Ivy Bridge GPU

Ivy Bridge benchmarks: CPU boosted 5-15 percent, onboard GPU handles Skyrim -- Engadget

WOW! Sounds like we could have some decent gaming even on smaller notebooks! (@720p)

Full review HERE

 

CRAZY!? it beast gt 520m???? wow just wow

 

We have that already with Llano...

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...g-benchmarked-various-ram-configurations.html

Also HD 4000 desktop won't necessarily have the same performance as HD 4000 in notebooks. Although it should be a definite improvement over the HD 3000.

 

Shame IB was delayed. Trinity will out soon and AMD will pull ahead again. But the CPU performance in IB should blow Piledriver away, so I guess it evens out.

 

Ivy bridge will come out before Trinity. Ivy is out April, Trinity in June at the earliest.

 

Yeah, I guess it's what your needs are. Intel = powerful CPU, mediocre, low end iGPU, high cost / AMD = mediocre CPU, high performance iGPU, low cost.

Just hope they actually make some decent thin and light Trinity notebooks because the lack of 13-14" Llano notebooks doesn't help AMD's parade much.

 

given that the performance of the HD3000 in notebooks and desktops was quite the same, Im going to say that Im quite happy to wait for a mba right now. I will even think if its worth to buy a tb egpu

 

Yeah, it's better than HD3000 (duh)
But it's still extremely slow.
If you have to run crysis, a 2007 game on the lowest setting (not fullHD either) to get a playable framerate, 5 years after the release... well I don't know...

I know it's not made for extreme gaming, but the day I will buy non-discrete notebook/desktop GPU, they will have atleast to run the currentgen games on low, not the 5years old ones

What I want to say is, people who don't game will be fine with a HD3000 or even a HD2000.
If you want to game, even the HD4000 will not do it. (including CRAP drivers)

 

While IB definitely won't replace the dedicated GPU in my MSi GT780, it may drive me to purchase a Ultrabook. How long do you guys think it will be until we start seeing Ivy Bridge Ultrabooks?

 

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Crysis is the last game that you should be using as an example. It doesn't matter how old it is, it still cannot be fully maxed out with a single GPU.

 

Crysis is still very demanding. The HD 4000 is similar in performance to the mobile AMD Llano iGPU which can play Skyrim and BF3 just fine at 720p with medium detail. I wouldn't say it's a substitute for a discrete GPU, but in many cases, the ability to play games on occasion with a 13" would be nice.

 

I'm not very optimistic about Trinity. Given the Bulldozer vs Phenom II situation on desktops where power consumption and clock speeds are much higher, I have a feeling we're going to see an even greater downgrade in CPU performance on laptops when comparing Trinity to Llano.

There's a chance Piledriver might fix Bulldozer's performance issues, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

AMD Llano is still far out of reach.
Intel HD Graphics 3000 - Notebookcheck.net Tech

Crysis is just one game... even if you DOUBLE the HD3000 speed, it will still be hard to run these games on low with a decent framerate:
metro2033
mafia II
civilisation V
alanwake
the witcher2
GTA IV

It's good they made progress, but I think we still have to wait atleast one or two generations before they become decent enough for gaming on low/med settings

 

HD 3000 is current gen, and it sucks. HD 4000 is closer to 6620G and those numbers at notebookcheck are wrong, I can tell you that much. Civ V, Metro 2033, Witcher 2 all run fine on the 6620G @ 720p with mix of low/medium detail. I haven't posted benches yet, mainly because there are no fixed benches, well, except metro 2033. If I have the time I'll run some videos of the games with FPS showing.

See my thread for 6620G benchmarks... http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...g-benchmarked-various-ram-configurations.html

 

The Llano with an A8 would make a killer ultrabook setup.. (Or Tablet.. mmmmm)

 

And I still don't understand how or why they don't make 13" notebooks with the A8 APU's. It's 35W for a single chip with CPU and GPU integrated. They should easily be able to manage heat from that.

I'd love a solid 13" A8 notebook with a nice 1366x768 screen.

 

The benchmarks on the HD4000 almost make me want to wait and get a nice thin and light IvB notebook with integrated graphics. Almost.

I'm just not sure I can wait that long.

 

Bulldozer actually scales pretty well at lower clocks. It's when you OC that you really have to ramp up the voltages. I think at ~2.6-2.8ghz Trinity should be fine, but it's a shame that AMD doesn't have the same access to 22nm tech as Intel does.

 

The XPS 13 would be a great place to find one., but the i7-2637M in those is only 17w, which is incredible in its own.

 

Ivy Bridge may be the way to go, guess we'll have to wait and see. Either way I'm holding out for production Trinity laptops and thinbooks before I make a decision.

 

Even if it could reach your 6650G performance it's still slow considering its a 22nm part VS a 40nm part (and is about a year older).
AMD is also coming with a Llano refresh/sequel part by the time ivy bridge will be widely available

 

Llano is 32nm and Trinity is going to be 32nm as well.

 

which makes it still worse..

 

Most of the games released during 2010-2012 are better optimized and will run faster on lower end hardware.

Crysis is still used for a lot of benchmarks because it's more demanding than most modern games.

 

I don't know if I'd say "better optimized" - "optimized for ancient PS3/360 hardware" might be a better way to put it.

Crysis is more demanding than most modern games because it's one of the few games that targets powerful PCs rather than weak consoles.

 

And in its defense, 5 years after release, it still looks objectively better than maybe every game on the market, save maybe two or three.

So yeah, it's a demanding game, but justifies it.

 

And what makes it worse?

Are you saying Ivy Bridge is worse because it's 22nm vs 32nm yet still can't compete GPU-wise with AMD? That I agree with.

 

The only two games i have found with Better graphics than Crysis is FarCry 2 (Which is an incredible, incredible game) and Now Mass Effect 3 (the engine is something to behold, though more for the cinematics)

I think a lot of it boils down to the developer's roots. I find that older Dev Houses that were Primarily PC game makers, who ported to Console, deliver consistently better quality games. Yes.. there is a blending of teams and companies now, but those developers with the PC background seem to take a much more grandiose view of how a game should look and feel.