MSI's HD4670 is running in my Acer 5920G

Finally I got my hands over this bad boy

First of all I want to thanks again to EchoShade, this would be impossible without his help. Thanks to MexicanSnake for the photo of the EX625's GPU, which showed clearly that it's an MXM 2.1 Type II GPU. And of course, thanks to TehSuigi for starting this madness at first place - posting pics of neighbour (Turkish) 5920G running HD4650

Now, here it is (sorry for the blurry images, my AF is long gone, dropped my phone more than enough times ):



Installed and ready for action (you can see my custom internal HDD cooling, thanks to moral hazard for the idea and for finding the proper fan, I can write a topic if anyone is interested)



GPU-Z shot: http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/698ch/

And here is what it's capable of - non-overclocked, with every program that I'm using, running in the tray:



Nice isn't it, but the real-world performance is what impresses me. Now I can finally play GTA IV at those settings flawlessly



GRiD, Shift, Bioshock are also running on everything high.

Only downside of the whole thing is that, it's running a lot hotter than my HD3650, even when it was overvolted @ 1,2v and overclocked. I knew that it would bring some hotness, but not that much Now I'm trying to undervolt it. Funny enough the whole laptop acts strange when I run GPU-Z 0.3.3, AMD GPU Clock Tool or ATi WinFlash. It becomes unresponsive and stays like this until I close the program With GPU-Z 0.3.5 there are no such problems. When I'm using RBE 1.22 and start ATi Win Flash from there, it runs without a single problem, funny thing. I tried to modify and flash the vBIOS dump from GPU-Z 0.3.5, but it gives me an error 0FL01. Now I'll try with the vBIOS dump from ATi Win Flash and I hope that it would work this time

I know that quite a lot of you (mostly Acer owners) would like to know from where I get it and for how much, but I have to say - sorry, I can't tell you I wish I could.

This is my 2nd and probably my last GPU upgrade (first was HD3470 -> HD3650), because MXM 2.1 Type II is going for good, or for bad. Anyway, thanks to it, my oldie 5920G would be adequate for yet another year or so

Last, but not the least - MXM FTW!!! Thanks to Acer and MSI, because they are the only affordable brands that fully support it. You can bet that my next lappy would be from one of those brands, though if I rob a bank or something, it would be from Sager

Update 10-14-2009:

I had successfully undervolted it from default 1.2v to 1.1v, and now it hits 90ºC, but most of the time it's between 82ºC~86ºC which is OK for me and far from 100ºC

I had a little fun before settling down at 1.1v. At default voltage (1.2v) I had played a little with the vBIOS and here is the result:



Update 04-14-2011:

First revision of my cooling overhaul is finally finished!

 

Great job triturbo
But as you know many people would like to buy this card and try it to their laptops (including me). I know though it has been tried to the 6930G without success but if we flash the bios, we might be lucky.
That was great news.

 

congratulations!

 

Thats a interesting looking box, did you buy this directly from msi?

 

same question, whom/where did you buy it from?

 

Judging from the photos it seems he got it directly from MSI! Whoa!! How'd you do it triturbo? Cool. I want one already!

Congrats though, I could see that 4670 being a larger-than-life upgrade for my own rig, so I might definitely still go for just the 4650--like a friend of mine Howitzer said, the upgraded processor + GPU might surpass the thermal budget for the laptop.

Questions, though. How hot does your GPU run before and after? Is it hotter than how classic77's was when he first did the upgrade?

Great work! rep added.

 

I would like an email address or phone number that he had to call. If you can order this card, I wonder about ordering other cards from msi....

 

I'm jealous...

 

Thank you all

Sorry, that I have to say it again, but I can't tell you, guys and it's not because of me I hope that you understand.

@nklive - Mine is with MSI vBIOS and as you can see, it runs fine, overheating aside of course. Maybe the problem is elsewhere. We are trying to sort it out with EchoShade

@kisetsu17 - Pretty hot - 100ºC. My HD3650 @1.0v, non-clocked (600e/500m) ran @72ºC and @1.2v, clocked (777e/625m) hits 85ºC.

 

Nah, it works. Just with overheating problems like triturbo said. It peaked at 93C in the 6930G the last time I tried. As for the overheating, I think it's a driver issue since with correct drivers, it runs at 80C load in the EX625. MSI has 32-bit Catalyst 8.8 and those run fine so I'm wondering if those drivers would work better. I'll try it again soon but I need to figure out how to remove that metal plate on the stock GPU so I can use it in the MSI but it seems to be stuck with thermal adhesive or super glue of something. I tried your suggestion triturbo but I'm probably not applying enough pressure to get it off.

 

very nice.

 

Has anyone been able to get anything from the part number?

 

Wow that's hot....But that's possible.

I have to admit that i had lost faith and wasn't expecting to see this anymore after EchoShade's issues ;-).

Even if most of us will never find this particular gpu available, this is interesting.

Congrats guys.

I'll stay with my actual gpu I have almost the same 3dmarks score...OCed but 79°C top.

BTW, the 4670 should score a little more than that, right ???? I saw some some 1280*1024 benchs over 7000 points if i remember well...

You need to find a way to cool it and OC that beast !!!!

 

No, nothing with the part numbers--the only ping is the one from the Marketplace threads lol.

How about using copper shims and stuff, wouldn't it lower temps or anything? Wow, I'm not sure if my laptop could handle that..lol 100*C!

 

Errr...... these temps were with copper shim..........

 

Really? As in add-on shims? Wow, a custom cooling solution might be the only way to go. Hey wait, would the sizes of the laptops affect the peak temps? Or just by a little? 5920G's are 15-inchers, right? ang the 6930G and EX625 are both 16" ones?

 

Well, I had successfully flashed new vBIOS today and now it runs cooler. -0.1v = -10ºC, that means from default 1.2v to 1.1v and from 100ºC to 90ºC. And it just hits 90ºC sometime, most of the time it's between 82ºC and 86ºC, which is OK for me Both measurements (@1.2v and @1.1v) are done after 2 hours of playing GTA IV, it can't go that high in any other game, at least none of the ones I have.

Depends, my CPU is not the fastest around, let's not forget that most of the times HD4670 is coupled with good 1066MHz FSB CPU, my good old 5920G is with Santa Rosa inside, so it's not that bad for 2 and a half year old model

Check and check Here is what I'd achieved today:



I wont push it more anytime soon, since I'm OK even at default clocks, and this was just to see can I hit 8000 Note that, my previous run was with Thunderbird, Skype, One Touch Access and Bluetooth closed, that's why it scored slightly better. You can see my max temps during the 3D Mark run and this at default voltage (1.2v), but it can't be compared to the 2 hours on GTA IV

Sadly. After the undervolt, I'll see if I can make something else to cool even more this bad boy

Correct.

 

nice work! how did you manage to lower the temps?

size does matter lol. but the actually cooling system is far more important. ie fan cfm, the size of the heatsink, and how many heat pipes used, and their length.

 

Nice work. How much is it? $$$

 

Time to undervolt to 1.0V.. 80C ish should be good..

 

sloppy ati, it shouldn't have such a high stock voltage.

 

Lol true that, wonder how well the 4850 undervolts

But fantastic work with the 4670

 

Actually your score is pretty reliable, i checked and the 7600 points score i saw in notebookcheck was with a P8600 and only in 1280*768...from the MSI EX625 test precisely So yeah not bad at all for a 2 and a half year old model !!!!! Not to say great !!!

Nice OC BTW I always kew this baby would hit the 8k

I just love all the crazy upgrade junkies of this forum lol.
Thanks for showing us it's possible.

Have fun with your new gpu

 

nice work,do you use a good thermal paste?for extra cooling.it matters a lot.

 

thats a better 3dmark score than my p-6860 with a 8800m gts. although if i had the same cpu my score would be better.

 

HEY MAN Im very glad to see that you got what you always wanted!!!
I hope that you fully enjoy the new card!!! .

Where did you get the card? I want one soooooooo bad .

 

Using Radeon BIOS Editor, I'd edited the vBIOS with lower voltages, flash and that's pretty much it.

Sorry, I can't tell you.

I did tried, but no luck. Exactly 2 (TWO) minutes of playing on GTA IV and then it BSODed. I guess a little underclocking wold help, but as I said, mid 80s are fine for now (it's not summer anymore, I'll need a heater soon ).

It's like the CPUs. Well, I'm thankful because they give us something to play with. Little tweaking doesn't hurts

-0.1v. This one and HD3650 both are rock solid with -0.1v lowered voltage. HD3650 was pretty stable even with -0.2v (0.9v, its default is 1.1v), but it feels like it lacks power But hey, go ahead and try it

Thanks

I would lie if I say, that I'm not tempted to see how far it would go, but I'll leave it like this for now, it doesn't even has a week in there

Yeah, they were my inspiration

No problems.

I will

MX-2 inside. Maybe I'll try MX-3 soon.

Nice to hear that, but as most of the guys around here would say, HD4670 doesn't like higher resolutions, yours is better there What happened with your 5920G?

Thanks mate, it's finally here and running, and oh boy how it runs Thanks again for the photo, it pointed me to the right direction

 

Maybe it will sound useless to you...

But sometimes to spare my gpu and lower its temps during (long) gaming sessions...I lock my cpu on the 9x multiplier (2,4ghz) which runs fine at 0,925V and i get only 73-75°C for the gpu instead of 78-79°C.

Of course, this wouldn't make sense when playing at cpu intensive games like GTA IV cause you'll lose performances...but in most of the games it's definitely ok cause it doesn't change the framerate at all. I mean, most of them are more gpu intensive.

For example on Batman, i locked my cpu on 1,6 ghz (0,875V) and it didn't change the framerate...just have to determine first if the cpu has an impact on the game you're currently playin'

 

kallogan,that is a great idea,yes i havent though of that,locking the cpu on a lower X can lower temps and dont effect the game in a bad way.

how does the cpu effect the game by the why?what does cpu do while gaming?

sending the keybord,mous movements?other than that isn't it a small task?

 

Dude, thats awsome, congrats!

Maybe I should have waited, lol!

rep'd!

P.S. I think you owe me a thanks too

 

Thanks, Kallogan, I'll give it a go on other games, since the CPU upgrade alone gave me a good 3 or more FPS at GTA IV. The rest of the games are not that hard on the GPU though, but you know - cooler = better

@notebooker-hp - Most of the RTS games are quite CPU demanding, so does GTA IV, it's even recommended to be played on quad-core based systems...

Thanks

It's 50/50 chance you know, sometimes it's for good, sometimes - not. At least you have yours from how much, three months now

Sorry, thank you too, quite a handful of problems were sorted in your topic

 

This is just a tip that can be useful when you plan to play during long sessions...to be sure that the gpu won't hit 90°C+++. Of course, it was more useful before my gpu undervolting ;-).

Another advantage from locking the cpu and gaining some precious degrees is that it can give you room to overclock your 4670, which as you know will give more additionnal performances compared to what you lose from locking the cpu Except maybe in GTA IV and some RTS but these are exceptions.

 

Triturbo, this is quite the accomplishment, but I noticed something even more intriguing.
The card may be from MSI, but the subvendor field in GPU-Z - the one that normally shows the creator of the vBIOS - shows Acer.
Is there some vBIOS trickery underfoot, GPU-Z messing up, or is there really an Acer vBIOS HD 4670 MXM-II in the wilderness?

 

I just realized...I dont have the most powerful (in terms of gaming) 5920g anymore...

 

Thanks

I had noticed this before, when I was experimenting with my HD3650. I flashed and edited vBIOS, with changed vendor from Acer to MSI, and it still shows Acer in GPU-Z And now the story repeats. Maybe it reads the system BIOS, not the vBIOS, I really don't know.

So, it means that is your turn now X9000 and an fitting an MXM-III GPU in there is the way to go I almost bought the first, but I had a trip and the cost of the UPS Express was on the expensive side, so I let it go. I do have plans about the second, but it would be way too expensive, not to mention how hard it would be.

 

hi 3turbo,
i don't understand why u don't tell where you have bought it, and how much u paid it?

 

Congratulations neighbour. Great job, any mechanical cooling modifications? or which thermal paste did u use? Any copper mod, only u.v.?

 

Because somebody might end up in troubles if he does.

 

Indeed.

Thanks Undervolted CPU and GPU, MX-2 thermal paste, copper mod and a custom internal HDD cooling. I'm planing other mods, but I'll see what I can do. Cooler is always better

 

I have a MSI 9600M GT DDR3 in mine, and it also shows Acer in the subvendor field..

 

I love that card. It is in my Ex625 and its great for gaming. I play Aion for hours. Glad to see its working for you.

 

ROFLMAO

Thanks

Strange isn't it I'm still wondering why is that?

Thanks, I love it too. Currently there is nothing better on the market, except 240M, which has similar performance or a little bit better, no one knows for sure I don't care anyway, it runs flawlessly, and it was plug-and-play. 5920G is incompatible with 9600M GT, so it would be even less compatible with contemporary nVIDIA solutions, no one knows for sure though, that's why I choose ATi BTW There is a C90S owner who bought 130M and has incompatibility issues, so that proves my point, I wish him good luck though MXM is nVIDIA's idea so it would be good to work on their compatibility, even though it's not meant for end-user to swap his GPU, but ATi doesn't has such problems...

 

This not a very sensible comment and not to mention very racist.. even if you meant it as a joke....

 

Congrats on the successful install.

Made me think... My ASUS M50SV with a 9500m gs is reported MXM-II, anybody think I could get this card in my pc?

 

What if he was partly right? That's why I laughed so hard

Thanks. Are you sure that it's an MXM and not a flipped MXM GPU? I know that ASUS C90S has MXM in there, but most of the rest has flipped and proprietary designed MXMs (G50Vt/G51 for example). If you are sure and if you find one, which would be very hard (it's easier to get Acer's HD4650 1GB DDR2), it would work... At least it should be. Check my previous response to ChaoticFury09, to see what I mean.

 

I'm guessing that if I take my back panel off my laptop and my gpu/heatsink is staring back at me then my mxm-II is of the "flipped" type? If it is flipped I wonder if there is some kind of adapter that flips it the other way?

Edit:
I looked and it looks like if I were to put that card in mine the gpu would definately face the wrong way. I hope there is a solution for Asus users with flipped mxm types.

 

Do you take offense to it because you don't have one or because you do?

 

Sorry to hear that I guess C90S is one of the very few (if not the only) ASUS laptops that has (normal/real) MXM.

 

It isn't a question of me of having one... i'm an asian so you can understand that the lame joke which you consider is lame is actually offensive to me.

 

Im an asian too, sean, and I think your being sensitive.