit B)It doesn`t exceed the power draw that is hardcoded in the vbios (it only allows that much extra power to ensure max TDP 100W).

So to summarize:
MSI GTX 680M: 720MHz Baseclock >> 771MHz Turbo clock.
GTX 780M: 771MHz Baseclock >> 797MHz Turbo clock. 800MHz+ GPU Boost 2.0 clocks.

 

I'm really tempted but have to see the price first and also I would prefer a gt6x version with a i7-4800qm and 780m

 

Wait, we can expect the 780M to have roughly the performance of a desktop 680? Since they're both 1536 cores.

 

Price-wise, the 680m Sli setup in the M18x in the UK was/is £1,020gbp over base gpu. I would imagine pricing for 780m Sli to be around the same kinda mark - maybe a bit more, like £1,200gbp over base. Obviously, buying the cards separate to the machine is where we are gonna see some pockets get hit hard.

 

Seriously underclocked in terms of core clock, mem clock may match by OC (but I am still skeptical it will ever reach 1500mhz)

 

I'm hoping they are what the 680M's are now (alienware prices) - $550~ each. Any higher and that is ridiculous...

 

Just amazed we now have a gtx 680 desktop card with lower clocks for notebooks.. Imagine what Maxwell will be able to do !!!

I am definitely buying the 880m/Broadwell combo next year ! Will be a decent jump from the 3720qm/7970m i have.

 

And the following year we are expecting six core mobile CPUs.

 

if 680m and 780m have same architecture.. why does 3dmark show 30% improvement, ok it has 192 more cuda cores then 680m and memory clock is very high.. but if they are on same architecture why cant 680m have 1250mhz on memory clock?

cant we give 680m same voltage as 780m and overclock it to 1250mhz?

 

i think this goes down to the quality of the silicon. Yes you could do that to the 680M, the only difference i think is that it will run hotter/consume more than the 780M. That is my guess.

 

Two reasons. 1536 cores and boost 2.0. Boost will artificially inflate the score.

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I think I might upgrade but, i really hope someone decides to tinker with the vbios and disable GPU boost haha Really nice machine, the new MSI GT70.

Haswell cpus will most likely be up to 15% faster in each category? (i.e. 36xxQM vs 46xxQM)?

 

thinking more like 10%, and in gaming? even less

 

Oh I don't care about improving gaming from the CPU. I still rocked a 920xm not so long ago, which pose no problems whatsoever. But If I decide to upgrade, it will come with a haswell cpu most likely, so I was wondering what would that be like. I have no complaints from my 3610qm.

 

Haswell will have zero impact on gaming.

 

Well that sounded dumb don't you think?

 

Hahaha, one thing is clear... I shall find out how much it can OC and reach for the sky!

 

I would not say 0 impact, when i bought my g73 jh (still my current laptop) I thought the 720 qm would be more than good enough. It turns out to be I was misinformed, the CPU handles single player games with no issues, but MMOs? It is very slow and the bottleneck. One would think a 5870m would not get bottle necked these days , yet even the other day I was getting 18 fps playing neverwinter beta when I was in town with 50% gpu usage. This happens in every mmo I have played, WoW, Aion, Tera, neverwinter and so on. If you like to play mmos I would consider checking this article Results: CPU Benchmarks : A Free-To-Play MMO? Neverwinter Performance, Benchmarked where you can see that even an i5-3550 fights to feed the gpu. Most others games I agree cpu barely contributes.