Major blow for Nvidia vs. ATI

Nvidia's multi-thousand dollar Tesla GPGPU system is only half as fast as a Radeon HD5970:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/17/graphic_cards_password_recovery/

 

Hmm, might have to reconsider which GPU to get when I build my next computer.

Hopefully Nvidia will come up with something, they always do. (Atleast I like to think that).

 

I have a good idea: TWO Teslas!

That'll show 'em.

 

It is odd to see NVidia trail ATi for so long. And they are getting hammered in the desktop budget and high end segment.

 

Made me Lol.

Ya, I know. Been a die hard Nvidia fan for a long time, never thought I would see the day I would be deciding to go to ATI (even though I like them to).

 

I don't care too much so long as ATI don't rest on their laurels and continue to come up with the goods.

 

how do you use a graphics card to crack passwords?! wow, I didn't even know that was possible, lol!

 

It doesn't mention the Tesla system is fermi based so I don't see any major blows here

 

GPGPU. It's the new rage.

Really you don't see it? HD5970 $600. Nvidia Tesla $10,000. Seriously don't see it?

 

well then I say lets get 10 5970's and still have cash for beer. Nvidias enterprise board sure takes a beating in the cost/performance now

 

Nvidia has a lot of fanboy and blindly believers. I expected and calculated it.
ATi needs to fight with Nvidia always. If not, the price of Nvidia will be even higher than it's current state.
If you all take notice, ATi always cheaper than Nvidia.

 

Same thing with AMD and Intel. Except Intel can usually make a quick turnaround when they make a misstep (Pentium 4). I'm interested in what Nvidia is going to do when/if Fermi flops here.

 

I didn't read that article thoroughly.
A Tesla S0170 is 4 GTX 280 so ouch that really hurts Nvidia.
About the price comparison, it's true the performance-wise, ATI wins. However, the cards are made for different markets, aren't they? And the level of customer service will be different IMO. For home user it might be fine, but for large corporate would they be ok with waiting a month for another driver to get sth done.
It's just my 1p. Feel free to enlighten me.
Edit: This is only one application, unless every GPGPU software out there show the same thing, it doesn't prove anything.

 

This is really pointless and not an indication of ANYTHING. By the same token I could say Nvidia GPU's are twice as fast as ATI's because Nvidia GPU's do protein folding so astoundingly better. I'm talking mid level Nvidia cards doing WAY better than top of the line ATI cards, and the top level Nvidia cards light years ahead of ATI. Of course all of this really has no bearing whatsoever on graphics performance.

 

Did Nvidia Fanboy know the Geforce GTX285 got beaten up by Radeon HD5850 which is way cheaper than Geforce GTX285 itself? LOL.

I know Nvidia Fanboy love to tell PhysX. OMG. Out of millions of games, only a few can utilize it. Most games have their own specific Physics Calculation Engine, they don't need to waste time on PhysX.

I sound like ATi Fanboyism though. But, I am telling the truth and facts.
Honestly, I am a CHEAPO(BEST BANG FOR BUCKS) Fanboy. Which thing is cheaper with good performance/quality, that's my favourite.

We can't let Nvidia win the "game", if not, you will see larger numbers on Nvidia GPU price tag.

 

okay this loses me completly, in the desktop market Nvidia cant even compete in the Low, mid OR high end cards for speed ATI has every card countered atleast once.

Desktop cards now have DX11, and are running cool and power efficeint .. but yet here we are still waiting for Fermi ( next week ) which we estimate will be a huge power hog and quite a toasty chip, and lets face it I cant see it being CHEAP.

in the laptop market ATI seems to have ALL bases covered quite well, and are still running cooler and more power efficient but I really cant see Nvidia having ANYTHING for the mobile market untill fall at earliest.


NOW we have the big ATI CONSUMER GPU unit kicking the snot out of Nvidia's $10,000 enterprise board MADE for computational work.

Sorry pal right now nVid better haul up their sleeves and get some serious work done because in my books it looks like they need to catch up in all market segments and quit rebranding old equipment. and PLEASE nvidia FIX your own darn drivers, now you are putting out bad drivers like ATI used to years ago.

Will Fermi be the answer ... I doubt it, it may be impressive as heck but what good is a chip that may be coming out almost a generation too late and quite possibly way too over priced. that and I am certain than the laptop OEMS will be eyeing the ATI 5000 series and possibly upcomming 6000 series very closely for their power consumption and thermals. battery life and heat are now the BIGGEST factors in the laptop market

 

I am not a NVidia fanboy. The only video cards I have bought in the last year were an HD4850, HD4890, and HD4770. And a laptop I bought in August had ATI graphics too. The last time I bought a Nvidia card was in 2006!

All I am saying is that this computational work on the graphics card does not translate to graphics performance. It really doesn't at all. Graphics cards are not built to do this. F@H is another type of computational program but it favors Nvidia GPU architecture by a wide margin. Just because someone runs some software program in which one architecture leaves another in the dust doesn't mean anything and is of no use in comparing between the two graphics card companies. Depending on the kind of work being done and the way the code is written, there can be an enormous difference.

Of course nobody here actually listens to my argument or what I am trying to say but just bash me for being a Nvidia fanboy.

I am not talking to any of that. All I am saying is that no conclusions can be drawn from some Russian password cracking software benchmark on the company's own site other than performance in that specific program.

And of course for at least several generations now ATI cards have been using less power and smaller dies. Everyone keeps acting like the writing is on the wall for Nvidia, but it isn't. The Radeon 9000 series and the geforce FX that was supposed to challenge it threw Nvidia a curve ball it took two years to come back from. These things have been going back and forth for over ten years now since 3dfx went bust and Nvidia absorbed them.

 

Personally I think it's not the cards from Nvidia or ATi that are the problem. The problem lies with game developers and Nvidia's tactics. No gamer or consumer should be penalized because they have an Nvidia or ATi GPU.

 

but come on dude, half the power of the 5970 and the 5970 is bloody retail, in most people's reach, and what nVidia's leading computing GPU has half the power to crack passwords and it starts at 10 grand? That's a pretty big fail for the technologists over at nVidia.

 

I just buy what ever is the best lol...poor AMD good thing ATi is keeping them afloat.

 

I thought that with the Professional Grade NVIDIA equipment, of course you're paying for the H/W, but a significant chunk of the cost is for software development/drivers that are highly specialized to the Tesla Hardware. Like with the Quadro cards. They're basically a premium version of the consumer grade with Certified Professional Grade Drivers and the drivers are what costs so much. While I don't think ATI offers anything like Tesla...

 

Just another power shift IMO. Nvidia will eventually come around and I'm not saying this as a fangirl of any side, but as a consumer who hopes the competition will stay so prices and products will continue coming out

 

Yeah power shifts occur many times...and I like when it happens.

 

It's not the new Fermi architecture:

But it is surprising that the Tesla, which is built to be a GPU-based computing beast, lost that badly to a consumer-grade display card such as the 5970.