Mobile Pascal TDP Tweaker Update and Feedback Thread

Upped tdp to and using a +185 on core still saying it's not going over 60w power. This is really weird. Core is at 2037 too. Perf limit is vrel at 1.050

 

Starting to think this is a driver issue now. I am using 417 prema drivers but I was able to get great results so ima chalk this up to a win

 

Hey guys, do we have any links to the hardware needed to flash the GPU with a higher limit?

Im re-reading the thread but would like to order the parts in the meantime so I can try this out when I have the time. Reading the thread between two jobs is going to take a while, but if I remember right so will shipping on the clip or 1.8v adapter.

Is this programmer still adequate?

https://www.amazon.com/WINGONEER-hi...=1498254746&sr=8-1&keywords=skypro+programmer

Where could I get the 1.8v adapter and clip?

Apologize in advance if its already listed in the thread somewhere, posting this in between jobs

Thanks guys

 

The wingoneer 1.8v adapter and Pomona 5250 clip and male to female jumper cables are all on amazon still

 

The 1.8v adapter seems to be unavailable at present unless I am looking at the wrong one?

https://www.amazon.com/WINGONEER-ad...pter&qid=1552185716&s=gateway&sr=8-1-fkmrnull

 

https://www.amazon.com/ARCELI-Adapter-Motherboard-Programmers-ezp2010/dp/B07BP51J2M/

it's the exact same thing.
WIngoneer just sells it. they don't build it

For jumper cables, get these.
https://www.amazon.com/CPT-063-Test-Clip-SOIC8-Pomona/dp/B00HHH65T4/

 

You could get the ch413a programmer and a clip and that's all you need. Can confirm

You shouldnt spend 30 bucks on something that is outdated and when something can be used that is cheaper, surprisingly it works on our mobo bios too

 

Is there something like this for turing cards?

 

I have a little question with the 1080 max q alienware 15.

What do you think should be a safe present for the 1080 max q? Vrm design seems to be equal than the 1070.

First picture: 1070 Motherboard
Second picture: 1080 Motherboard


What do you guys consider to je safe limits and maximum for this bga?




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Maybe 1080 MB has different semiconductors in VRM, rated for higher currents, with lower losses.

 

What would you consider to be safe limits? 1080 limits should be higher than 1070 in my opinion..

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difficult to say. ud have to look up the SKU of the chokes and mosfets, dig up their data sheets online and then calculate the amperage theyre able to deliver, in dependency of their temperature.

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Thank you all !!!

Amazing.

I have to happily say that the Nvidia TDP flash with programmer went without any problems, I went to max. 130W during testing max. draw on GPU and max. 88C (!) on GPU temperature in process.

Power limit slider in MSI Afterburner is now unlocked and works.

The card still down-clocks by 13 Mhz every few celsius (not as agressively as before), however I have not seen power limit flag and down-clocks in very complex game graphical situations, where I used to stutter, now all is smooth.

Also, where I was 55-58 FPS I am now 60 FPS (with framerate cap+no V sync.)

My (tested stable) current MSi afterburner values went form 1703/ +400/ 0.812V/ 75C max. to 1843/ +400/ 0.850V/ 70C max. Yes, the temperature value is correct. No clue. Fans the same RPM as before flash.

Will test this a bit more, because all seems too good to be true. I am on latest XtremeG laptop driver XG 419.67 Mobile CRD WIN10 x64 (definitely keeper, games play smooth and stable.).


I am waiting to receive a 330W PSU soon, so then I will have some more 'no worries about 180W PSU' headroom. I have no battery discharge during games. I turned BD PROCHOT in TS back on for safety of Nvidia VRMs, but saw no CPU clock drops under 3400 Mhz.

I realised I have 2 nvmes each goes to 10W during full load, CPU 35W running between 3400-3800 Mhz in games, GPU spiking to 130W, wireless headphone USB 'stick', pretty hungry screen, default fans, 32 Gig memory ...
all this wants power. I am sure if i cancel all undervolts, my PSU would die pretty soon, or I would get system stability issues.

Total investment: all ordered from within Europe: 47,70 EUR 330W PSU, 22.89 EUR Board clip, 96.25 EUR programmer, 12.48 adapter 1.8 V. I could get all this stuff cheaper from China (also Europe), but delivery end of April is nonsense. Took 4 days to get everything.

Total: 180 EUR incl. post.


Thanks @Coolane, @hans12321 (this guy is dope) and all people in this forum.

 

@Coolane , Just tried the new version of your Pascal Tweaker, modded my firmware and flashed it via Hardware programmer but got a blank screen checked the file and the returned 4E56.

Normally it goes to 55AA but it stayed at 4E56 which meant the top header was still there which is what is more likely causing the blank screen just thought i'd let you know.

Thought i was lucky and would be able to at last change the FF part of the Device Sub System ID string but nope. Nice work as always.

 

1. Remove everything before 55AA using any hexeditor
2. Use the tool to correct checksum
3. Flash it again.

 

That might work, however that will reset the Device Sub-System ID string from 1462 11FF to 0000 0000, so i am trying to get 1462 11FF to 1462 11AF (save modding gpu drivers) whilst also having the mods for Temp and Power, but hey if i RTFM rather then heading in blind i would of noticed i had to correct the checksum to which i have done as my original checksum for stock was 27489750 whilst my modded vbios was 27489590 which is once fixed -160 offset.

So once i get more Thermal paste (did all this without check i had some kyronaught) as i am currently running on some 10 year old Thermal Take TG2 (seems a little better must be matures with age thing), and i will then recheck it again.

But thanks for the reply, i just got to remember to RTFM rather then jumping in blind.

 

Hello together!

I am new to this forum and very interested in your work, you guys seem to know a lot and just by reading ( the entire thread ) i learned quite a bit!

I own a Asus ROG GL702VM with Intel Core i7-6700HQ and a GTX 1060 6GB ( integrated )

In Stock Condition this thing is almost dying from heat and throttles like crazy, but as an old modder, i got it down to max 50°c in idle and 65°-70°c under heavy gaming.

I undervolted CPU and GPU ( Throttlestop and Afterburner ), i repasted with liquid metal and new pads, i did some modding to the case for additional airflow, added two tiny fans in the case and additional
cooling fins to CPU / GPU and the VRAMs

Now what I noticed is that the GPU throttles in many games, even if i only let it use 1720 Mhz at 800mv.

Runs stable, but in some games ( in my special case it was Conan Exiles ) there are framedrops.

The Temps are fine, so i started to look for other reasons and stumbled across this thread.

There is my reason for the framedrops - power throttling! (checked it with the afterburner)



Now what i did so far:

I read the vbios with NVFLASH and saved it ( 3 times, with a reboot inbetween to make sure )

I read the vbios with GPU-Z and saved it ( 3 times, with a reboot inbetween to make sure )

I checked the Chip number with NVFLASH - it's a Winbond W25Q80EW - and located it on the mainboard

I used my CH341A (black) to read and save the vbios ( 3 times - attached the clips new inbetween to make sure)


1st thing:

vbios from NVFLASH and GPU-Z are the same size(253kb) and *.rom - the CH341A gave me *.bin with different size (1024kb)

2nd thing:

the CH341A didn't seem to detect the chip ( i tried different software versions - 1,4 ( some 1,31 mod ? ) gave me the *.bin

3rd thing:

no matter what vbios (all of them ) i open with the tweaker ( v1.1.3.0 ) it says "unsupported" but knows the gtx 1060


Thats my current stand.

What do you guys think about it?
Any tips / ideas ?
Did i do something wrong?


thanks for reading

 

You have black pcb CH341A?

 

Yes, CH341A pro

 

First of all make sure you're connect clip to connector correctly (see attached picture). Then make sure jumper on programmer is on pin 1 and 2.

 

i double checked the connection, i think it's ok ? your screenshot shows the 25Q80V, but the W25Q80EW isn't available for me. What version of the programm is that?

also if the file was corrupted, would the tweaker show the 1060 ?

 

I've used this video tutorial for setting up programmer.
In description there's all necessary files. My program version is 1.18. Also I didn't use 1.8v adapter. Connected W25Q80EW BIOS chip through Pomona clip directly to programmer.

I've used W25Q80BV setting in program since EW isn't available for me either. Though there's almost no difference between those chips and CH341A works with both.

Also I've modded 1070 mxm version. Used NVFlash to get VBIOS version from card and VBIOS Tweaker to mod it (just used preset setting).

I think at first you should try to get program successfully detect and read that chip. When you do that, open VBIOS that you read using NVFlash and VBIOS that you read using programmer. Try comparing your VBIOS with different 1060 VBIOS. Maybe they differ a lot and VBIOS Tweaker isn't compatible with yours.

 

Thank you!

i watched it ( hope my english isn't as bad as this guys ... ) but you were right! I connected it the wrong way!

Are you sure about the 1,8v adapter ? Because NVflash detects the W25Q80EW needs 1,65-1,95v and the CH341A by default uses 3,3 - 5v right ? i don't want to fry anything

 

When I tried to use 1.8v adapter I couldnt detect my chip. You could try with adapter. If it wont work try without one.

 

The spec sheet of the chip will tell you what programming voltage it expects.

 

so I connected it properly ( thank you LumIx! ) and the programm version 1.18 for CH143A detected the W25Q80V ( not the W25Q80E ) i was able to extract a vbios, but the tweaker still says its unsupported...

I used the 1,8v adapter because the chip says 1,65v - 1,95v

does this somehow look correct? can anybody check ?

http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=00711841004457390165

 

I think you problem is that Pascal tweaker thinks it is desktop gpu. https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/206945/206945
You could try to flash other VBIOS with same Device ID.

 

Hi all. I followed the messages posted in this forum for a while and finally, I decided to make the most of my Gtx1070 for laptops.

I have a GT72VR 7RE laptop and I bought the following products:

https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B07K58FVC3/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B07GFSX5S7/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B07DJ5564F/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B07DJ4X4MZ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1

This week all the products will arrive. Using the tool created by Coolane, everything seems simple enough. I probably only have one big question ...

I have seen that the configuration with the "Preset" button increases the TDP limit to 215 W. Do you think it will be possible for my laptop to work without problems with this new Bios? Or maybe I need a new power adapter with more power?

Thank you!

 

Preset for 1070 is 150-170w adjustable. Definitely not 215w

 

Newer version of the tweaker sets it to 215W with the higher extreme limit 1 (to allow for higher than 200W) if you use preset.

 

Your CPU is going to throttle hard if you use a 215W TDP and your battery will drain by about 10%/30 minutes, because of the EC enforced 230W system draw limit, which will forcibly throttle the CPU (even down to 800 mhz) if 230W of total system power is exceeded. Installing a 330W power supply would stop the PSU from actually tripping (it would trip at about 280W from the wall), but it won't prevent the throttling problem at all as it's caused by the EC. I would not go past 150W for this reason unless you can do the below test.

You can try downloading RW Everything, if you insist on using 215W TDP, and in the EC hex table window, go to Embedded controller register E3 and increase the value in that register by 1, e.g. 20 to 21, 10 to 11, etc, and see if that helps you out. if it does (if the CPU no longer throttles with a 215W TDP set when you are gaming, and the battery no longer drains by 10%/30 minutes, then good), then the 330W power supply would indeed help you here.

Increasing the value in EC RAM register E3 by 1 will only work if your GT72VR 7RE has an unused GTX 1080 power ID (which is usually one value above the GTX 1070 power ID) in EC register E3. In the GT75VR, it's 80 for GTX 1070 and 91 for GTX 1080, and in GT75 Titan, it's 10 and 11 again (like it was in GT73VR skylake version).

 

why would a 330W psu trip at 280W pulled from the wall?

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thank you again!

I tried to open this version with the tweaker, and it shows the same values as my vbios and also says it's unsupported.

Maybe you're right and it thinks that it's a Desktop GPU - limited to 78W..

Is there a chance that the tweaker will support it?

 

Thank you very much Falkentyne! effectively in the memory of the GT72VR it is possible to see the same value as in GT75 Titan and GT73VR skylake. Surely this weekend I can do some test. I will start with the Stock Power Adapter (230W) and lower the TDP to those mentioned in previous versions of the "Mobile Pascal TDP Tweaker" application, to see if I can maintain stability while the GPU is running.

 

Typical MSI and cancer firmware! You can also ask yourself why DELL only let you pull 240w from an single 330w Psu

 

I was talking about the 230W PSU.

 

i tried something with the bios you linked - before I flash it would be great if you could have a short look at it. just to be sure..

http://s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=57152875441404391731

also: would the bios of a MXM card work out with an integrated card?

 

On my mxm card from China, the chip is an integrated chip slapped on an mxm card so idk

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how do you know its an integrated chip? ID numbers ?

 

Yup. I have a integrated 1060 msi chip on my 980m mxm board. It's like the way they've been putting bga processors on desktop platforms

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i see - and you were able to mod the integrated chip with the tool?

 

Yup, but something is making it stuck staying at 1.050 voltage and wont go past that. Even after the tdp mod.

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mhm better than nothing i guess

the tweaker says my bios is unsupported, but knows the 1060 and shows the tdp - it can mod and save it. But i'm a little afraid to flash it because i'm not even sure if i extracted the original bios correctly..

is there a way, besides to open it in the tool, to make sure the original bios i extracted with the HW programmer is correct ?

 

You shouldnt need to save it with the hw programmer, just flash it.

They way you save it is using nvflash. It can save. Just not flash

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i did both - the reason why i want to make sure the HW programmer extracted correctly is to make sure its working as intended, i don't want to brick my laptop and end up ordering and waiting for another programmer maybe i'm a little too carefully..

 

You can use the hw programmer software to confirm it got all of the bios correctly or even hxd to check

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mhm when the first lines from the NVFLASH extract and the HW extracted Bios are identical, would that mean it worked?

edit.

ah ok HxD did the check. compared it, they are identical


Thank you very much my friend, you helped me a lot!

 

I have the same problem with SkyPro... any solution?

 

it worked!


I wasn't able to mod my original Bios ( unsupported ) so i tried a different one from a Clevo card and set the tdp to 95.

My card is integrated, i think i read something on one of the 180 pages that 95 is the limit... i dont want to kill it.

I'm still benchmarking and looking for the sweet spot, but one thing is for sure: no more power throttling while gaming!



Thanks for your help guys!

 

Is 1.05V the normal voltage max on the 1060? On the GP104 1070/1080 its 1.062V and there's absolutely no way around it.