MS abandoning Windows PC FPS Gaming?

This makes so little sense to me. Especially since more people play BC2 on PC than on consoles and there are far more FPS titles on PC than consoles. There are a few 3rd person shooters, but other than Halo, BC2 and MW2, there doesn't seem to be a huge following of FPS on console to me. I don't play console, so that's just my impression from reading gaming forums/review sites.

I love how Kudo goes on to say how controls are so great on the 360 when MS own game proved that Keyboard Mouse destroys console players. Forget the name of their game, but whatever.

Anyways here is the odd statement from MS. MS making fun of Windows, go figure...

VG247 Blog Archive Kudo: “Hardly anyone plays first-person shooters on the PC any more”

 

i saw this before i think.

what a load of exctrement that guy chats. controls for FPS on console are known to be bad, otherwise developers wouldnt put aim aid into the games for consoles.

 

Failed to mention Halo etc had to be written ground up to support console to support hardcore auto-aim.

But in general wish MS would stop giving PC gaming the finger. I don't see the why porting some of their games or making games to be cross-platform isn't still good competition for PS3 on exclusive games. It just seems like more money for them considering making cross-platform games is the standard now. Fable on PC for example, that would be a nice treat.
- Especially since many gamers admit to buying the same game on multiple platforms, like buying Dragon Age on both Xbox and PC. Double the profits right?
- Last I read, PC games don't run on PS3.

 

Wasn´t it Microsoft that said they would give Games for Windows Live more attention earlier? I suppose that was just bull from M$.

 

Windows/PC is in direct compettion with console. If you could get every Halo on PC you probaly wouldn't bother with an Xbox and would get a PS3.
Xbox 360 is about controlling the future OS ($) of the living room.
Microsoft approached Sony during the PS2 development days to have ps2 run some sort of windows. Sony declined and went with linux, microsoft went and made xbox. Bill Gates and many others at Microsoft saw the living as the future "computer" market.
If people could play a copy of Halo that looks insanely better and aim much smoother on PC they probaly would.
Also from my personal experince with consoles its all RPG's and FPS's.
Also console destroy pc in multiplayer experince of real time friends, meaning split screen with a friend sitting on the couch right beside you playing halo with you in your living room on surround sound on your big screen

 

Have you been to your local gamestop or any game store? Everyone in my area has a 3ft x 3ft section for pc games. And 3/4 walls for console games. Its a sad day for me as I prefer PC gaming, but it has been coming for a long time now.

 

@ rippeer

In some ways I agree with you.

But here is something to think about. PC Gaming and Console Gaming while both are gaming are not the same activity. There is a lot of good reasons why someone would buy Halo on PC and on Console.

Console when you just want to sit back on the couch relax and play. Console also great when you have friends over. Consoles being in the living room usually with a TV makes it a social interactive gaming system. So it has it's own purpose.

PC gaming would still have it's place when you just want to be alone, just want to play some serious competitive gaming. And PC Gaming isn't going to go away, it's going to remain and continue to have a large following. BC2 is proof enough that there are still tons of PC gamers and proof that players buy BC2 for all both platforms.

 

The computer age started for me with games. I have to agree with liquidxit, it's been a long time coming. It's a shame really.

 

PC's defined the FPS.
I think Kudo is doing the same thing as Cliffy B or at least trying to... hey bad publicity is still publicity right? before today i didn't even know who Kudo was... and i just don't care... really.

honestly if there's any reason whatsoever for a drop in sales for PC FPS, it's because of the crappy console ports we've been getting where its obviously desinged for controllers and not for KB+Mouse.

anyways, how can microsoft even comment on this when they release the same fps on both console and pc... but the pc like 2 years later? do they expect more sales???

 

Or if youre like me and like to game when away from your surround sound and large tv. I am away from my console and TV about 90% of my life. What good does it do for my gaming? Well it wasnt an issue when I played wow, but now I dont get to game all that often due to it. I see how PC is a direct competitor as they both fill the same shoes these days, but they still make money as a console user will buy a computer and a PC gamer typically has a console as well. When I was considered a hardcore gamer I preferred PC and did most of my gaming on that, btu I ALWAYS had a console for certain games.

 

Consoles will never completely take over for gaming. A very large part of the consoles market it younger children and teenagers who have consoles because they cost less than a gaming pc and because theyre what all their mates have. My brother used to play nearly all his games on the Xbox but when he got a new desktop suddenely he stopped playing all his games on the xbox and started to play them on pc and now only play COD MW2 on xbox.

My friend is also another person who changed over from console gaming. He had an Xbox but then got an alienware m15x and since getting it and discovering how good steam is and how cheap the games are in comparison to on the console, he has bought tons of games for his pc and now does a large majority of his gaming on pc.

So i think there are still definitely people who are going from consoles to pc, especially considering that the graphics are noticably better on pc games if oyu have a decent enough pc.

 

That guy's statements are obvious chest beating. He is just blowing his own horn because as the Kinect big boss that is what he's supposed to do, pump 360 (and Kinect).

Yes it's true and hardly a secret, many FPS's have transitioned from being PC developed to being console developed, but that is due to general market shift. However when you make a statement about PC GAMERS not playing FPS on PC anymore... then you are just blowing smoke out of your butt and making yourself look like an idiot.

 

Microsoft has been talking out of both sides of its mouth with regard to PC gaming since at least the first xbox. And before that gaming on the PC seemed more like an accidental success they didn't quite know what to do with. Well, they decided what to do with it, pick it apart and undermine it to boost their thrust into the console space. Forgot what they say, look at what they do and did.

I don't think you really want Microsoft trying hard with PC Gaming though, since they might actually be successful and could potentially do some real damage to the platform that would undermine its strengths.

The PC is changing with large scale development having shifted to the consoles. The PC just doesn't have the same kind of growth, but it still excels at a number of different kinds of titles, is still the better platform for FPS (not the same as most popular!) and RTS, MMO, casual games and gives rise to the most unique indie projects still. However, the platform is probably not the best business target for big media developers.

 

I will agree with what several of you have said on here, its nice to grab my notebook, a mouse, pair of headphones and know that as long as theres a powerplug I can game. Traveling with a 360 is such a pain (man what a pain when you have to drag the screen with you as well)

 

PC gaming will never die, especially RTS, lol imagine playing that on consoles with your 14 button controller @_@

 

yeah, will never happen. look at Steam and all the HL2 games that have huge followings. there are far too many PC users to neglect them.

 

I guess he missed it, when DICE came out and said that there's more people playing Bad Company 2 on PC, than either console.

 

The Kinect guy is just trying to pimp his product. FPS will always be better on the PC. I guess if also helps to define 'Gamer'. MS describes it as anyone who spends money on their product to play games.

360 Gamer = 6 - 25 year old, doesn't care about game quality, just wants to shoot something, possible 420 friendly, needs simplicity, etc.. etc.. etc..

Pc Gamer = 14-infinity year old, detail oriented, requires immersion, desires greater gameplay control, wants to play the game rather than just participate

That's just my .02

Kinect will be standard 360 gamer above... waahooo lets pretend to bowl for a while.

StevenX

 

Its because piracy happens more in PC than consoles , and developers do not need to focus on lots of hardware combinations to make the game run smoothly , consoles only have one spec , so less work on compabilities , more on making the game nicer to play .

but yeah , consoles suck on FPS , mouse > gamepads all the time

 

but the games aren't that nice to play, they're mostly all cookie cutter now.

 

In some ways, developing for the two consoles is more difficult than developing for the PC platform. Certain types of optimizations are abstracted from the developer by using direct x or opengl. For the consoles, they are required to use both (one for each).

Also, most PC games can be targeted for a fast dual core or quad core, whereas the xbox / ps3 must be coded for triple core / six (seven?) cores. Concurrency is very difficult and trying to manage 2-4 cores is easier than 3-6/7.

A lot of the big architectural differences are actually abstracted away from the developers, so from an algorithms perspective the proper difficulty metrics may be different than the gut reaction.

 

Generalize much?

I think you might be wrong in almost every way.

 

I second that you may be about as wrong in your generalizations as is possible.

 

Lets just keep it this way.
PC>PS3>Xbox360 I used to be a ps3 fan and my brother still plays the xbox 360 but once i made my custom desktop... Everything changed.. I came to know the truth that PC IS DA BEST!!!!!

 

...I think rankings like this serve no purpose but to make people mad...

 

why bother...edited reply.. ignore

 

Of course Microsoft wants everyone to migrate to the Xbox. They have so heavily invested in that platform. They promised years ago that they are in this for the long run. I personally hate getting locked down to any specific platform, that's why I never got into console gaming.

 

1. FPS gaming on the PC isn't going to die out... Look at steam and xfire stats and remember that there are even more players playing than those on steam and xfire.

2. Microsoft is just trying to monopolize Xbox.. remember? like with Windows OS?

3. You can't rank consoles, it's purely a matter of preference. I like mouse and keyboard for FPS games, and I have a Wii to play Super Mario Galaxy and Brawl.

4. Masterchef341 made a good point

5. Kudo's is just mad cause most PC gamers pirate games rather than pay for them. It makes sense why he's mad, but him reacting like this is quite foolish.


I wonder why ziddy got banned

 

2. Microsoft is just trying to monopolize Xbox.. remember? like with Windows OS?
- Kudo may be also upset that GFWL never took off on PC. Just read that the next Warhammer should have been expansion but will be standalone because they are abandoning GFWL.

4. Masterchef341 made a good point
- Possibly. But it doesn't seem to matter now as a lot of games use cross-platform engines. It would be one thing if developers used separate engines for each platform. And by the far the most widely used engine now is UE3 and developers should have that down easy for all 3 platforms, be almost automated by now.
- This alone makes console port to PC not being perfected inexcusable.

5. Kudo's is just mad cause most PC gamers pirate games rather than pay for them. It makes sense why he's mad, but him reacting like this is quite foolish.
- The odd part is that pirating games for Xbox is easier than pirating on PC. With PC there is always risk of gettting a virus/malware with the cracks etc. And sometimes the workaround can be quite convoluted. And with so much variation from one PC to the next, forums are always filled with people having problems. Also game files are getting huge and PC game files are generally much larger than 360. Why bother pirating 13GB?
- 360 doesn't even need hardware modifications anymore, just flashing the DVD drive which is super easy.

I wonder why ziddy got banned
- My post in Michael Jackson MMO, which I don't think I can discuss or I'll really be banned ;p

 

Xbox gives MS a firmer grasp on monetary and consumer product control as opposed to the PC's more open nature. If MS loses it's grasp on vital computer software markets, they need a back up. Linux and open source development has made huge headways and seems to be really putting a dent in MS's confidence. I'm all for cross-OS game compatibility, and I'd love to see Window's get sidelined by Linux, even for games. It's only because the DirectX API is so good that gaming has stayed there [Windows].

PC is of course a direct competitor to the Xbox where developers have to pay a royalty fee to MS.

Whether or not the 360 is easier to pirate games for, doesn't change the mentality of developers looking at the PC as the "system for pirates/pirating". Such prejudices can have real roots, but once they are deeply ingrained, it will be hard to get people to change their presumptions about piracy and how bad it has been and can get on non-PC platforms. It's funny how devs never talked about how bad piracy was on the PSP. Then again games are much cheaper to develop for the PSP, so profits are easier to attain, at least when the game is something popular or good. A rarity for the PSP right now.

If you make a good, proper game, people will buy it. Looking back at how APB was received and treated, it's also important for developers to engage and embrace the gaming community. Building rapport with the media and consumer is essential, especially with games that are in the multi-millions in terms of development budgeting. APB failed to do this well ahead of launch, and no one really cared because we didn't know all too much about it. With no one making an impression early with play testing, RTW had no early opinions to work off of in order to smooth out the rough spots. That meant mediocre reviews, and even less care from the gaming community.

 

"- The odd part is that pirating games for Xbox is easier than pirating on PC. With PC there is always risk of gettting a virus/malware with the cracks etc. And sometimes the workaround can be quite convoluted. And with so much variation from one PC to the next, forums are always filled with people having problems. Also game files are getting huge and PC game files are generally much larger than 360. Why bother pirating 13GB?
- 360 doesn't even need hardware modifications anymore, just flashing the DVD drive which is super easy."

Whether it is easier or not, I'm not sure if there's a significant amount of Xbox owners that actually do pirate their games. Personally, I've never heard other individuals talking about hacked games that they got online. I'm not trying to postulate a generalization rather I'm trying to point out that just because pirating on xbox is easier to do doesn't mean that people are actually going to do it. There are some stats out there about pirated PC games, but I really haven't seen any on pirated Xbox games so it's really hard to say the least.