Mac running Steam are more powerful

To be fair, even though I hate apple for every ounce of what they are, I wouldn't mind having a laptop that would run for 8 hours.

 

Haha same here. All my friends have macbooks/ macbook pros and I allways rub it in on how much more powerful my 2 year old laptop is. At least my friends have a reason to own macs because they work in TV production and all their video editing software is for mac only I guess.

 

Alex St John doesn't really hate Microsoft.

 

Maybe because he/she prefers OS X over Windows? Different choice of OS does not equal "moronic". Yes the hardware is not as top notch as PC machines, but hardware has gotten so fast for many people this is not a problem for them.

 

And there's plenty of PC alternatives for that.

 

Yeah, try 12 hours and just as capable as any Apple notebook.

 

i`ve been using mac os since elementary and is it just me or does anyone else notice that the os is just.. less intuitive and ergonomic than windows? things like.. the position of the start menu, taskbar, dock, minimize/restore/maximize buttons (which correct me if i'm wrong, maximize isn't even available on macs without extra software)

for example, if i wanted to close a maximized window in windows with a mouse, i would just move my cursor to the top right and click. but if i wanted to close a window in osx, i would have to aim the cursor.. and i believe that with the way our hands are naturally, it is easier to move a mouse to the top right than to the top left

been using macs for a decade now (albeit not much) and i still get frustrated with them

 

The funny thing about that is that Mac's are rarely updated. You get what you get until they get new. Plus, Apple was excited to sell 10 million units last year.

Acer, Dell, and HP totaled nearly 140 million units. So you can claim a "more powerful" computer, but you harvest only a very small fraction of the market. If PC maker concentrated on a few models, they'd probably be more powerful than Mac. I hate articles and claims like that...

 

My only problem with the Macs themselves is the price. The build quality, battery life and performance (for what they have inside, and thanks to the software built specifically for them is relatively excellent). Arguably the software (the OS) can be considered more closed and harder to modify, but realistically, how often or how much does the average user need to do this? Like I said, my only real problem with the hardware is the price. As for the company, the Apple fanatics and Steve Jobs himself........heh heh ha HAAHAAHA don't get me started.

 

I think most of you hate Apple users, not Mac themselves :/ which is acceptable, I guess. So far the reasons given to make the PC look like a better choice are silly at best. Mac computers are really always good products, however you look at it, with the only true drawbacks being price and maybe reliability. There is no PC alternative, because PC's come equipped with Windows and, usually, a bunch of bloatware. Of course, there are alternatives for your needs, but a lot of people simply put their needs aside and want to have a better feeling with their personal computers, even if it means spending 1000$ more. Accept it, for a lot of people, the names Microsoft and Windows are synonymous with buggy software, malware, and blue screens of death, even if security and stability has vastly improved over recent years.

 

moronic = people who buy Apple because it's apple, not because they need it ...

reasons enough to buy PC : Cheaper, more reliable, better support, better choise, upgradable, stability, more software, gaming, Tweaking, Overclocking, the list is endless, but the most important reason is that you don't look like a moronic stupid rich kid with no computer knowledge at all

oops, i guess I do truly hate Apple and not the user

 

When you run the smug smear campaign like Apple did and repeat the same damn dirty lie over and over and over, eventually you'll begin to convince a few weak minded people. The only reason Macs "seem" more reliable is because with only 7% of the market, it's problems compared to the widely used PC seem smaller than they truly are.

Also, Mac users have this crazy ability called DENIAL and will never acknowledge the slightest imperfection or fault of their machines.

Want to know what the average Mac users attitude is? Perfect example of what I am talking about Mac User

 

I have a cousin--any maybe a brother--who might be jumping on a Mac because of the "it looks cool" and "it's easy to maintain" reason. I've tried showing them some superior, cheaper PCs, like the Asus U30JC, but all I'm getting is a patronizing laugh and "oh, you're so anti-Mac". And the people in question aren't particularly wealthy to begin with. The $400 or so they'll save would be real helpful. (Plus getting them to buy a U30JC would help out a favorite reseller than I'm fanboying, but that's besides the point.)

Help me, Former Apples Anonymous.

 

~6 in reality - which is achievable by a Sony, Lenovo, etc etc with the right power combo.

To everyone who raves to me about Apple battery life, I have to ask - why the hell is it that when I have an Apple with me, it's the only time I have to carry an external battery?

 

What was Valve thinking providing software for people who can't think for themselves and with a brain size of a peanut?

This is hilarious, what a moron. This exemplifies why I think majority of Mac users I've met are idiots.
- Goes to a blog to download Steam...
- Tries to run Portal while it's still downloading
- Oh no, the game colors are the way developer created them. I guess he was too inept to change the in game video settings himself.
- Was unable to click on Library or Community tabs.

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I agree
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Ok, rephrase, I wish my laptop would run for 8 hours. I've yet to see a 17 incher windows laptop run that long.

However I do also hold the opinion that most mac users are quite incompetant (I almost typed incontinent ) with the whole PC thing. They see anything which requires a choice or some simple common sense and panic/blame the software developer.

I'd say I dislike both the apple user and apple themselves, the user for being an incomptetant sheep simply following the flock while blankly stating that macs are better and going into denial when faced with figures and apple as a company for simply being tards, for lack of a better word.

 

Mac bashing is so much fun ...

 

Try working ITS at a university when the iPad first came out. That was horrible.

 

I feel for you, dude.

 

#1 reason when I see a college student with a Mac. I just ask casually, wow, every student I've seen lately has a Mac. Why is that?
- I really jumped for the free iTouch promotion! A $300 promotion, don't you think that's a great deal?

My thought, $1,800 for a notebook and you can get a iTouch on ebay for $100. Hmmm....

It does equate to moron. Here is a scenario that occured at work.

We have a worker who uses Photoshop and InDesign as he designs advertisement we sell to post in the only bi-lingual Chinese/English newspaper in New England.

ME: I ask him, wow, don't have Photoshop CS4 yet? Did you check out CS5? It's just been released recently.
HIM: Oh, my old Macbook Pro can't handle CS4, nevermind CS5
ME: Sounds like it's time to upgrade!
HIM: I just finished my degree and don't make enough between bills, rent and college loans
ME: Notebooks capable of running CS4/CS5 are cheap now, you'd be surprised.
HIM: But they aren't Apple.
ME: Oh so you like the Mac OS? That's cool. I saw on Apple's store you can buy that for I think $150. It's decently affordable. Just install that on a cheap Notebook. On forums I've read people installing Mac OS on even netbooks.
HIM: But it's not an Apple.
ME: Yes I know. But there was a promotion recently where users bought a HP Envy 15" for $900. This notebook looks as great as a MBP and just as thin. That's half the price a MBP with almost twice the hardware. Faster HDD, Quad Core (MBP i7 is a dual core) and HD5850/HD5830. This is a beast and just install Mac OS on it.
HIM: But it's not an Apple
ME: Yes I know but what you really want is the OS I think since that's what you are used to.
HIM: But it's not an Apple
ME: Right, but you do realize Apple doesn't make notebooks. It's just a brand, they don't even design it.
HIM: I know, but it's an Apple.

I give up at that point.

 

My first time using OSX, it crashed. All it would do is bounce the little icons around.

 

Well i can get an Acer Timline X which can do 8 hours too on windows... macs can barely do 5 on windows and only 8 on crap Mac OSX...

What's ITS lol?

I agree.. Some ppl just don't have brain's to think..

 

Hey, they were also giving away a free HP printer valued at $50 with that. NOW THAT'S A DEAL!1 I'LL TAKE NINE!!! Heh heh, iTouch. Kinky.

Information Technology Services. Basically idiots call you when something doesn't work with their computer.

 

Quick! What's your number?

 

TBH, I have nothing against Macs. If people choose to use another OS, that's fine. It's not a horrible OS, it's not for me, but not bad. The hardware isn't terrible either, but it's not superior to anything you can get with Windows for the same price (probably less).

I dunno. I don't get where the Mac user attitude comes from. It's like they belong to a club that nobody else can join. Sorry, everyone can join, they just choose not to. You don't hear this crap from Linux users.

 

About a 100 years ago, Bungie, a mac only game software company, released a cool shooter called Marathon. A huge thread soon started.. u guessed it; Doom vs Marathon

The only thing that's changed is the names

 

It does equate to moron. Here is a scenario that occured at work.

We have a worker who uses Photoshop and InDesign as he designs advertisement we sell to post in the only bi-lingual Chinese/English newspaper in New England.

ME: I ask him, wow, don't have Photoshop CS4 yet? Did you check out CS5? It's just been released recently.
HIM: Oh, my old Macbook Pro can't handle CS4, nevermind CS5
ME: Sounds like it's time to upgrade!
HIM: I just finished my degree and don't make enough between bills, rent and college loans
ME: Notebooks capable of running CS4/CS5 are cheap now, you'd be surprised.
HIM: But they aren't Apple.
ME: Oh so you like the Mac OS? That's cool. I saw on Apple's store you can buy that for I think $150. It's decently affordable. Just install that on a cheap Notebook. On forums I've read people installing Mac OS on even netbooks.
HIM: But it's not an Apple.
ME: Yes I know. But there was a promotion recently where users bought a HP Envy 15" for $900. This notebook looks as great as a MBP and just as thin. That's half the price a MBP with almost twice the hardware. Faster HDD, Quad Core (MBP i7 is a dual core) and HD5850/HD5830. This is a beast and just install Mac OS on it.
HIM: But it's not an Apple
ME: Yes I know but what you really want is the OS I think since that's what you are used to.
HIM: But it's not an Apple
ME: Right, but you do realize Apple doesn't make notebooks. It's just a brand, they don't even design it.
HIM: I know, but it's an Apple.

I give up at that point.




So you know someone who is a dedicated apple slave, how on earth does that make your point?

I bought my ASUS G71 because I needed it for more heavy lifting than my Macbook could provide. I do however do quite a few non-heavy tasks on my Mac. How is it moronic for me to be doing such light stuff on my mac?

That person in your example doesn't apply for all. Same could be said for Linux. I have friends all the time telling my other friends to dump Windows 7 for Ubuntu. They then repeat the same argument you put it "it's not windows" and it goes on same as yours from there.

 

Except when I say: "But linux can't play all the games.", they would shut up.

 

LOL, more to life then games

Not that I don't game a ton myself

 

pffft. I see you playing BF:BC2 on steam all the time. You don't need my number.

 

Just so I can get clarification, is it legal to install OSX on a non-Apple computer? I notice that whenever such discussion takes place on this forum one admin or another shuts it down immedately because they say it's illegal.

But you're suggesting to a professional graphics worker who's employed by a company to install OSX on a non-Apple computer

So are you suggesting he do something illegal (which is a violation of EULA and could get him and company into some trouble if anyone finds out) or is OSX open to non-Apple platforms now?

 

I have a feeling an admin is going to close this topic rather soon for that reason plus the way in which this discussion has devolved away from the original topic.

I think the performance of games will improve on Mac as drivers improve, and Valve and other developers figure out OSX. I would be interested to see what a similar benchmark looks like in 6 months to 1 year, specifically if there has been any improvement.

 

add to that the fact that there are no osx drivers for the 5xxx series of cards, and you have yourself a complete recipe for failure.

 

It's a stupid article.

 

Technically, Apple's User License Agreement says you must install MacOS on an Apple-branded piece of hardware.
However, the legality of that agreement is indeed somewhat dubious.

If Microsoft were to develop a hardware platform and change windows so that ONLY their hardware would run it, you KNOW there would be a anti-trust case milliseconds after it was announced.

Legal issues aside, it is also dubious suggesting as a professional something which is entirely unsupported for business use. Even if you won a court case revolving around using macOSX on a non-apple piece of hardware, the actual compatibility and guaranteed function of such a melding would be tenuous at best. Placing your trust in such a combination enough to bet your career or perhaps your ability to put food on the table is at best unwise.

 

I can tell you as a business user that I broadly concur, as much as I would like to run OS X on hardware that's something other than the (barely) consumer crap that Apple churns out.

Hopefully that's the end of that fork in the thread.

 

yea it's getting boring, let's get back to mac bashing

 

At least we are safe in the notion that with their current marketing tactic, apple will never be bigger than microsoft. Marketing as "the hip underdog" doesn't work once you're no longer said underdog so they'd have to change their marketing tactics.

Secondly, a large part of the reason why people buy apple products is simply the supposed prestige that comes with it and as a fashion statement since apple products cost a fortune. If apple were to ever become more mainstream and overtake microsoft then the whole "I'm an apple guy sitting in starbucks on my macbook, I'm only here so you can watch me write and see how succesful I am" thing would no longer apply.

 

Just because it's a User License Agreement doesn't mean it's necssarily a legal binding document. It just says those are the company's rules for use of that software. If I put in there that by installing this software you sign over the rights to your life's savings, that doesn't mean you're going to jail if you don't comply.

I don't understand how all these details get in there and think especially for games, that users need to read all that detail. It's a game, let alone think its legaleze makes it a prosecuting offense if you fail to comply. Just put four or five dot points for the actual LEGAL aspects, like "Don't copy and distribute this product for profit or free". Don't include eight pages of garbledy gook that your average teenager has no clue about.

Back to the original point, I really don't think it's "illegal" to install OSX on a PC. It's just not supported by Apple. Are the cops going to come and arrest you? No. Can you be sued for it? No. It's just Apple wagging their finger at you saying, "no, no, no" like you're a dog that just stole a hamburger off the table. They won't offer support if anything goes wrong, basically.

 

My pitchfork or yours?

RE: all the stuff above, it's a EULA violation. It's not 'illegal' but it does mean that you agree not to use the software since the use is governed by EULA (In our testing case, we covered this by buying a dedicated Mac for each EULA violation). There are ways around it, but ultimately it's kind of pointless.

This point is rigorously enforced as 'illegal' by Mac fanatics while recommending you buy OEM copies of Windows to Boot Camp Talk of this over, OK?