MMO's do not require good hardware?

This, also double check your advanced power settings to make sure that for whichever setting you are using while plugged into A/C, you have set your Processor power management to "Maximum Processor State 100%"

And there is a 64-bit launcher here

 

follow Vaath's advice to start. In addition to posting your settings, which is critical, you should use a single monitor, and play the game in fullscreen mode rather than windowed mode.

 

Half of the reason for buying a laptop was so that I could put the game on my main monitor and a browser on the laptop's display... Do I really need to go buy a desktop GTX 690 or something to run WoW plus a browser? Just a question, I am working on settings and screenshots now.

 

It wouldn't be nearly enough, especially if you're still going to run it at 8x SSAA.

You can run the browser, it's driving the second monitor while gaming that we are recommending dropping, along with windowed mode. There are certain performance optimizations that can only occur in fullscreen mode, and others that rely on a single display. These may be relevant. Performance can drop dramatically in windowed mode. If you are trying to get your performance to match benchmarks, it's going to be prudent to follow the optimal path.

You also might as well tell us your system specs if you haven't already.

 

I think you are going to extremes there... We are trying to figure out what the problem is with your laptop... We are trying to help you with your problem... If you don't want help then say so... Posting something like you did doesn't help the problem... but why go with just 1 690... get 4...

the best way to get rid of everything and slowly add things back in to figure out what is causing the problem...

Post your specs, post the screen shots of the info that was asked so we can help you... As it has been said before, there is a problem somewhere...

edit:

also:

Get HWiNFO64, launch sensors and hit 'Logging Start' at the bottom, save, play the game for 10 mins, stop logging and upload the CSV file.

Tell me if you can see the difference between these 2 pics...

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7913/wowscrnshot051012181340.jpg

http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/4883/wowscrnshot051012181353.jpg

 

Which I said I turned off, at least twice so far in this thread...

This is why I feel I should start a new thread with every system detail and screenshot, people come in reading only some of the posts and make things difficult to follow.

 

Starting a new thread is just going to make the mods lock the new one and post back to here...

 

Did you ever get around to trying the Single Monitor Fullscreen mode? Not to pick, just would like to cross it off the list if doesn't help.

 

I dunno.. i7 is a pretty beefy cpu. Asking for over 40 frames per second, even in stormwind, shouldn't be to much with the right gpu.

 

Switched over to fullscreen with second display turned off to satisfy curiosities: it does improve fps but not by a lot.









That's where I am right now.

 

ok download gpu-z, post screenshot...

 

Fully agreed, but I figured I would ask since I had the same problem. I turned off second monitor entirely and just ran on the one with fullscreen mode, fps jumped from 30's to 55-60.

Never hurts to throw in an idea

 

Man i understand why you are pissed off...35.5 fps ?

Something is wrong, wow is not serious business on a graphic level.

 

Turn shadows off....
Profit

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2030264750 - Read that.

 

HWiNFO64 does not see the AMD GPU for whatever reason so I did not try logging with it yet. GPU-Z won't even run most of the time for some other unknown reason. I have the base M17x config with 7970M and 1080p screen upgrades. Everything else is base (3610 cpu, 6GB ram, 500GB hdd, win7 home).

Your second screenshot looks like the lighting/shadows are way more realistic and detailed, not sure what else is different.

 

That is the difference between 2nd highest setting and ultra... and 30 fps...

I really just think it is crappy drivers... 7970's are so new it is going to take a month or so before we see some decent drivers...

I stopped playing on ultra because raiding in a 25 man you are too worried about doing the raid stuff... I play on high, but I am going blind...

 

I'm starting to think the game is just plain more demanding than people pretend, which was my original thought.

Going to fullscreen on only one display and porting over to Deepholm I'm seeing 50-80 fps with 8x adaptive MSAA enabled. Switching back to the Windowed (Fullscreen) mode I'd like to play in with a browser up on the lappy's display, while leaving the AA on, cuts fps down to more like 25-60. Porting back to Stormwind with that same preferred setting brings fps down to 10-40.

I don't think there's actually anything wrong here, the computer just isn't as awesome as I expected.

 

I think that is exactly correct. Your expectations aren't realistic compared to the available hardware. The benchmarks that you used to create that expectation no longer apply because you aren't setting up your system optimally, and they are.

Unfortunate reality.

 

I don't pretend that I am getting way better results than you... I don't know how else to say that with what you said... There is a problem with something... everything points to bad drivers or something else...

You are getting high fps outside of stormwind... You are getting results that are showing that there is a problem with the drivers with the settings you want to use... You shouldn't be having that big of a spike with WoW of all things...

 

Seriously, posts like this are why threads get cluttered with garbage. You have effectively said nothing. Also, one period tends to suffice when ending a sentence.

He gets 50-80 FPS in Deepholm with 8xMSAA; As I had said in my first post, there is nothing wrong with the hardware. It's called the World of Warcraft, not the World of Stormwind.

 

There is something wrong with the hardware... If mine can get 50+fps with 560's in stormwind, and he can only pull off 10-30 fps using the same settings there is something wrong... The 7970's are benching amazingly higher than dual 560m's. And that was with modded drivers... There is something wrong with the settings or something else...

And I put 3 periods on all my post, it is habit, so that really didn't add anything to the discussion about the settings except pointing it out...

If he wants to give up and blame the game is one thing... But I know it can be done with hardware that is not as new or good...

 

It's true, but still very annoying. SW is probably the zone I'll frequent most, yet it has the worst performance apparently of damn near any zone in the game.

I guess I need to check out some other games and try to make a decision here. Apparently I was not wrong in that it will likely take a GTX 690 to pull 60 fps in SW, kind of makes you wonder how anyone plays the damn game :lol:

Do you think an i5-3570k at 4GHz with a 7950 or so would fare way better at these type of settings or just be like 45 fps instead of 35?

 

You have a 7970, why would you go down to a 7950? Below is the scores for 3dmark Vantage. You have a powerful card. I don't know why you think you need to have a 690 to get 60 fps in stormwind. it is possible with 560m's. The 680m's aren't even out yet, the 690m's will be a long time from now.

24757 3DMarks - 7970m
17484 3DMarks - 560m sli

 

Just gonna quote myself here......

 

+1 rep nice find...

 

I tried that. Shadows Ultra -> High yields a 7-8 fps increase and High -> Low yields a further 3-4 fps increase. Not really game-changing but I appreciate the idea.

 

considering the settings he was using (which were not the same settings you are using), the performance difference makes sense.

 

Here is a pic with everything maxxed out in stormwind. Look at the fps.

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/2954/wowscrnshot051012180625.jpg

 

That does make me wonder if there isn't still something wrong. Still, I have no idea what else to try. I'm downloading a couple other games tonight to see how those go tomorrow, but beyond that I'm kind of out of ideas.

 

A) where are the people? that's the issue with stormwind. highly variable results. there's nothing wrong with troy's hardware. troy had like 20-30 others in view. PLUS he was running windowed mode and had a second monitor active. All of those things are significant.

 

I was actually fullscreen with no second display at that point, trying to eliminate all fps issues.

 

I am running fullscreen window also. Running a 27" and a 24" at 1920x1080.

Everything on Ultra, I was wrong I got mid 50's fps

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/540/wowscrnshot051012213226.jpg

Everything on Ultra but Shadows on high it jumps up to 64 fps

http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/1503/wowscrnshot051012213313.jpg


Heck here is a pic of me running wow and sc2 on the same computer and while you can't see the fps of the wow I know it was in the 50's.

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/9489/428lk.jpg

 

You have to realize, almost no one plays on maxed out settings. There are a couple reasons for this:

1. The hardware necessary to push such demanding settings is priced exponentially; a 6770 will run the game fluently on med/high settings, but will struggle at ultra with AA, AF, lighting, shadows, etc jacked up. On the other hand, a 6970 will be able to run the game on ultra, but costs 3x more than the 6770. Worth it? I don't think so, but it's your call.

2. Serious gamers don't play on ultra. They play on the lowest settings or medium. Why? Because if they get into a big fight with tons of effects, that one 'hangup' where the game might dip into the 20's or 30's could mean the difference between messing up or continuing. It's a minimization of risk.

It's good that you're going to try other games, keep us updated on how that goes.

 

he had texture on ultra too and he had 20+ people on screen so i think his 30fps is spot on as masterchef already stated

 

There is no option for textures for ultra, high is the highest it will go...I just checked and mine is matching everything besides I have my multisampling at 8x where his is at 1x. dropping mine down to 1x with 16 people around me braught it up to 70+ fps. but I will wait til there is more people on tomorrow and post another ss of it. Heck I will do a lfr 25 person and see what that does.

ok I will log on tomorrow when there is more people in stormwind at night. I still say 7970m should get better results than a 560m sli.

 

No offense but you dual screen pic is disguisting. Clean that crap up.

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Biggest difference in the city came when I disabled audio. So many cpu cycles used to make footsteps and mount sounds even though you are too far away to actually hear them.

That was with my desktop e8400. I tested with integrated soundcard, no sounds and old pci soundblaster live whatever. No sounds would give me 20+ fps in Dalaran, soundblaster 15-20 and integrated 1-5 fps

 

This forum name is funny. would have never opened it if it said WoW does not require good hardware
MMO performance of Secret world...Tera...or TOR? would have been niced to see how they performed.... Secret world supposedly uses PhysX, unless it's only server side... oh well

 

none taken... it was a mess...

 

Actually I might have changed my mind yet again. Had a bunch of weird issues with the screen brightness bouncing up and down so I uninstalled the 12.5 mod drivers, restarted, installed the dell drivers, restarted, and now everything is even more screwed up :lol:

GPU-Z will not start.

3dmark11 will not complete benchmark and says processor and graphics card are not recognized.

HWiOn24whateverthehellitiscalled still does not show the AMD GPU.

and WoW now seems to start up and run on integrated graphics 50% of the time for no reason - BUT when it does use the AMD GPU the framerates are halfway decent... W T F?

I guess it's time to wipe the whole damn system clean and start over... this thing is really turning out to be a nightmare.

 

Sounds like remnants of the 12.5's were left behind. Before you reformat, uninstall/delete the drivers from dev manager and download and run ATIman and have it clean all of the old drivers out. Then proceed to install other drivers of choice.

 

Apparently I can't even install ATIman, this is just plain stupid. I had some similar issues trying to do some other things...



There is only one user account on the machine, the one I am logged into, and it is an administrator account. I tried turning the UAC notifications all of the way down and still nothing. I'm nearly ready to give up on this computer and give it back to Dell.

 

did you try right clicking and running as admin?

 

If the worst comes to the worst then "net user administrator /active:yes". That should get what you want done, just be sure to disable it again once you've finished.

 

There's no option. It's a .msi which does not give the run as admin option like a .exe file.

My solution so far tonight has been to go for a run, then get a pizza and a bottle of wine. I have enough grey hair already, dealing with this crap is just too stressful.

I'm just going to format the stupid thing tonight and if it's still screwy Dell can have it back on Monday.

 

same problem here
just bought an M17X R4 with Ivy Bridge i7-3610QM and Radeon 7970M.

P5770 in 3dmark11
Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3610QM Processor,Alienware M17xR4 score: P5770 3DMarks

well i said: YES! this laptop runs as fast as my desktop rig with 6950 crossfire :O never seen anything like that, it blows away any other nvidia/ati mobile card.


*BUT*
i get 20fps in Tera and 30fps in WoW i should get at least 100fps with vsync disabled@1600x900..

it can be a problem ati drivers. Right now i'm using: 5/9/2012 A00 8.934.2 Dell AMD Radeon HD 7970M

Please help! Diablo 3 releases this tuesday

 

update:
ok solved. I added wow.exe and tera.exe to the list under Catalyst Control Center -> Powerplay -> Commutable graphic cards. I was using intel hd 4000 instead of the 7970M.
now i have 90 fps in Tera at ultra details lol!!

 

Seph, I was having problems with Tera on my 6990M as well. 30-40 FPS with settings maxed. Then I realized that I had antialiasing forced on in RadeonPro. Apparently Tera is poorly optimized for ATI cards at this point. A support tech has stated that they are aware of various optimization issues and other bugs related to both ATI and nVidia and they are working on a solution which 'should' be incoporated into the next big patch.
**not trying to hijack your thread, troy**

 

Well I formatted and reinstalled a bare Windows with only the ethernet driver, 5/9 Dell display drivers, and GPU-Z.

GPU-Z still does not start, it just hangs at its splash screen forever.

Uninstalled GPU-Z and am downloading WoW yet again.

One big difference is Windows now has only 46 processes running instead of ~100, but I will probably want to reload a bunch of stuff at some point like wifi, sound, alienfx, steam, etc. so I'm assuming the processes will mostly come back.

 

don't forget to add wow.exe to the list under Catalyst Control Center -> Powerplay -> Commutable graphic cards. I was using intel hd 4000 instead of the 7970M.