Is this graphics card good?

nVidia GeForce GTX 560M 1,536MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11 looking to buy this with a msi computer for about 1300. Can it handle mid-high gaming? also for the price does it make sense, it's supposed to be a gaming laptop.

Thanks

 

please for the love of all, wait for a couple months, if you cannot wait go msi 16F2 with 570m for less than 1k bucks, much better..

 

LOL

qft. +1

 

No wait for the gtx660m then enjoy efficient performance great battery life thin form factors with 22nm ivy bridge and 28nm kepler. 3 and a half weeks till mass release.

 

This is all well and good being told to wait for the greater good but you can strike off that 1k price mark that you are talking about Kepler and Ivy come with bells and whistles and a price tag to make a kitten cry.

Either you pick up the last of the SB and 5 series stock for the lowest price now new or get something used until the 2nd refresh of Ivy hits sometime late 12 early 13 just as the SB did, if the SB refresh was anything to go on the 2760QM that I have tickles the 2920XM so it would be worth waiting.

 

I don't have much expierence with the ivystep or whatever it's called so I'm not sure what to do about the laptop. I know it won't be able to buy it for another month and a half so if I wait will the price of older models come down? Obviously the new ones would be expensive with new grphic chips and everything. Any advice would help here.

 

Looked more into the msi 16f2 - with 105 for the os, 72 dollars for i7, and 75 for the same ram as the others it comes out almost the same price. Is the graphics card an improvment by just a little or a lot?

 

The only reason to wait for the 660m is if you want a laptop with a smaller chassis. If you want a dedicated gaming laptop that can run pretty much every game available on Ultra settings at 1080p, you will be better off with the more powerful 570m/580m.

 

Roughly 15%.

The Force 16F2 I suggested originally is still your best bet

And no reason to go over 8gb of RAM.

 

Alright i'll look into both of them more but I have another question, when the new ivy bridge come out will everyone be selling the new processors or will you have to pay more for them? thanks

 

Regarding the 560m vs the 570m...Without a doubt, go with the 570m. It is a large improvement over the 560m. The 560m can probably run medium settings at 1080p on most games while the 570m can run Ultra settings at 1080p.

Here is the MSI barebones set up I got from Gentech PC 3 months ago for about $1300. It is a MSI 1761. Here is the link. http://www.gentechpc.com/system_dept.asp?dept_id=SD-016

17" 1080p Glossy display (upgrade)
Core i7 2670 (upgrade)
GTX 570m
16gb DDR3 1600
750gb 7200rpm HDD
6X BluRay Player
Bigfoot Wireless n1103 w/ 3 antennas (Best wireless card for gaming)
Steelseries back-lit keyboard (the one that you can change the color of the LED's.)
Windows 7 Home Premium


I highly suggest taking a look at Gentech PC. They are highly regarded as one of the best MSI/Sager re-sellers around here. The main guy over there posts in the MSI forums all of the time. Once you talk to him, it becomes apparent his customer service is top notch.



Regarding your question about waiting for Ivy Bridge CPU's. I do not think it's worth it. The biggest upgrade with Ivy bridge is on the GPU side of things and if your laptop has a dedicated GPU, it is a pointless upgrade. Ivy Bridge will use less power but your going to need to be plugged in while gaming anyway. The 570m is a powerful GPU and will not run on battery power.

 

You will be able to play all games on this 570 without problem.I have gtx460m and no problems.Games like Crysis 1 and 2 or BF3 run on mid settings at 40fps.

 

Thinner form factors?
Lol...
That would be interesting to see... especially when Acer managed to mess things up with cooling the GT 640M which apparently reached extremely high temperatures of over 90 degrees with an ultraportable laptop (and an IB cpu to boot).

It's possible that both IB and Kepler inherently produce more heat while consuming less power because of the amount of transistors involved.
That, or it's analogous to the stepping issue that Intel had with Extreme cpu's.
The C stepping CPU's were far cooler than their non C stepping brothers inspite of the same TDP and power draw.
Or it's also possible that Acer simply messed up the cooling and nothing more.

Either way, we won't know entirely until we have them readily for testing.

But I have to agree that it's very likely how Kepler and IB will be severely overpriced while offering mainly same performance at lower power levels.
Ultimately, one can just as easily undervolt the high end Nvidia 5xx mobile gpu's at stock clocks and produce a lower power draw along with lower temperatures (it wouldn't be the same efficiency-wise as Kepler, but it would still be a pretty good gain on all rounds).

 

Regarding the difference between a fully tweaked/OC'd 560m and a 570m...

15% is false...

It is more like 30-40% assuming you flash the 570m.

The 560m gets around 11k in Vantage even well OC'd.

The 570m can get well over 15k and then some.

The 570m is substantially more hardware.
75% more shaders and 20% more memory bandwidth stock.

 

Here is a review of the Samsung Q470 with the higher clocked GT 650M. It is also a ultrabook. I think Acer had some pretty bad design...
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Says that the Ultrabook must not be used on your lap? What good is a Ultrabook if you can't use it on your lap?

 

are u going to be gaming with the ubook on ur lap ?

 

They try to give you the usual advice, that you shouldn`t cover the holes. Avoid soft surface, like bed I`ve heard about before, but never that you should avoid using it on the lap

 

lol maybe the warnings have changed nowadays but my crappy laptop had the warning not to use on my lap for extended use. They are probably advising not to use on lap when gaming

 

Yeah not impossible. I think any laptop should "support" that although I see your point that very few actually game with the notebook on their lap. Must be extremely uncomfortable

 

Depends what game I'm playing. I wouldn't want to play a FPS on my lap due to the need of fast reflexes but I see no problem playing a RPG like Diablo 3 on my lap while using my mouse on the sofa space next to me. Hell, I'd even play Diablo 3 in bed.

I was actually waiting on a Ultra book with a dedicated video card for this exact purpose.

 

thats true. well i guess im just the optimistic

 

you won't be able to use ivy cpus bro, sorry requires chipset 75.. but i7 2920xm's are really cheap nowadays, I just grabbed mine from ebay, and you can OC it to 4GHz easily (there is a well known guide of widezu )

 

How hot does 2920XM get when overclocking it graz?

 

I'm looking at 2 different laptops, both MSI with i7 processor. THe only difference between the 2 is the graphics card and their is a 100 dollar difference.

The one graphics card is the nVidia GeForce GTX 560M 1,536MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11 - this one is 100 dollars less than nVidia GeForce GTX 570M 1,536MB PCI-Express GDDR5 DX11. Is it worth the extra 100 dollars?

Anything will help, thanks. and if you need any more info just ask

Edit: I'll be doing more mid-high gaming. Like playing new games but not the highest setting, just not the least and I want it to last for at least a while. Though I want to try to cut out some moeny so whats the difference and is it worth it?

 

Yes.

Your question has been answered before. The 570m is worth the upgrade.
edit: answered here

 

Threads have been merged.

 

Also thanks everyone on the input with the graphics card. I'll probally go witht the 570

Also someone mentioned flashing the graphics card would make it better - hwat does that mean?

Edit: and sorry about asking it twice, just looking for more input.

 

You do realise what you are basically doing is like buying a car that is a 2011 car when the new model new shape 2012 car will not only be faster more fuel efficient or power consumption in the computing world and weighs less in both car and computing world and new technologies like usb 3 standard and dirext x 11.1 possible.

Your choice but cosidering you can preorder basically the new machines now it makes no sense using a computer that is outdated. The new models will be future proof while yours a high end card will now be a midrange card in the new generation.

 

I would buy the new models when they came out, but the price will of course be much more expensive and future proof? How will they be future proof - the model after that one will blow away the 'future proof' notebook.

Plus I'm trying to get one soon, and they won't be coming out fow months.

 

This is the first advancement in mobile since the start of 2010 really in cpu and gpu. It will take until probably 2014 or 2015 until a new replacement in terms of manufacturing leap comes.

Put it in simple terms your laptop let say takes 180w, the laptops coming out within a month will perform the same at about 100w power consumption have lower idles longer battery life, better integrated graphics and be thin and light and portable vs the heavier laptops you are looking at.

 

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Now this is old gen graphics card 40nm and new 3612qm cpu my dream cpu lol

 

Just get the 570m man. Don't wait for the 660m because it's not worth it unless you want a smaller chassis. The 570m is still more powerful than the 660m is. The only 6 series cards that will be faster than the 570m will be the 675m and the 680m. The performance of the 675m can be surpassed by the 570m by overclocking it. There will also be a premium price you will have to pay for the 675m and 680m.

At this point in time, there is nothing the 570m can't play on high/Ultra settings at 1080p. I also see nothing releasing anytime soon that will give the 570m any problems on high settings. You should get a good 2-3 yeas out of it.

 

The 660m has virtually te same performance as a 570m and takes half the power. Being 28nm will allow great battery life and 22nm cpu with trigate transistors will make it incredibly efficient. Also the weight of these laptops are like 3.4kg, ivy bridge and kepler will make it 2.5kg with better battery life.

 

No, it does not have virtually the same performance at all. On stock, it is around 25% faster. When both overclocked, the 570m can go much further thanks to the separated shader clocks, and stronger cuda cores. As games become more demanding, the 660m will yield faster than a 570m.

Also, the smaller the notebook, the lower end cooling system they use so temps can still be a concern if the vendors are stupid enough. Smaller notebooks also have smaller batteries even if they consume less power.

In the end, you get what you pay for. 570m costs more, has more sacrifice, has more potential and performance.

 

You have said this multiple times in multiple posts. You are spreading FUD and misinforming the readers of this forum. Not only is the 570m over 20% more powerful than the 660m but when both cards are overclocked, the 570m can becomes 30% more powerful. Yes, the 660m will require less power but you are not gaming on the battery alone. If you want to get the maximum performance out of the 660m, you will need to be tethered to a power outlet. The 660m will NOT be able to max game settings out at 1080p but the 570m can. The 660m is a fine option for portable mid grade gaming but you're going to need a 570m or above if you want decent performance at 1080.

By the way, please stop spreading these lies. Numerous people have already informed you that you're wrong. It's okay if you want the 660m because you would like something a little more portable but you need to know, it is not more powerful than the 570m. Please educate yourself on the matter.

 

I think the gtx660m could now be a 75w but i think it is more a 50w card as it is just a 650m oc'd.

GeForce GTX 660M - GeForce

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570M - Notebookcheck.net Tech

Looking at this and expected 3dmark11 scores there is not much difference. I doubt 192 bit makes much difference.