I'm Going Back To the 360

I would never exchange my Sager NP9262 or my Gaming Desktop (that I am building soon) for a Xbox 360 or a Playstation 3, I have several reasons not to do so, but I am only going to list those that do not create conflict between members of the forum:

1.- PC - Multi-Purpose Machine: Even though today's consoles are made to be more like PC's (as in, having Online Play and Media Features, and even Keyboards and Headsets), there is absolutely no console that can beat the multi-purpose ability of a PC, the Consoles are only for Gaming and other few activities, while on a PC you can do that and much, much more things than just plain gaming, productivity is a really big example.

2.- Xbox 360, Playstation 3 and Nintendo Wii - Lack Of Support For Mods / Blockbuster Releases: One of the major flaws of the gaming consoles is the lack of mods and blockbuster releases created by the community or the developers themselves, while it is really easy to get a mod on a PC (sure, there are exceptions), it is really no easy task to do it on a Gaming Console, due to the way they are programmed and developed.

3.- Xbox 360, Playstation 3 and Nintendo Wii - Lack Of Periodic Game Updates: A pretty obvious example is Team Fortress 2 for the Playstation 3, there have been no updates released for the game by Valve, and there are no plans to do it anytime soon, Gabe Newell said, another example is Left 4 Dead and Team Fortress 2 for the Xbox 360, Microsoft is making Valve charge for the Scout Update they are releasing for both the PC and the Xbox 360, it is in doubt if Microsoft will do the same for Left 4 Dead's upcoming DLC update for the PC and the 360.

4.- Xbox 360, Playstation 3 and Nintendo Wii - Lack Of Moddeability: Unlike the PC's, only some parts or accesories of said consoles can be swapped in for others, and they have to be branded for and / or approved by the developing company, unlike in the PC, where you can change mostly everything if not everything.

5.- Xbox 360, Playstation 3 and Nintendo Wii - Inevitable Outdating: Due to the reason explained above, there will be a deadline for the gaming consoles and their hardware will be outdated, and newer consoles will be released.

So far, those are my reasons (other reasons were not posted as not to cause conflict or flaming in the forum, which is totally unnecessary) not to switch from the PC to Gaming Consoles, even though I own a Nintendo Wii (mainly because of it being innovative and different when compared to the Xbox 360 and the Playstation 3, and not just being "another console that wants to be more like a computer".) and I play on it a lot.

 

Aeris, I think you forgot the most important and obvious reason for not trading - your sager 9262 costs 10 times as much as a console

 

Thank you for the reminder, saintalfonzo, I had forgot about that!

 

10 times more is being dramatic. Even so, you can do 20 times more on a computer. Besides, a custom built desktop would be a fraction of the price.

 

Hehe, the Gaming Desktop I am building, I have a $10,000 budget for it, now that is dramatic.

 

I don't see why it even has to be PC vs Console. Just choose what has the games and performance you want. The consoles just don't perform up to my standards. GTAIV, built on the consoles, can't even sniff at 30fps, and that's unacceptable for my gaming experience. 720p native and 30fps max aren't good enough for me, plus I need portability, so I pay more and gain more, simple as that. That said, if I couldn't easily afford an enthusiast-class customizable notebook, I'd settle for a PS3.

 

Well for a guy who just renting a room I don't have space for big screen TV, so PC for me all the way, and mod does make some huge difference on some games. My gaming laptop cost me about the same price as xbox 360 arcade on auction site

 

Im just curious, how do you know what Framerate it runs at?

 

how much higher than 30 fps are you averaging on your laptop?

 

Sheesh. $199 for an Xbox 360. $99 for a PS2. Now all you have to worry about is the TV, which I assume everyone to at least have one. If I had $1000 to spend on these things and didn't have a game console and a laptop or PC. I'd get an Xbox 360, PS2, one of those sub-$600 laptops with a 14" screen, low-end C2D/Turion X2, integrated Nvidia or ATI (GF 9200/HD 3200) for basic computing and I'm sure it's enough for basic multimedia (casual photo and video editing). I'll spend what's left of the money on used games which usually go for less than $10 each. I'm a cheap b@stard.

I can get a laptop that costs just as much as a PS3 and still do more than 20 times more things a console can do except for hardcore gaming.

 

Don't forget the awesome keyboard + mouse combo for PC. And that console is only for Fallout 3 PC.

 

i chose pc for 2 reasons

1, i need a pc for school work/music/films/internet anyway.
Maple 12 and matlab won't run on an xbox360.
2, ALL my steam games are fpss. so the controller is a no go for me.

so my options are weak laptop+console+tv or a slightly more powerful laptop.
and it just happens that a single laptop is cheaper.

 

I used to play a lot of COD 4 on XBOX 360 and eventually got bored. I decided to buy a gaming laptop to just play Armed Assault, and Project Reality (BF2 mod). I installed Armed Assault and whenever I tried to run it , I would receive a "shader/vertical blah blah" error. After searching around google I had no solution.
On to battlefield 2. I could not install the patch because the patch could not find the installation file. After research, I had to edit the REGEDIT of the game. Finally the patch installed. BUt.....when I would click on the bf2 exe...I would crash to desktop.
In summary, the two games I bought the laptop for don't work. I know remember why gaming on the xbox 360 is stress free. Too bad there are no realistic games.

BTW...I have a Gateway Fx P-7811 for sale....since I can't play my choice of games on it. [*removed by mods* - please do not advertise outside of the NBR Marketplace]

 

did you try running project reality as an admin?

 

Console seems to be the more economic choice, unless you will buy tons of games (console games are more expensive) - Xbox 360 is only $200 right now for the Arcade, which can still run all the console games. $200 on a computer will only get you the cheapest of the cheap desktop computers, although it is true that you can do other things on the computer. But buying a console and a cheaper laptop with integrated graphics rather than a high-specced gaming laptop would be cheaper, while still allowing you to play games and do things on the computer.

I actually prefer FPS on consoles - it just feels more natural, with force feedback, joysticks, little colored buttons, and a large TV. And the simplicity of pressing the power button, putting in a disk, and running it, without worrying about system requirements.

 

Much of the draw to PC gaming is the personalization and tweaking aspects of it. It's like people who love tinkering with cars, trying to get as much performance from a limited system as possible. For me, it's a huge part of it, and I enjoy it ALOT. Plus I like being able to do so many things at once with a computer. I can instantly ALT-TAB out of a game, into Windows Media Player, numerous web pages, IM, and then get back in so quickly. I love laptops and how my whole entertainment experience can sit in my lap as well as be taken with me. TV (with Tuner of course), Web browsing, Games, IMing, etc and of course practical work being on one machine I think helps to de-clutter what could be a much messier life than how things are now for me

Of course if mah lappy has a problem though, my cure for boredom goes FUBAR.

 

Back in Canada I have a 37" HDTV with my Xbox 360 and a very nice computer with a 22" LCD. I play all my FPS, RTS and strategy games on the computer as they are WAY better on PC and I like to play a lot of RPGs, racing, fighting, multiplayer - 4 people in 1 room not on xbox live and simulation games on the Xbox as well as the exclusives on either platform. If a game if for both I will no doubt play it on the PC unless it is a racing or multiplayer (offline) game then its on the Xbox.

There are different applications for each system and I think the attitude that you have to be on one or the other is completely flawed. Best of both worlds and a well rounded gamer is what I have and is what I am.

Xbox live is great and Steam is now getting to be the same magnitude as many games are on it and you can add any non-steam game to it to have the friends and overlay. PC and Console gaming are right beside each other in terms of the social aspect which I think is great for the PC as it never used to be this weay (thank you Valve).

I find that playing on the Xbox is a much lighter "game and go" experience while gaming on the computer is a much more involved experience with a great degree of thinking required to be a good gamer on the PC. I love to just get home after a hard day and throw in an Xbox game, mash buttons, blow stuff up and race and not really think about anything too hard and maybe play the games with a couple of friends for a light, fun game sesh. On the other hand when I have the time and want to seriously game there is nothing quite like the degree of strategy PC games can deliver such as Civ IV with all the expansions, Sins of a Solar Empire, Space Rangers 2, Supreme Commander (the Xbox version blows), all the Heroes of might and Magic games and Kings Bounty the Legend to name a few. Also the modding scene rocks and makes a single game into a hundred (HL2, Unreal Tournament 2K4 to name some).

Arguing for either side is like pissing in the wind really; there is just no point and all you are doing is soiling yourself when you could be playing games! Both sides have their strengths and weaknesses why argue about which one is the best?

 

@ thread starter

You just HAD TO announce it, did you?

 

OP, all of your points seemed okay with me until you pronounced that Xbox Live is better than PC online gaming and services. I absolutely can not understand where you are coming from - I've been a (relatively happy) Xbox Live subscriber since 2004 but I don't think it comes even close to being as good as free PC online services. We pay $50 a year, still get dashboard ads, rarely get dedicated servers - my biggest problem, since that leads to laggy matches of 4v4 on games of Gears of War when I can play lag free 16v16 or higher on almost all online PC games. Oh, and not to mention Microsoft still pushes everybody to charge for everything DLC related.

 

For years ive been playing on the PC. I just recently got a 360 though. And like it better as well.

 

It's a matter of personal preference, really. Is "PC gaming dying"? Absolutely not. It is still always going to be the best way to play the higher detail, more involved interface games - some just aren't really feasible using a gamepad, like many of the RTS titles.

People too often don't understand the difference between the two and get caught up in trying to debate whether an apple is better than an orange. For sports games, I just don't play them on PC. I think consoles are perfect for that. First person shooters is more a matter of preference. I've never been able to get used to the thumbstick for moving my target reticle and find the mouse much more natural, not to mention the fact that the mouse is more accurate. Other people genuinely prefer the gamepad for that. To each their own. RTS games are barely even a consideration on the console.

 

Both, if you have the money for a £700 gaming PC then youve probably got enough for a £100 console as well.

I suppose its the same with cars really. You could buy something to get you from A to B, which would be cheaper than getting a model with built in sat-nav, air con., sun-roof and parking sensors. But end of the day, they do the same thing/similar things.

 

I prefer to play all of my games on my gaming laptop. My Xbox 360 is hardly ever used (will sell it some time) and I only use my Desktop for business.

I like the freedom of being able to play games on my Laptop anywhere I travel whether it be simply downstairs, in the garden or in another region.

I find Desktop and console gaming less enjoyable because I have to stay in the same place (like in an office job).

I also use my laptop to watch DVD's, listen to music, type documents, edit sound and many other tasks that I could not do on a console.

Gaming technology and performance of Laptops is simply amasing and I am excited to see what improvements and upgrades come out next.

 

And don't forget that Diable III and SC2 will be coming out soon. Those two in itself makes PC gaming worth it...at least for a while.

 

East or west PC is the best.

 

Meh, just waste money depending on whatever satisfies your gaming gland.

I still enjoy friggin' Duck Tales on NES.
That does not make NES the best 3var!!oneshift+1, it just... makes me giggle like a schoolgirl when I play it. Satisfying.

So, to the original poster, the " I'm going back", should not be taken literally, now, that you MIGHT enjoy more your games on the 360, does not necesarilly make the 360 better than the PC, you just find it more enjoyable, whereas the 60% of the world population might light torches and throw pickforks at you claiming PC PWNZ()RZ!

Its a matter of personal taste, I enjoy my PC gaming A LOT!, and I enjoy my console gaming as much! but, thats just me

w()()t.

 

in my opinion, consoles work best for the party games like guitar hero, madden, or some of those wii games.

i've noticed as i've gotten older, i don't really play many games anymore, and they're not worth forking out 60 bucks when i only put them down so fast, so the console isn't a good bet for me anymore. i'm mostly keeping my xbox and wii for when i move out with my friends so we can add them to our entertainment room. plus, the only games i really play these days are designed by valve.

 

I love gaming! I love my PC!

• total immersion in the game is unbeatable imo
• has responsive controls
• customize your experience & get the most out of your hardware with tweaks & mods

I also own a PS2 and Wii. The PS2 I bought for $150 and has many proprietary games that I enjoy (i.e God of War, Killzone, Sly Cooper...). The Wii is a different animal all together. Again the proprietary games are the best for the console.

But if you are asking PC vs 360... I would have to say PC all the way. Yes a bad port shows up here and there. But those games I usually reserve for the bargain bin purchase if I feel daring to try them. Otherwise all my most favourite games ever are mostly PC 1st titles. And the ones that are not feel great if not even better on PC imo. And I never liked GTA games so not a good point in your argument.

Half-Life Series
Far Cry (console versions are atrocious)
*Far Cry 2 (Way better on PC)
Quake 4
Prey
FEAR
*Bioshock (Way better on PC)
*Dead Space (Excellent on PC)

I guess it just depends on what's important to you. If you like 360 then get a 360. I don't agree with the "cheaper" argument though. A cheap PC (for daily use) + 360 + expensive games = not cheaper than a mid-range gaming PC that maxes out any new game you buy (for cheaper than the console version).

 

FEAR is war better on pc also. i think thats one of the worst pc to console ports.

 

In Shooter games, it is easier to control on the PC. At least to me.

It took me a good week to get good at the controller.

 

FEAR is a PC 1st title. The games i marked with "*" are console titles ported to PC. But yes the reverse does happen (bad PC ports to console) such as FEAR, Far Cry (not even a port really), Star Craft, Half-Life etc...

 

Yeah, using a controller is a skill and in-game its more realistic.

 

though everyone on xbox 360 is limited to the same hardware and crappy controllers, so everyone has that disadvantage, and you don't always get those ridiculous "twitch" players.

i mean, only on PC games would you get headshotted within 1 ms of peaking out from a wall.

 

i think we will see a time in the not so distant future where you will be able to connect a keyboard and mouse to ANY console

 

There is a connector that does it pretty well already for the 360, but I dont know how well.

At some point, consoles will have to merge and become PCs. They've gotten similar every generation. Technically speaking the original Xbox is a PC?

Actually, in a few year I think we will have 'non-gaming' PCs and Apples and Entertainment Systems for media and gaming (and their portable counterparts).
The Entertainment Systems would have the standardization of Consoles therefore utilization of hardware would be insane and the online capabilities, content and mouse and keyboard/controller thanks to the PC.

This might just be a mad thought but hey w/e

 

I know it might be a stretch, but I think mobile gaming will really take off. Look at the iPhone and iTouch. There is even FPS games for them now. If they can nail down a decent control scheme combined with the accelerometer it will get insane!

I also think consoles are turning into PCs. PCs you can't upgrade though, like a big ugly Mac. PS3 is a good example. Look at what it can do.

http://www.overclock.net/playstation/200500-what-ps3-can-do.html

 

The problem here is that it's also easier for EVERYONE else. Some people are insanely fast twitch gamers in FPS's, and since there's no wait time waiting for a mouse to scroll across the screen like their is with a controller, a skilled PC gamer can aim and land a shot in under 150ms, where as most people playing with a controller have to take about 3 seconds to line up one of the angles, then strafe to line up a precise shot. I myself on PC can make a complete 180% turn, and land a headshot in under 1/4th of a second once I see that damage indicator or hear a sound from behind me, where as me playing a console, it would take "myself" about 5-10 seconds just to make a 180% turn then line up a shot, and most of the time I can't aim at all so I'll have to strafe just to get a chest shot.


Consoles, well aside from the argument here being pointless as this is the gaming section of a notebook PC forum... Consoles are basically just an entire PC on a single PCB with hardware DRM and a custom OS. Eventually their OS's will become so complex like a desktop OS, that all of the same problems facing PC gaming will exist for gaming consoles, such as the high piracy rate and ease of obtaining pirated games/media.

 

i would play my xbox 360 but my mom smashed it

so now i sold all my xbox stuff at gamestop and now i have 253 credits and i dont know what to do with them

 

The FEAR port to 360 was rather excellent I think honestly. The PS3 version......lol.....that's another story. But in the end, FEAR is a PC game from the get go, and it's better on the PC naturally because of that. FEAR 2 has me worried because the game is multi-platform from the get-go, which means what we might have come to expect in a sequel to be possibly dumbed down to be viable for consoles like the graphics and the way the game levels are created. I was rather pissed off when I heard FEAR 2 was going to have a regenerating health system. That's total bollocks and the only reason they are doing it is to satisfy the console crowd that has become so used to it thanks to Halo 2. I hate how people can only think managing your health in a game is inhibiting to the gameplay and just because one good game did it, everyone must follow suit. Thank God for Crysis and Crysis Warhead, even if Crytek decides to never make a PC only game ever again, because at least they were willing to take another chance with a PC only game. Same to all the other European developers like GSC Game World, etc that continue to not be seduced into multi-platforming their games, therefore not reducing time and energy on one version just to crank out a PC, 360, and PS3 game because the executives and shareholders demand it. But on another note, thank God for the devs mandated into multi-platforming their games that stick up for the PC version and do make the effort to make it better than what the consoles have like Mirror's Edge which will release with Nvidia PhysX Support via GeForce 9 series and above GPUs (not sure if 8 series will be supported, correct me if someone knows).

 

To me, thats a 'zomg teh gemcueb is for kidies bcuz it has purpil cuoulur' post.

 

Is there some tweaks you fellas do to your mice in order to play without lifting up the mouse all the time? I just ask because I played today COD4 online but was getting walked because I had to constantly running out of space on my mouse pad.
I never remember this happening to me when I was a teen play Tom Clancy's Rogue Spear or Ghost Recon.

Help...

 

you kiddin me
RESIDENT EVIL 4

still play that

best game ever

 

I still play that as well, as well as RE0, and REmake...

But you just gotta LOVE the mercenaries mode on RE4... cant get enough football kicks from Hunk! woot...
btw, i was referring to your post, darth, as you said PS2 is kiddy... but its not, same as for GCN, they're not kiddy consoles. Its all aobout finding the gems in a corrupted generation of mediocre games...

 

Well,I just bought Dell m4400 with t9600 and xbox 360 and I think that this should be perfect work+gaming combo...will report when I get them!

 

Well we'll have to wait and see about FEAR 2. I mean Far Cry 2 felt very PC to me and it was developed as a multi platform title.

Sadly it seems a necessary evil. Without multiplatform sales it's difficult to keep the financiers convinced on a game's potential sales on PC alone. Ya it sucks. But hopefully PC versions of games keep getting better content and graphics than their console counterparts. Such as your example of Mirror's Edge.

I am pretty sure Nvidia's PhysX & CUDA runs on Geforce 8 and above GPUs.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/io_1227078291811.html

 

For someone like me who knows nowt about computers xbox is the way forward, i started playing games on the pc like bhd and cod but was always having grief with the pc so i went to xbox. But i must admit you cant beat playing a fps on mouse and keyboard.

My gamertag is gummybus if anyone wants to add me

 

lol, literally?

 

What did you do to that poor woman to drive her to such extreme behavior? Anyway, you must've had a lot of games, because I know they rip you off in those places. I could never bring myself to sell games to a gamestop - they give you less than half of what they sell it for, then turn around and mark it $5 cheaper than a new copy.

...anyway, back on topic - I love my 360 for playing games although it is loud as hell; it is one of the few bought on release day that is still churnin' away. Currently I am playing Table Tennis and getting everything unlocked finally... just wish there were more people to play online. I've also stuck to the 360 for GTAIV to avoid all of the pc headaches, plus I've played it so much that I've grown bored of it. IMO 360 is the best console so far but I'm planning on picking up a ps3 after the next price drop, although I'm in no hurry - I just want GT5 mostly. The only game I'm deep enough into to spend hours on at a time is FO3 for PC. To me it is a hugely engrossing game - I plan on a thorough playthrough over the next few months and can't wait to see the mods and patches that are coming for it.

 

I used to be WAY obsessed with PC gaming, but slowly the reliability for 360 games (not the 360 itself) and the lack of desire to constantly chase the "best" pc gear (besides the fact that my laptop was utterly un-upgradeable) has made me be a console only guy for everything but PC exclusives like the Total War games.

That said, I miss the chase (but my bank account sure doesn't!)

 

lol at trading games something i would never do i really just dont see the purpose of it if you bought a good game with your money you wouldn't have to trade it in.