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    Just bought 3dmark vantage and i cant run it!

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Satyrion, Jun 27, 2010.

  1. Satyrion

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    It says minimum required resolution is not supported
     
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    I think it needs to be 1280x1024. You can try using an external monitor/TV.

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  3. MrDJ

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    if you are only getting 444 points and 6401 points in 3dmark06 then as far as i know you will have no chance of running vantage especially in the first laptop. the average 3dmark06 scores are 9000 upwards and the average vantage scores you see now adays are from P4000 upwards.
    as the toshiba has an ati card you might have luck with this one if you tweak the settings.
    open vantage and on left click options. the resolution drop down box gives you options from 1680x1050 down to 640x480
    as mentioned above the default is 1280x1024 so you wont be able to compare your readings with other people.
     
  4. Satyrion

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    i cant do as u say mrdj, i twont run no matter what i do cuz my native resolution is to low. Its not about getting a super score i just wanna try and comprare with others that has the same GPU and resolution as mine...
     
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    Isn't the 'Entry' preset at 1024x768?

    Most people use the 'Performance' or 'Extreme' preset though, so you won't be able to compare scores.
     
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    only other option is try for a refund.
     
  7. Lozz

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    what? no, most people use entry, it's the benchmarks default.

    :/ I would have checked the min sys requirements before I purchased a license.
     
  8. HTWingNut

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    If its your native resolution, then you need to hook it up to an external monitor that supports 1280x1024 or larger. That will take care of the problem.
     
  9. Satyrion

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    what a ridicolus software to make it unusaable for standard laptop 16:9 screens...

    Ohh well i guess i just gotta stick to 06 forever.
     
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    I agree, but don't you have an external monitor available somewhere?

    The thing is with 3DMark06 is standard resolution is 1280x1024, but it bumps down to a resolution that will fit on your screen, but resulting score can't be compared with others using standard resolution.

    I think they should make them all 1024x768 at least that would fit in pretty much any monitor or screen form factor (except the horrid 1024x600 in netbooks).
     
  11. Lozz

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    1024x768 is tiny when most monitors on desktops(and that's mostly where this stuff is used for)support 1600x1200 at the minimum, not mentioning it makes for a very poor resolution to bench stuff. 1280x1024 is resonable, if you cant meet the minimum requirements you probally shouldn't be running it. as someone else mentioned, even if you could force it, you wouldn't be able to compare your results to anyone elses score, unless of course they re-ran it at your resolution. which then defeates the purpose of system requirements for a benchmark.
     
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    It doesn't matter if the resolution is tiny or not, really. It's a benchmark, to compare performance of a certain aspect of a computer. It would make sense to run at a lower res to accommodate most other machines. 1280x1024 is one of the strangest resolutions though. It's 5:4, and the only resolution at 5:4, everything else in the "square" monitor era was 4:3 (640x480, 800x600, 1024x768, 1280x960, 1600x1200). The only resolution on a laptop that would accommodate the 1280x1024 is 1680x1050 for the "old" 16:10 standard, but you'd need a full 1080p (1920x1080) screen to run it. That's highly uncommon in the notebook world.
     
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    In order to sufficiently stress a system @ 1024x768, you'd have to bump the AAA and AF up pretty far, as well as what I was previously saying, which was that futuremark programs mostly have desktops in mind, and desktop monitors have supported 5:4 resolutions for decades. Changing a parameter on which the benchmark is preformed will change the score, since vantage goes off FPS and OPS. Lower resolutions will yield higher FPS, which will distort scores.
     
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    Well, I guess what's the point in benchmarking if only a percentage of users can run at the higher resolution. It's just a number so its all relative. If everything was run at 1024x768 then it'll be a fair comparison.

    Looking at Steam's Survey statistics, I calculate that roughly 40% of display resolutions can't support 1280x1024:

    Steam Hardware Survey

    Whether for desktops or not, 3DMark is a standard (unfortunately) that everyone uses to measure performance. Isolating 40% of the crowd isn't a good idea IMHO. Imagine how many users you'd tick off if you made a game that only supported 1280x1024.
     
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    That's why 3dmark 2006 is still supported and used widespread. Also, steam is just a platform, I'd venture to say ~ 60-80%(or more) of the games bought through steam can run at resolutions lower than 1280x1024 ;) which would by extension, mean that some of those people might not have more than 1 requirement of vantage to run it anyway.

    I don't know of anyone running 1024x768 and happens to have a 3200shader graphics card, and futuremark benchmarks have never been about supporting everyone at the same time. Their newest benchmarks have always been a for high-end systems, and vantage's system requirements reflect this. IIRC, 3dmark 2005/2006 will not run on lower than Directx9 graphics cards, at the time there were still plenty of people that still had 8.1 cards who now could not run the benchmark. Anyway, I wouldn't doubt forcing 1024x768 resolution requirements would make it acessable to more people, however future mark's benchmarks are never about mass accessibility as I said previously.
     
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    Which is another reason 3DMark fails as a decent benchmark IMHO. A benchmark doesn't mean it should only run on higher end systems, it should be used as a comparison tool to evaluate performance regardless of the system.

    I haven't found a single game that has a minimum resolution requirement higher than 1024x768. But there are lots that do require 1024x768 as minimum res, found that out the hard way after buying a performance netbook with 1024x600 display (Asus N10J).

    What's next? Minimum 1080p minimum requirement?

    It's a mute point IMHO. FutureMark will do what they do and we just use it or don't I guess.
     
  17. TehSuigi

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    Getting back on point, you need to disable the Feature Tests in your benchmark options in order to run the Entry preset on a monitor smaller than 1280x1024.
     
  18. HTWingNut

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    Will that give still give you a score though?
     
  19. TehSuigi

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    Yep - you'll still get a score for Entry because you will still be running the CPU and Graphics tests.
    Feature tests have never been a part of the 3DMark score.
     
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    futuremark are bringing a new version benchmark out soon.

     
  21. Satyrion

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    i tested vantage now at 1366x768 and got 3312 GPU and 3392 CPU score.

    all standard settings except resolution. That is better than my friends 9800GS lol but he runs at 1280x1024 and get around 3000.

    Guess my card is quite okay