Intel HD graphics...I'M going to cry

Fast forward few months, the integrated graphics has to be the worst thing Intel has forced on us. My Sager NP9150 runs fine but the constant ramp up of the CPU fan and always on when even using NVIDIA during gaming is really annoying and also it does affect the gameplay and those of you that say it doesn't then I want what your smoking. (laughing) Anyways the Intel HD graphics will not let any video program run HD videos on the discrete GPU because probably the slow start to adapting to the integrated graphics with updates and such. Intel just not HD video playing so I don't understand why they have that even in their name brand for their CPU's. When not using the laptop its great the CPU fan shuts down and is completely silent until say I launch something CPU intensive. So what I'm what saying is I think it was too early to start putting this into GAMING laptop. Its just Intels scheme to gain money by oh got to upgrade next year like all the other hardware companies is kind of getting annoying.

Should I cut my losses with my sager NP9150 and order up a Asus without the integrated graphics before they sell out?!

IF I got the NP9570 the phat laptop with the desktop CPU.. from my understand you can disable Intel HD graphics through the BIOS on a desktop GPU but this info is unknown on the newly released sager NP9570. OH MAN ANOTHER Question! If I did get the NP9570 will the 2nd Generation Intel® Core™ i7-3930K Processor come with the integrated memory controller enabled instead of onboard that probably comes with the laptop?

Instead of Intel HD should be Intel HD (Heart disease) HAHAHAHA

 

I don't think you understand how switchable graphics work...

 

I do understand what switch able graphics do. I don't think you get what I'm talking about here. Its integrated Intel HD graphics with the discrete NVIDIA gpu INTEGRATED to the stupid Intel HD graphics yes it switches with SOME PROGRAMS and you can choose to use discrete gpu but for the most part a lot of programs do not have the option to switch over to the discrete GPU like I already said due to the lack of you not reading probably. say like iTunes cyberlink media etc.
I dont think you experienced on how the two graphics option actually plays out instead of reading it on the net. Also I can make a youtube and show you extactly what im talking about but then again I probably buy a new laptop by then

 

You don't need a discreet GPU to run programs like these.

 

maybe you have something not working properly as mine is fine.
optimus and HD4000 is used for majority of things to save on battery life. as soon as the dedicated card is needed it kicks in automatically.
my HD4000 plays HD videos at the highest settings just fine.
you do know you can change settings in the nvidia control panel so certain things will use the dedicated card.

 

I've ran windows 7 and windows 8 and all available drivers for each OS.

woooah okay so the CPU has to be at full load for it to display full HD I see now. how annoying got to have my external speakers half volume to even hear the audio because the loud fan going at almost full speed. lol so you watch HD movies in full screen mode with your cpu only at idle lol I highly doubt that.

 

CPU doesn't work that hard to display HD video. Intel Atom and AMD C-series their lowest end CPU's can manage it.

You can also manually add a program to select which GPU to use. Although you gain nothing by setting a program to use the GPU that doesn't display 3D.

Also sounds like a temperature issue if your fans are constantly ramping up with minor tasks.

 

Like I said, you don't understand how it works.

 

No, it doesn't have to be at full load to display full HD.

 

not sure if this is the problem your having but:
if youve done something demanding which will of course ramp the fans up and then do something which uses the HD4000 but the fans are still rampt up then this is a problem a lot of us have.
simple solution is to open something like nvidia inspector/msi afterburner/any futuremark software and then close it the fans will stop and go back to normal mode.

 

you guys (sager) really cannot disable iGPU from BIOS?? (omg, I won't buy sager, period)

even in that case, you just go to nvidia control panel, choose discrete gpu for the executable of whatever program you wanna run (or if you are lazy, you right click the program and select run with high performance graphics card) and then you are all set.. still, you shouldn't have any problems with the fans while watching movies / browsing the internet, unless you have crazy hearing skills or your pc have a problem.

 

I would agree with others the OP doesn't quite understand switchable graphics.

But I would also agree with OP, forced integrated graphics is junk for gaming laptops. It does have an effect on performance and it does limit you to what the integrated graphics can output, even for HDMI. But I don't think OP gets why Intel did it. Intel did it to cut out Nvidia and AMD on any notebook not gaming or workstation, to have a monopoly on GPU on all mid-range, ultrabook, ultraportable notebooks.

And yes maxheap Sager does have it. And more than likely, Asus will too this year, so will Alienware, MSI and everyone else. It will be a surprise if someone doesn't do it. But if they don't, go with them then. The only way Sager etc will change is if you decide with your wallet.

 

I don't understand the point of contention. How does integrated graphics affect performance or limit what you can output?

 

Because everything has to go through the integrated graphics, the output. That means both the iGPU and dGPU have to share the same bandwidth. It also means your output is limited by what iGPU can output. So no 3D games, no 3D movies, whatever limitations iGPU has for output, dGPU has. And overall, there is a hit on performance on dGPU. And also makes it very difficult to get things to work, for example if you are doing CAD work, it's a pain to get it to recognize the dGPU, for some, you can't. Overall, it's a real pain in the butt. I think every system should have the option to run it on dGPU or iGPU, and not have it ONLY auto.

And in 3D mode, the iGPU does not completely shut down. It's still running the AA, AF and vSync settings. So it's real pain in the butt, there is no way to keep the iGPU off, it's ALWAYS ON. I know this because I've messed with the iGPU 3D settings and they work, when you are playing games, it's never off, it's always on and it's always holding back the dGPU.

If I was to get another gaming laptop, I'd 100% get something that doesn't have muxless switchable graphics.

 

iGPU and dGPU don't share the same bandwidth. The iGPU only relays the image from the DGPU to the display device. So all it has to do is output 1920x1080 (res) x32 (bit depth) x4 (buffer) ~ 253 KB/frame + any AA applied (so 60fps = 253KB*60 ~ 15MB/sec) . But it will limit things like 3D.

Alienware did it right, Clevo opted to mux video through the IGP only. That bit them in the butt when it came to Enduro especially, otherwise I don't see it as a limiting factor unless you want 3D, but then you have other laptop options for that.

 

This. Alienware made the right choice with the M17x, I don't see them changing next year as Zymphad suggested. If they're smart, Clevo will adopt a similar design.

 

What was told is that clevo just followed whatever intel referenced and poof, that was a old discussion though.

 

Have you tried right click the program and telling to run using the discrete graphics?