Laptop GTX 580m 2GB vs. Desktop ATI 5770 1GB

Well, I'm going from my desktop's Ati 5770 to my new laptops (I dont have it yet but im real excited) GTX 580m 2GB.

Will I notice a huge difference?

I'm hoping and expecting to...

Considering the damn ATI card experiences FPS lag on Freelancer, a 2002 game...

 

580M is better. The 580M is an underclocked GTX 560 Ti which you know is better than a 6770.

 

580m should be better bur both cards are 40nm.

Put it this way your laptop will run hot. 5770 could play most games at 1080p at decent settings. Your laptop will be old gen in a month.

I am waiting for 3612qm 22nm ivy bridge 8gb ram 750gb 128gb ssd gtx660m kepler laptop 15.6 1080p screen weighing 2.5kg as powerful as your 580m. Maybe I will get a gt650m. The power consumption for same performance is halfed so 100w power consumption laptop will perform as well as a 200w laptop most cases.

 

What a bunch of nonsense.

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Can I ask which laptop ur talking about? and I don't think the 660m is going to be as powerfull as 580m maybe u can OC it up to 570m tho.

 

oh yeah i got a 6770 in my desktop also and it plays games decently well i would say however i havent tried it at 1080p.

 

GTX 580M is better than the 660M. 660M is around 570M.
If you`re looking for a GPU that beat 580M you will have to wait for 7970M and 680M. Although Kepler is more efficient than Fermi, there is no way a 45W Kepler is beating a 100W Fermi. Not going to happen

 

The top of the generation preceeding are most always better than the lower and middle of the newest generation.

Which begs the question... where's the GTX 590m?

If I always waited for the next best thing in technology, you'd be in an endless waiting cycle. You have to strike.

And I striked =P

So I will notice a difference?

I've always felt better about NVidia cards. They always seem to perform better for me. They seem to be of better quality, but use more power and henceforth create more heat. Fine with me, I can deal with that. In fact, I bought a notebook cooler just for that.

Dualy noted...

 

What I've heard is that the 660M is between the 560M and 570M in performance but draws significantly less power than either of them, making it run cooler as well as making it viable in smaller laptops. The next argument is that you can probably overclock a 660M to 570M performance, but you won't be able to overclock it to overclocked 570M performance, so that's kind've moot.

 

actually i am interested in this too. how is the performance of the 6770 desktop version compared to gtx 660m. atm my gaming rig is a 6770 and a crappy phenom quad core 9500. would a laptop with quad core mobile ivy + gt 650m/gtx 660m have better performance? (this is at 1080p btw)

 

XD I went the opposite way when I bought this Desktop Pakii94...

I went hard with the Intel I7 960 3.2GHZ (which is still sorta releveant, I'd say? I never had a problem processing anything =P)

and the 12 GB of 1333GHZ ram (wayyyy too much)

instead of having a good graphics card. What a mistake. Never again. Went mid range with processor, high range with Graphics card and middle (or low?) with RAM at 8GB 1333GHZ.

I dislike ATI's so much from this experience (along with the FPS lagging/jumping on a GAME FROM 2002) I'll be damned if I ever buy another one...

 

This guy spits nonsense 24/7 (not you, nissangtr786).

 

lol actually when i bought the desktop 2-3 yrs ago, i was a noob at comps and i got caught up on the marketing bs that manufacture spit out. During black friday i was looking for a desktop and i saw a hp one at bestbuy that I thought would fit my needs for $700. I looked at "quad core" (not knowing that its still not better than intel processors and that it was one of the lowest performance wise) then it said "nividia graphics" (turned out to be ty nvidia integrated graphics that prolly couldnt play cs properly). atleast i got 6 gig ram.

When i realized my gfx was ty, i went to upgrade it but it turned out that the psu was only 300w. Thus I had to get a nvidia g 210... the lowest card possible i think... Finally when my psu gave out i convinced my dad to let me buy a 650w psu thus I was able to get a gfx card. At that time I didnt know how cards went so I saw the 6770 for a cheap price on craigslist and I bought it. (I didn't know how much of a boost I would have gotten from the 68xx/69xx) Luckily it turned out well cause the 6770 barely fit in my crappy OEM case and crappy MB design -_- (its like 1 mm from this random heatsink).

If I had known what I do now I would have built my own custom pc from that money :|. Now i gotta work on laptops cause im going to college next year thus it gotta be portable yet gaming worthy (thats why im looking at gt 650m/gtx 660m)

 

btw what laptop did u order?

 

You can't be serious. Why do you try and tell someone what to do when you don't even know the right information. Everything you've said in this post is not only wrong.....it's DEAD WRONG.


To the OP...Don't listen to this fool. Your 580m will blow is 660m out of the water. The only way I would consider a 660m is in a secondary smaller laptop. I'm hoping they cram one into a Ultrabook. In my primary gaming notebook, I would want something more powerful.

 

How did this thread get so off topic? the OP asked how a 580m will compare to a desktop 5770 but everyone keeps comparing a 580m to a 660m

 

lol simple answer: It will be better.

 

Wow... That's the same reason im getting a laptop.

It'll be my 4th computer in my 17 year life span. =P

1st. Dell (dont remember model name, ~5-6 years ago? Really dont remember...) Around 2004?. $800. 512 MB RAM is all I remember. Terrible. Default peice of junk.

2nd. ( bought ~4 years ago) ~$1200 Custom low-mid desktop from iBUYPOWER Gaming PC: Custom Gaming Computers and Laptops Intel E6700. NVidia GT 9500

3rd. (Bought 3 years ago) $2,025 This computer: I7 960, ATI 5770, 12 GB 1333GHZ
4th. (~$1,900) New laptop, higher performance than all previous... at least in Graphics.

By how much? Give me an analogy... metaphor... whatever.

Hehe, I figured. Buying the highest of a previous generation with more stable/up to date drivers is better than buying a new generation low/medium card with less stable drivers.

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Nice laptop man. I ordered the same one about 2 months ago. I opted for the backlit Steelseries keyboard and it definitely adds a nice touch to the all black chassis. Did you add the keyboard or did you keep it stock?

With this setup, you will be able to max out most every game available. I'm not really seeing any titles being released within the year that you wont be able to max out either. The 580m should give you plenty of performance over the next couple years.

 

haha i would go full gaming but i need 15" or less and portability so battery life for college. Idk how practical a 17in laptop will be for college... are u planning on getting a netbook or something or maybe another laptop in a year? cause that thing is gonna be pretty heavy/big/bulky. but nice setup tho

 

8.6 lbs doesnt seem to heavy for me... Plus I need a bit of a workout =P

It'll be fine. All good. Weight doesnt really bother me. It's like lung capacity really. Carry heavier things for longer and eventually they'll feel light XD

I certainly hope so. Although I didn't get the keyboard that lights up all pretty I didnt really care so much because after all the MSI Force 1761 is a barebones and without the aluminum accenting the lights real nice it would be like putting lip stick on a pig. A pig that makes real, real good bacon.

Thanks, heh. I guess I got what I came for =P I'll be sure to take a nice pic when I get it... Ugh. Hope its before the end of the first week of April... Spring break and all that.

 

haha thats not wat im talking about man. I could use a bit of a workout also but u have to consider when and where ur going to use it... desk size(how much area is the laptop going to cover up?), lecture duration length+amount of lectures (battery life). I'm just saying to keep those things in mind. Also another thing to consider is alot of places say that less than 14in screen is the way to go for college. Have u decided where ur going to school? im on spring break right now school starts up next monday

 

Almost fell off the toilet reading this. But I agree. The 660m is not in the same league as the 580m.

As for the original question, the 5770 is basically a slightly faster 5870m, and the 580m has 2x the power the 5870m, so basically you are looking at a 50-100% performance increase with a 580m v 5770 desktop, depending on the game. The 580m will have less of an edge on DX10 titles, but most games are DX11 anyway.

 

LOL! The 580M is rebranded as the GTX 675M in the 600M series, so 660M is no match to 580M with what is essentially a low end GK107 chip.

 

what bout 650m/660m vs 6770??

 

Yup... the 580m will definitely blow the 660m out of the water in terms of performance.
The 675m is a renamed 580m (identical hardware otherwise - down to the manuf. process - so 0 change there).

In terms of price/performance ratio... I would rather buy the SB quad with 580m.
IB cpu's will only provide up to 10 or 15% maximum performance increase for a supposedly lower level of power used (but not necessarily lower heat production) - although if the IB will be offered in the same price range, then couple that with 580m.

In terms of temperatures... well, to my knowledge, SB laptops with 580m go up to 80 or 85 degrees C under full load, sometimes maybe lower - depends (but you can always undervolt the gpu on stock clocks, reduce temperatures by about 5 to 10 degrees C and increase battery life somewhat).
So I wouldn't call that problematic.

The only segment where you will see marginal improvements with IB will be in battery life (but even in that case, with high performance hardware, the battery life will be extended by relatively small amount - still, you can drive everything down to a minimum when on battery with SB and high-end hardware which will probably result in 3 or 4 hours of battery anyway).

When it comes to 580m vs desktop 6770... the 580m is better.
The 580m is relatively equal to a desktop 560 Ti, and the AMD equivalent to my knowledge would be the 6870 (although I could be wrong).

 

Maybe my post came a bit OTT but even if the gtx660m gddr5 version is 128bit most games there won't be to much a difference around 30-35% between the 580m. http://www.geforce.com/hardware/notebook-gpus/geforce-gtx-660m/performance

My main point was in a month or so you will be able to get quite thin portable and even high battery life for similar performance. Gtx660m will be the flagship kepler card for the time being based on 28nm and this will be the best in terms of efficiency.

Also the point of 100w power consumption laptop doing as well as 200w was also maybe ott as the cpu power consumption is not much better maybe 50%. So general is a 120w laptop should outperform a 200w consuming laptop and have much better battery life good switchable 22nm graphics.

I doubt waiting 1 month is a big deal for top end technology. The 580m is more powerful the the 5770 but won't be great in the summer for gaming. A gtx660m should be as powerful if not just a bit more powerful then the 5770 and is expected to be a 40-45w card vs the 100w gtx580m.

At the end of the day I would prefer thin and porttable futureproof laptop over something that is all but outdated in a month.

 

Samsung 7 Series Gamer Notebook at CES 2012 - YouTube

This has a gtx 670mthey say even though it has an amd graphics sticker and I believe it is a 6970m.
http://www.ghacks.net/2012/03/29/samsung-series-7-gamer-3d-laptop-review/

Shows you how big the old gen laptops will be. It will be interesting to see the games performance as kepler could be more better due to its efficiency.

 

The 7 series specs listed as being 670M or 7970M.

 

I think it is 6970m on the video as the game doesn't run at to high fps and looks big in terms of thinckness of the laptop. If it was a 7970m it should be slightly thinner.

 

Yeah something like that although we haven`t seen any conclusive benchmarks of the 660M yet. Who knows how good (or bad) the Kepler overclocks compared to 570M. But yeah, 570M OCed will be better than 660M OCed. I`m pretty shure
After all, the 570M have better memory bandwidth than 660M to process those overclocked bits and bytes anyways so yeah.

Anyhow, enough of the 660M from me. It`s been talked about to death in this forum now lol.

Proceed with the topic

 

More memory bandwidth, but in the 15% region I am guessing.

950x1.5 = 1425
stock of 660m = 1000, should OC to around 1200 ish.

 

Question: Since 570m have a certain clock and 670m is an overclocked 570m, is the overclocking potential of 670m smaller than 570m or have they raised some limit to allow same oc potential with 670m?
If not, then the overclocked 570m people are using is the highest an overclocked 670m can come?

 

Maybe 670M operates at a slightly higher voltage?

 

Meaker has his 570M at 825 on the core, it's overvolted of course. The 670M will be able to do the same once the vbios has been modded. There's a guy on the R3 forum with a 670M and he has benchmarked it on stock clocks so far. They operate at the same voltage at stock and same voltage when overvolted because they are the same damn card. All we need is someone to test the 670M vbios on their 570M.

 

Right so you can reach the same clocks with a 570M as a 670M?

 

The same as any 570M card can do around the same as another since every chip is different.

 

Why wouldn't a 580m be good for summer gaming? Aren't you going to be gaming in a air conditioned environment? I highly doubt anyone will be gaming outside in 95 degree weather.

The 580m will not be outdated technology in one month. They are re-branding the 580m as the 675m. If Fermi was going to be outdated, they wouldn't be rebranding a chip that will be faster than their so called flagship Keplar chip (660m). Yes the 660m will use less power than the 580m. Not only is it 28nm but it is also less powerful in terms of performance. If you want a thinner/smaller laptop with a GPU that could maybe push most games on medium settings at 720p then the 660m is your chip. If you want a gaming beast that can push max settings at 1080p, your still going to need a pretty large laptop. The size won't be any different than the high end gaming laptops you see today.

 

Oh lord what did I start...

Won't be outdated in a month, and I dont have a thin and portable laptop... its 17 inches.

So what I have is just fine. Lol... People getting in big 3 page arguments over computer parts =P Funny.

Lives, anyone, anyone at all?

 

5770 desktop is slightly slower than a 260 GTX desktop. Now you have to find which 5xxM is equal to 260GTX D

 

You would be surprised how good a green, red or blue backlit keyboard looks on a all black chassis. It adds a nice suttle touch unlike the array of lights on the MSI branded GT780. When the 1761 is closed, it looks like a barebones laptop. However, when it is open with the Steelseries keyboard glowing, it looks nothing like a barebones laptop. It's also a must for those of use who like to game in the dark. I've also heard many over in the MSI forum state that the barebones keyboard does not feel as good as the Steelseries keyboard. That's actually the main reason I opted for it.

 

XD Gaming in the dark.

Silly.

I've memorized where all the keys are long ago to where I don't even have to look anymore =P

Although the feel does count signifficantly more perhaps one day ill install it myself?

I never heard anything about it feeling different though.

Eh.

Its not here yet, in fact the check didnt clear yet. Argh. I hate waiting!

 

can you guys fit 17" msi into astro scout? if yes, it is one hell of a bag which makes our juggernauts feel like feathers

580m has still a good one more year to max all games, and it will continue to be strong in the coming years, especially with new FXAA algorithm which will appear with driver v300, it will become even stronger, that is why they rebadged it to 675m, I am having doubts they will beat it with Kepler in mobile environment very soon..

 

I'm not sure what the part is exactly but something needs to be soldered onto the motherboard that the keyboard plugs into. It provides the power for the backlight. I would call your re-seller and ask them if you ever decide to order it. After reading over in the MSI forum, I know it's not as easy as just swapping keyboards.

 

how u liking ur new laptop?

 

XP Forever you made a big mistake getting a gtx 580m as its a 40nm card like your desktop 5770. Your graphics card is on the limit of 40nm mobile card while a mid-high end card will beat your laptop.

I reckon a 50w 7950m card will easily beat your gtx580m by 30% while taking 50w less and a laptop like a 15.6" with ivy bridge weighing around 2.6kg or 3.2kg for a 17" one.
..........................

Also be prepared to see people with 15.6 inch laptops with 8 hour battery life and weigh around 2.6kg outperforming your laptop by 50% while taking around 50w less.

 

wow dude, you are trolling right? there is seriously no other explanation...

 

Maybe it came as a bit OTT but upgrading from a desktop 5770 to a gtx580m makes no sense at all. Slight overall upgrade in performance but reality is its the same 40nm graphics card. I don't know why anyone would buy a laptop that in reality is obsolete in a month or even a week or so.

Anyway kepler is 2x performance per watt. Its very strange going from an ati 5770 desktop to a mobile gtx 580m as the new generation stuff is released.

The op will not like the high temperatures and constant fans. A 7950m at 50w will be at least 30% faster.

At the end of the day would you buy a nissan gtr if a new lighter faster and more better on mpg comes out in a month for virtually slightly more.

Its like buying a fat ps3 and saying it does the job when a new ps3 slim is about to come out that takes around 70w less in power consumption and is half the size. That is the difference between his and the same performance at 22nm cpu and 28nm gpu but there will be another 5 hours more battery life in a computer with the same performance as his gtx 580m.

 

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If this is true a 50w card will easily beat the 580m at half the power consumption. Thats a big leap. I wouldn't be suprised if the 7750m comes close to the 580m on direct x 11 performance and thats a 36w card for 15.6 inch laptops that weigh 2.3kg.

 

The problem is no one except ati knows what the 7950m really looks like in terms of specs... Yea it is rumored to be a certain things but no one has the card in hand... And no one knows when the card is coming out...

the 580m is still an amazing card that does great things... At the end of the day it comes down to how much you are willing to spend to have the newest greatest card or having the last generation card that still will be good for at least 1 year or more...

And where are you getting that you can get 5 hrs more out of changing the cpu and gpu? I get around 2 1/2 hrs with my 560m's... Are you saying that I can get the new cards and cpu's and get almost 8 hrs out of them?