Impressed With Ati X200m

Hi i have a Toshiba Satellite Pro A100 and jst wanna say how impressed i am with the X200M that it came with. I know its only an integrated Gpu and nothing compared to the latest Gpu's but overall iv been impressed with its performance considering that it wasnt even designed for gaming!
I can play older Open GL games like MOH Allied Assault at Max settings. Even Alien vs Predator2 can be played at max settings PERFECTLY and other such quite demanding games!. Even Far Cry can play smoothly at Med-High settings and all this is considering that i have only the shared memory version of the x200!
Need For Speed Most Wanted plays also plays very well at medium settings at 800x600 res! And thats a very new title!
I will admit that you need to have 1Gb of Ram at least to get these results but considering that my laptop only cost €600, i am very impressed that it is such a capable gamer!

 

Try Heroes V and see if you can play it. Further, try connecting the laptop to an external 17'' TFT monitor - awful resolution.
The card is good for an integrated chip but it has some wierd restrictions, like the one with the external monitor and Open GL games

 

Yeah I loved mine, but now on a x1600 I wont go back. All in all played all the games I wanted to play.

 

well i am going to say it again that i am impressed with it to. Yesterday i played HL2 on medium detail on 800x600 never dropped below 27fps i thought that was amzing for a x200 and it normally stayed up in the 35 fps so i would say it is good enough for the casual gamer now if only it could get some new drivers

 

Download CPU-Z and make sure your system doesn't have the SB400 southbridge chip. If it does, send your system bad. It's a terrible USB controller that causes all kinds of speed and power problems. I know from experience

 

What drivers do you have??? Coz im looking to upgrade from my standard drivers...

And VASSIL.. I Wont be hooking my laptop up to any external monitor and i know the x200 is limited but its far better than people make it out to be and alot better than i expected from a Gpu that doesnt even have its own memory! IM jst simply surprised that it ca run a demanding game like Far Cry but i know that it wont do any better than that..

I wonder what the Geforce 6150 Go is like in comparison... Iv heard that it benchmarks at around the same score as the X200 but i wonder how it compares in real world performance.........

 

Wow that's really good for an integrated chip, much better that an intel!!.

 

Don't compare intel integrated i.e GMA900 or Extreme Graphics2 to ATi integrated solution(x200) Intel integrated is very awful card and cant beat ATi card even in dream

 

so ... ati 200m cards are really that good, eh ?! ... well, i've read many reviews and forums that ati 200m sucks for 3d bussiness.

yeah, i know ati 200m can play some 3d games in low settings ... but can it handle 3d works like autocad 3d or 3ds max ? have you ever tried it ?

i am just curious of this matter as many people say that the 3d softwares can't be handled using integrated graphics cards.

 

Well 3d business software is different than games. It may do ok in games, but not 3d apps. Thats why u see regular gaming cards, and workstation versions of the same card. The WS version is usually more capable of doin 3d apps stuff, and do less in games than their gaming counterpart.

 

In respect to the overall picture they do. But as far as integrated goes the 200m cant be beat.

 

Used a 6150 before? Same fps in HL2 and a 5fps difference in favour of the nVidia in Doom 3. Plus it supports SM3.0 fwiw, and can do high def video. The 200M is not the best, but its close.

 

U should download the latest catalyst 6.7 driver update. I have the same ATI IGP card as u and am just as pleased with its performance.

I hear that the GeForce 6150 is slightly better (it has pixel shader 3 but cant really utilize it).

I played Halo at highest settings; it was a bit choppy, but otherwise looked great.

Im gonna try out BFMEII
Lol hope it works!

 

hey tell me how that goes

 

I've actually been impressed by the X200 before, too, but the GeForce 6150 knocks my socks off.

As far as IGPs go, the X200 and 6150 really are outstanding bits of hardware. I'd be amazed if they performed half as good as they do, but the fact that the 6150 runs Doom 3 very playably just boggles my mind.

 

i just tried the demo for bfme II and had no problem at all playing in on medium i played it on high for about 15 min then went to bed i really didn't get a chance to get into it

 

Nix, Lost, how much RAM do you have? Isn't BFMEII supposed to be tougher than BF2, which I was not able to play well on the dedicated version of x200?

 

i only have 1 gig of ram. i am not for sure but i think i have the dedicated 32mb one but you should d/l the demo from EA and try it on yours ... RTS are supposed to be less demanding then fps so i don't really know about BF2 but i will say that on CC Generals looks better on high quality then bfmeII does on medium and the x200 can push generals no problem

 

To echo what Vassil said, there are terrible OpenGL problems with the x200. Are you sure you have the shared version?

I could only get openGL Games - even really old ones that should run on 16mb cards - to run at 20FPS max, even on lowest settings. Some openGL games, even old ones, ran at as low as 5FPS.

Running D3d games was fine, even new ones like BF2 as you've mentioned. Your post would lead someone to think that it was a problem only with my laptop, but I trawled the net and found many people with the same openGL problems as me, even with different models and brands of laptops, but all with the shared x200m....Vassil here was one of them.

Glad to see its working for you though.

 

I could not believe it!

FEAR is considered one of the most demanding games available and my friend has it and is always telling me how great it is on his desktop and how if only i had a decent graphics card on my laptop. i would be able to play it...

So i asked him to give me a lend of it to see jst how "badly it played" on my X200M..

I literally cant believe that it can actually not only play the game BUT it plays it with a fair amount of the eye candy turned on! The gameplay is PERFECT and there is NO lag. Totally smooth! The X200 jst keeps impressing! I have the lighting effects,special effects, world physics, and others i cant remember at medium settings! Fair enough i had to play it at a low res but fact is that i can enjoy it to such a level that im going to go out and buy it!

 

I also have 1 gig of memory, but not the dedicated 32MB graphics with the 200M. I usually play BFMEII on medium settings, but even on high settings, the game is playable (plus it looks absolutely gorgeous). Yes, RTS games are, for the most part, less demanding than FPS such as BF2. But, they still require pretty good graphics to display the great visuals and enourmous armies.

I am very impressed with this integrated graphics solution.
I wish I could try out the nVIDIA 6150, and compare its performance withe ATI's X200M.

 

Just a little curious: How much FPS did you get? You could use FRAPS to determine this.

Your case is quite amazing if true.

 

Il try it out now... All i know at the moment is that it was completely so i was guessing that it was around 30fps.. but i will check

 

Check my new post with pics i included of FEAR at the settings i play it at..
The game runs perfectly smooth at around 25-35fps and as you can see from the pics iv posted in a separate post, i did not have the game at min levels.. ALso i recorded a video using Fraps which i can send to u if you want as this site wont let me put it up. When i was recording the fps suffered and the average went to about 18-27fps but u can see from the vid that it still looks smooth! And keep in mind that the game runs far smoother without Fraps recording..

 

ATi makes the best intergrated card. Good thing you didn't go with an Intel GPU computer. You would hate it XD

 

this ati x200m has made futher confusion to me

first, ati x200m cards are integrated GPU, but i just read that an ati x200m actually has it's own memory. then my question is : how much is it ? do you have any info about this ?

second, also many reviews explain that ati x200m performance depends on system memory (RAM), it can be 32MB, 64MB, or 128MB. how much RAM does this card need to achieve 32MB, 64 MB, or 128 MB performance ? anyway, how do we set it to 64 MB from 32 MB for example ?

Third, if this card can really achieve 64/128MB performance, that means this card is as good as, say, an ATI radeon 9600 64/128MB, is that right ? or i've been mistaken ?

allright, who's gonna answer this mess ???

 

Some versions of the 200M use dedicated memory, best to check the particular model.

Also, you can apply 1/4 of your system RAM to graphics with the 200M, so you need 512 to allocate 128MB.

And no, I would not say it is as good as a 9600, as the 9600 has its own memory, access times are much faster, and it pushes data at a faster rate.

 

Yea Same here, I downloaded The F.E.A.R. demo on my computer which also has a x200m and IT RUNS PREFECT! Now I think I'm ready to test out oblivion and see how that runs . Hopefully I should have better results because I'm getting 2GB of RAM and Oblivion on my B-Day

 

A 9600 is more powerful then an X200.

 

Gaming on the x200m?!?!?! Yes the x200m can play games. Dont listen to all those people with good graphic cards that hate on the x200m. If your not looking to play games on Ultimately high settings the x200m is right for you. My computer saved me alot of money to buy other things than an expensive computer and I dont regret it. I love my x200m right now and I am suprised at what it is able to play.

 

hi filipinocrzy have you tried your x200m on medieval 2 total war?? pls let me know if it works decently/flawlessly even if it is at its lowest settings ^^..thanks ^^..i only have till the end of summer to decide T_T..time's running out for me T_T..me top choice is the ECSW341 priced at Php 30,995.00 at PCevotech Manila..

 

I wouldn't put too much faith in the 200m on Oblivion. Pulp ran a pretty good article about trying to do that on a nVidia 6150 (similarly powered IGP), and the results were not promising.

 

WOOOHOOO X200M BABY, ive never tested it out yet, Laptops at Hp getting mended....

 

What were the settings and what FPS were you getting? Also, do you know how the 6150 compares to the low end dedicated cards like the go 7200/7300?

 

Wanted to throw my 2 cents in, I have a Radeon Express 1150. It is reported as a X200m because at its most basic it is, so is Radeon Express 1100. Core Speeds of the 3 X200m=350MHZ 1100=300MHZ 1150=400MHZ.I know never say never but X200m has no on board memory never did X300 does, maybe some faulty X300 were packaged as X200m by some OEM. Ok so all three are basically versions of X200, the 1100 and 1150 while they don't have on board memory(discrete) they do infact have dedicated memory they reserve certain area of system memory. This is why 1100 out performs X200m even with slower clock 300 vs. 350. I was sold 128MB card but actually 256MB dedicated is possible and actual reported is twice that up to 512. I will suggest not maxing out settings because card cannot utilize 512MB and with bottlenecks will slowdown trying to address that much. I run UMA 128 Windows and ATI Catalyst reports it as 256MB I should test at 64MB to report 128MB. So that is the X200m story, your core clock speed is how you tell what you have.

Can not play Oblivion even at low settings but can do enough gaming to make me happy and saved a lot of money.

Gateway MX6453, Turion 1.6Ghz TL-52 1 MB L2, 2GB's RAM, 160 GB's HHD @5400, ATI Radeon Express 1150. $800 at Best Buy 11/06

 

The 200M is an integrated part. Yes it based of the same core and x300. The decision to include any built in memory is left up the manufacturer. A lot of HP's have 200M with built in memory - this is not a mislabled x300.

When are talking about dedicated memory, this is not adjustable. If its adjustable, then you are taking from system memory. This isn't necessarily a bad think -you just have to recognize it for what it is.

I've long been a fan of both ATI's and Nvidia's integrated GPU's. They are way ahead of the intel GMA parts. It's just hard to find ATI or Nvidia integrated GPU's with Intel CPU's (a big advantage for AMD).

By the way did anyone realize this thread was from last year?

 

Want to clarify, in my previous post I tried to differentiate between dedicated and discrete. In the past they were the same, not any more. Discrete is on board VRAM always the best. Now because of ATI there is shared system memory that is dedicated. ATI's theory is, as bad as system memory is it is better if dedicated to a specific portion than forcing the card to search all the RAM all the time, in my case I have 2GB's I could actually possibly suffer a performance hit vs. a 1GB system if not dedicated (twice the memory to address). Oh and yes depending on what I set the card memory at shows up on windows either as a loss or gain of system memory. So I am I believe correct. Also I am not a trained computer scientist so my knowledge has many gaps. Also all you X200m guys look in Windows or catalyst and find your core speed you my infact have a upgrade, also if you thought you bought an 1150 and it says 200m don't panic, I did, just check core speed if 400Mhz you did get what you paid for. 1150 arguably the best IGC out there definitely for AMD hands down. Better than 6100/6150 no doubt about.

Previous post, with on board memory, is that not what separates Integrated. Ergo discrete memory not Integrated Graphics, I admit I do not have the training to challenge but something seems off. Also is comment about age of post directed at our commitment or obsessiveness with this subject just curious!

 

man...
so conclusion??

 

You are correct that discrete vs. system memory is not what makes the difference in between a discrete vs. integrated GPU. The ATI 200m (which I'm using right now) is strictly an integrated GPU. But it does sometimes have discrete memory.

I'm not saying this isn't a good topic to discuss, but why reserect such an old thread? Some of the imformation on the first few pages is really dated. (i.e. now there are even better IGP's than the 200M). I'm not saying we shouldn't discuss it, just don't expect a reply from someone that posted almost a year ago.