INTEL VS AMD

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel...ry-24-higher-than-the-i7-10750H.516499.0.html


Sorry - bit of a noob.

what the deal with AMD and Intel....?

Everything I have read suggested AMD Ryzen chipsets are cheaper and outperform Intel processors....


So what the catch? And should I be aiming to get an AMD gaming laptop opposed to an Intel???

 

Right now AMD has the better processor. its got Gen4 pcie, better single core performance, and better multithread performance.

 

Some of the intel CPUs are equalling them in single core, but it's pretty much irrelevant for modern gaming that likes at least 6c/12t.

 

Yea, I'm pretty sure those are the tigerlake variants. the 11th gen. Those tilt it back into INTEL's favor...and surprisingly have better GPU with the Xe graphics.

They gotta haul the H sku's ass out the door sooner than later though. lol

 

I think they underutilized the i7-10710U (6c/12t).. I think most companies didn't want it because it didn't use Xe/Iris, but it would have been perfect for me. The selection of laptops using it was so low though. I was a little upset when the 2021 Gram was just 1165G7 and there was no 6c/12t 15W part. Sure it's finally respectably better than the 8565U.. but not enough. I'm still baffled why the new 35W H parts are still 4c/8t.

 

From what I understand, its the largest they can make without blowing up the die. because they cant seem to make enough to fill up the next tier up. though we should be seeing stuff in march or soo at the turn of the quarter.

I'm waiting to see how the tigerlake/zen3 rumble goes down.

 

They're not cheaper anymore, but right at this moment Ryzen is on a better fab and out core and out perform Intel's lineup.
If you need a system right now and you aren't big into overclocking, Ryzen is the easy choice.

I'm gathering parts right now to build out a SFF for my brother and Ryzen was an easy choice. The only problem is finding particular chips in stock.

As for laptops, the 5000 series mobile chips are the clear winner right now. If I was shopping for a laptop, it would be one of those but you need to define your criteria what you're looking for in a laptop specifically and then see what laptops apply.

 

What is overclocking??

What does that actually mean? Is that some switch you can set you computer too? It doesn’t sound healthy? Lol

 

Mobile Zen 3 is still PCI-E 3.0 because AMD felt notebook users don't have a need for 4.0 yet.

 

Overclocking is the act of pushing your computer's CPU run faster than it's rated to. You can do this to get more performance out of your machine.

It's quite fun to push your machine to it's limits. I got sucked into overclocking 6 years ago, and have been enjoying it ever since. It's perfectly safe if you know what you're doing.

 

Looking like single is decent at this point...

 

If you know what you’re doing!

I wouldn’t therefore feel confident to push my computer to its limits...


I wouldn't want to break anything! Lol

 

If you're new to overclocking or haven't done it before, you'll be fine messing around with the CPU multipliers as long as you don't overvolt the CPU. That's pretty much how I started learning how to overclock. The worst thing that will happen in that scenario is that your system crashes and shuts off, then restarts (without any damage). There's no risk of damage when you overclock without overvolting since computers have safeguards that will prevent damage.

You don't have to overclock, it's just something that a lot of us on these forums find fun. It's better to have a system that works very well out of the box than to have to overclock a system's CPU to get it to work well. The best systems run well out of the box and can overclock very well, thus yielding a lot of additional performance.

If your system already works well for you and you have no desire to overclock, then that's great! No reason to fix something that ain't broken . It can be pretty fun though if you're really into computers, and the people on these forums will be happy to guide you!

 

Just gonna snip this out, A lot of people also use those same tools to run the voltage lean on their laptops in order to lower temps and even pump out a little more performance.

 

Well said; undervolting is a great way to get thermals in check and for hot running laptops probably a more valuable tool.

 

i know alot of you undervolt and overclock.

but with the last three laptops undevolting by over 100mv did nothing for temps

would be nice to know how you guys do it

 

IIRC intel took steps to block undervolting, OC etc from the apps. mine stopped working after an update from windows and I just left it because i had more pressing things to do.

 

I didn't do anything special, I'm 100 under, that's as far as I could go without random errors. I cant even remember how much I overclocked but it wasn't too much. I went from 90 on the temps down to mid 70s and put in a little overclock until I got it back to about 90. Nowadays that's up to about 91, 92, I suspect I need to pop it open and get the dust out. It's a two year old laptop now, I did this back then and have remained there since. The only thing that comes to mind is I never update throttlestop or overdrive, not sure if that matters.

 

Plundervolt protections.

 

Not sure, I set mine up, forgot about it until one day it didnt work.

That would explain it. ah well, thinking about an HK sku or a ryzen on my next laptop. hopefully I can feel out a Good UV and set it in BIOS.......though tigerlake is looking to be a crapshow with no unlocked announced as of yet.

 

And they are rare and difficult to obtain if you want something better than the 8 core Ryzen 5800X. http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scale-on-laptops.834039/page-69#post-11073971

And when AMD finally can find some chips to hand over to the OEMs.... We will see the new Tiger Jokes out at same time https://videocardz.com/newz/xmg-expects-intel-tiger-lake-h-8-core-to-launch-in-late-q2

Be sure you use the right tool. Not so fun for people that don't know how to jump of a No post boot loop due too low voltage for the clock speed

Be sure you do your due dilligence. Dell etc think Plundervolt ain't so scary if you have an unlocked chips

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scale-on-laptops.834039/page-62#post-11073645

A lot of nice reading for the folks Maybe enjoy it in coming weekend.
BLACK LIST. Adjustable voltage control/turbo ratio limits are locked out

 

Early adopters are already getting their laptops, I'm talking actual consumers. That said you're not necessarily wrong, once the initial stock is spent it remains to be seen when or if restock will be available.

As to your second point why not explain how rather than just trying to scare the uninformed? I recognize you're busy trying to push your agenda but you have knowledge and skills which could instead be used to do something more productive. Or... perhaps I'm wrong and you have nothing to contribute outside of haughty derision?

 

You mean the the post above? I added in a link on how things can be screwed up. I can't remember how many that had to replace MB before people could find a fix to reset a bad overclock. Too low voltage vs your overclock (raised multi) just means that you risk NO POST. Aka you can't boot into bios or windows. Some models as I showed in the link above is more difficult to reset NVRAM. In worst case you'll need a new MB.

ThrottleStop is a good tool for overclocking. No settings will be stuck in bios. Aka easier to delete settings that don't work. There is a few who can't reset bios if they used XTU or settings that don't worked well in Bios.

Sorry if you don't understand my not the best English. My post wasn't meant to try to scare the uninformed. Only as a heads up.

 

I recognize you're not a native speaker. I've traveled extensively and understand that misunderstandings means nothing in terms of the skills and knowledge of the person who was working in a second language; you have to sort that out in the ongoing communication. To support this point the woman who lies next to me is from a foreign country; I have learned her language and she, mine.

What I'm asking:: Could what you know be used to a more productive end? You're clearly well read in this area and are in a position to help people who are in the market now. If you need to buy today you need answers. You could help. Or not.

 

Oh, yes MSI GE66 is already up for grabs, similarly m15 R4 - shipping in just 10 - 30 days. Availability is availability. It's a no-brainer, just ordered 4 for the family. Best money ever spent, right?

 

Looking deeper intel has better idle power consumption, iGPU, and has Thunderbolt 3 enabling eGPU connection. So basically AMD would be better for high end DTRs, ideally with modular graphics, Intel is probably the better option for lighter, portable notebooks.

 

I understand 4 languages included my main language. And its more difficult to learn it much better when you have become an older man. Lack of time will also come into this. Thats it.

I posted my best guesses. AMD struggle with demand and Intel will come out with new chips early summer and coming fall/winter. And I posted links. It's a hard time for gamers and pc enthusiasts now. A big shortage of parts + inflated prices if you want hardware from newest tech. A lot is written about it on the web. A fast search on the web can confirm this.

What I would do... Wait it out and see whats pop up. In within not so many months we will see DDR5, PCIe-5, Intel finally out with new chips... In short totally new tech vs what we have had the last half decade. If you need hardware now then expect you won't get everything you want the first weeks.

And be you sure. I try as good I can to help people Giveaway - Rockit Cool Delid & Relid kit for Intel 6th/7th/8th Gen CPU's

 

I'm lucky enough to have a number of grandchildren, I get it; being old isn't pretty. Congrats on your language skills; I'm still not entirely sure I completely understand Mrs Krab when it comes to the finer details.

I myself started building PCs quite a while back and it became a business. Small though, I was pulling in 5 to 10k a month and somewhere in there had started to question whether I should make my hobby my day job. I didn't do it. In hindsight my mom and pop PC building businesses probably wouldn't have done better than most and eventually failed. At this point I'm old enough to have stopped caring, I made my choices back then and in the course of time arrived here.

Am I super skilled, need no help whatsoever? Hate to say it, but no, I've tried to keep up and probably done better than average but I could use help. I'd like to define what is here now, what is coming, and where and when I should buy in. Nvidia deserves every slap upside the head it gets but that doesn't help me move forward. It does not give me the information I need to make an informed decision. You, and others here could help with that.

I'm sorry. I'm too old to tilt at windmills, my interest is not in giving scumbags the hate they deserve, I'd like to define where or what I should buy if anything at all.

 

When it comes to gaming performance, according to Jarrod's Tech - Intel wins all day:

 

very interesting, I was under the impression that AMD was quite a bit faster in gaming...good too know thanks and rep

 

The mobile Ryzens are only winning the productivity battle. I thought that JT comparison had been posted here before, or I would've share it when it came out.

 

That user was spamming the forum in order to get to the posting requirement to sell in the marketplace.

 

Yeah. It didn’t take long. Within 2 min after last needed post http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...rtx-2080-max-q-500gb-ssd-144-hz-panel.835837/

 

thats too bad i thought he was genuinely just trying to help......i just don't trust him now

 

Good to know because the video was posted in the Ampere thread and i was going to repeat what i said about the video.

 

Never mind...