MR X1900 vs Go 8400m GT

i just want peoples opinions so i can brag to my friend that i have a faster video card in my notebook. just correct me if im wrong but i think the only thing the 8400 has over my X1900 is dx10 support. any input would be helpful

 

Yes, the x1900 is a faster and more powerful card than the 8400mGT, probably about twice as fast on modern games.

 

i wasn't aware they made a notebook x1900...

8 series is newer tech. it does several things more efficiently than your x1900.

but even so, the total power behind it is WAY less than the x1900. an 8600 gt might equate a mobile x1900. an 8400m gt has about half the power of the 8600... so maybe his 8400 is about half as fast as your card.

 

Unless you get the 8600M or greater, the dx10 factor wont come into play!

 

The x1900 would beat the 8400M GT to death, drag it across a field, trample on it, and bury it. The 8400M GT will most likely not be able to display the Directx10 eyecandy anyway (too weak). If you're making a comparison between the x1900 and the 8400M GT it might mean that you're trying to pick a card to put into a 17"+ notebook, and a 8400M GT is a waste of chassis size in that case.

 

oh yes thank u all for validating my point. now if he comes trying to talk trash i will forward him to this forum. but i would rather have an 8800gtx, if they made it in a mobile version in my notebook. yes i am a hardcore ati fanboy. but nvidia does dominate the mobile market. next notebook is the M9750. coming soon when i redeploy back to the states.

 

Well, not actually. Yes the x1900 is better, but it's only about twice as good, with no DX10 support. And yes, on lower resolution game the 8400GT is powerful enough to use DX10 eyecandy, just look at the Lost Planet and Call of Juarez benches. It won't be pushing out 50+ fps, but it's still playable with DX10 graphics.

 

link me yo. i want to see those benchies. just curious on the competition

 

I'll try to find them, I think they were on one of the over clocking forums or something. I'll post links for any screenshots or anything I can find. But it makes sense, as the 8400GT is as powerful as the Go7600/x1600, which are decent performers at lower resolutions, and as long as you're not loading a lot of texture memory (due to high resolutions, ultra high AA, or ultra-detailed shadows) the 8400GT can keep up with DX10. However, as I said before the X1900 is still a more powerful card, at least twice as powerful, and even more so if you're playing at high details and high resolutions.

 

i thought that the 8600 series was on par with the x1600/7600. and not just because of the marketing name either, but because of specs. i dunno. i should check out some benchies.

 

The 8400GT has virtually the exact same specs as the 8600GS. The 8400GS and 8400G are different stories, they're on par with the Go7400. The way I see it:
8400G/GS = Go7400
8400GT/8600GS = Go7600
8600GT = Go7700
And the DX10 versions are about 50% faster than the DX9 versions that I listed above, so that puts the 8400GT right on par to be about half as fast as a x1900.

 

50% faster because of the unified shader technology?

 

8600GT is closer to the 7900GS than the 7600 me thinks...

 

I guess, I don't know which exact engineering advances made them faster, but in benches you get ~1500 on the 8400GS vs 1000 on the 7400, and ~2500 on the 8600GS vs ~2000 on the 7600. 50% is a pretty normal speed jump for a generation gap in graphics cards. The only thing that suprised me is the speed jump in the 8600GT and 8700GT, which despite being 128-bit cards they're fully capable of keeping up with 256-bit DX9 cards, at least on moderate resolutions.

 

The x1900 is A LOT better than the 8400M GS or GT, doesn't matter. DX10 cards only get good if you have the 8600M GT or better, 8700M GT and soon the 8800M.

The x1900 will play games pretty well for quite a while, only without DX10. I'd rather have performance than the DX10 effects any day.

 

Yeah, in performance it is. That's why I said it's about 50% faster than the 7700, which gives you about the performance of the 7900GS. The 7900GS still beats the 8600GT on higher resolutions, though, becuase it has double the memory bandwith.

 

See, that's mistaken. The 8400GT is a 128-bit card, while the 8400GS is a 64-bit card. They're entirely different animals. The 8400GT is a 7600 refresh, while the 8400Gs is a 7400 refresh. The x1900 is admittedly faster than the 8400GT, but the gap is not even close to as large as it is between say an x1900 and an x1400.

 

You got it twisted up. The 8400M GT and 8600M GS are definitely not in the same league, lol

The 8400M GT is more like the Go7500 and the 8600M GS is like the Go7600.

Then the 8600M GT is more like the 7900 GS, which is considered the low high-end of the DX9 cards. If you ask me, it's either 8600M GT and above or the 7900 and above.

If you are an avid gamer, steer clear of the 8400M series as well as the 8600M GS if you plan to play new games at least at medium settings.

 

The 8400mGT and the 8600GS, as far as I know, differ only in clock speeds. They both have the same memory interface, the same number of stream processors, the same max amount of dedicated memory, etc. The 8600GT performs similar to the 7900GS, but as I said above the 7900GS has twice the amount of memory bandwith so it will always win in texture-memory intensive situations. And there never was a Go7500, so I'm not sure what you're point there is.

 

Oh right, I was thinking of my friend's desktop GPU. He has a GeForce 7500.

Also, I read those posts after so my bad on that. However, the 8600M GT is still comparable to the 7900 GS, maybe not as powerful but it's in the same league.

 

Yeah, I agree, they both can deliver similar performance in modern games. The real test will be how they do on next-gen games, to see if those unified shaders help more with DX10 optimized programming.

 

i wish ati would make a dx10 capable mobile gpu. otherwise im gonna have to go with a desktop or an nvidia based notebook.

 

Umm... does anyone even have a Mobility Radeon X1900 in the first place? It's hard finding high-end ATI cards on laptops. It's like Intel ruling the laptop world. Oh, wait, ATI and is AMD.

 

if u look in my sig, i have an MR X1900. is that sarcasm i sense? lol

 

Yep. I do. Several, actually

 

hey ice tea not to go off topic but... is there any new drivers out for the x1900? i figured u would be the person to know.

 

I'm simply using Omega drivers. Works fine