Mobile Pascal TDP Tweaker Update and Feedback Thread

Have you tried overclocking your 1060? 120-140W should be plenty for 2 GHz without any problems.

 

It doesn't help my Passmark test scores, i know that when i flashed a higher boost clock-bios (1848mhz, on my previous gpu 1060 3gb with stock 1709 mhz) my passmark score jumped up from 9000 to 9500. Increasing the boost clock is more stable and gives higher test scores than just overclocking.

 

nice work!

how do you keep your temps that low? did you do some long term tests?

when i get to 1v the temps explode...

 

I have a Palit brand card, they are generally low temp watt/volt cards. I don't touch voltage, increasing it doesn't improve performance in newer cards because of different scaling or something, volt increase mostly helps in older cards.

 

hm i guess i have to build a custom cooling pad for my asus to get some more speed... i already pushed the limits for this machine

new project - new fun ;-)

 

Oh i have a desktop gpu, but you can go to techpowerup.com and try to find a low watt/volt unverified vbios for your card with the highest boost clock you can find (i don't know if they have laptop-vbioses though), so you don't have to overclock. How did you push your machine to the limits, do you have custom bios with optimal settings? What card do you have?

 

it's a GL702VM with gtx1060 6gb

i modded the case for more air intake
added two extra internal fans
repasted with liquid metall
untervolted cpu & gpu
custom fan curve
have a custom bios flashed to the gpu and overclocked it to roughly 1900@925mv
it uses around 90-100watt - so there's some room for more.

it runs smoth and stable without any throttling at all - but after a few hours of intense gaming i get close to the 80°c

it was fun to reach this point, took me several month - but i'm hungry for more

 

So when you run your modded stuff through Passmark performance test what's your results compared to stock?

 

oh compared to stock it' huge, about +25% in general i'd say. Asus did a realy bad job with the cooling...

the throttling was real bad, the geforce could barley hold 1400mhz plus the CPU throttled as well

 

maybe someone by any chance has baidu account and could download and reupload 1060 vbios? can't register there because my country is not on the list. http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5230416822?see_lz=1&pn=4#

 

Something like this?

 

looks interesting - i guess it will be pretty much like that.

i'm planning two fans for intake and one to suck hot air out of the case. I often game with friends on the sofa, so want it to be comfortable too.

I will build it completely from the scratch, just for this specific Laptop - like a docking-station.

 

Is this 88W clevo vbios for 1060 which can be flashed with nvflash on MSI laptop?

 

Lol I just turn the fan to max when gaming, otherwise temps will hit 80C. Nope, I just game on it, and as long as it's stable I'm satisfied. My current settings are core clock 2025 MHz and memory clock 4350 MHz. Anything higher and my game would crash after a while. I can keep my power around 100-110W for lower temps, which is nice.

I think the culprit is power, not voltage for the high temps. I can hit 1v on both 80W and 120W but the temps are vastly different.

Do you use a laptop cooler?

 

yeah, 88w one. not so sure about msi laptop. I found 88w but only with g-sync , I need without g-sync and can't find anywhere else except that forum, maybe someone could help me out.

 

will this help? https://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/186671/186671

I thought Pascal vbios are encrypted which is why we can't use nvflash?

Edit: Sorry just noticed you were asking for the 88W one, see if this is the one?
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-vbios-repository.812918/

 

No, you can just flash nvidia signed vbioses not modded ones.

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yeah that one is a g-sync one, checked already before.

 

if someone could upload 88W signed vbios from clevo that was mentioned here that can be flashed with nvflash on Clevo and MSI that would be great.
Thanks
@acekard I will try to sign on baidu but I can't promise anything

 

You can easily blow air over it but getting it out poses a more difficult challenge.

 

Sorry but I am not able to download it.

I hope that someone can upload it please

 

The challenge is what makes it interesting

Okok would be cool to just "turn the fan speed up" but the cooling is just to weak... Even at 100% Fan Speed it would throttle hard without the mods i did so far

 

Either you would need a vacuum fan to pull air out or have one in blowing out. That's about all you can do. Going past a certain point though and you do murder the mobile aspect which starts going against the point of the machine.

 

You're right. A laptop needs to be portable.. and i want it to stay that way. Else i would be thinking about water cooling and stuff like that

The cooling pad will be decent, get nice paint and such. I take my time to make it smoth.

 

Mine was already painted a decent black, the holes were fairly even but I had some oven liner cut on top with cleaner holes to make it appear sharply cut. Then the high airflow grill to protect fingers and cables.

 

I'm very glad I repasted my notebook today; I found that the WinBond VBIOS chip is on the DGFF directly, rather than on the motherboard, so the surgery I will need to do to flash the power-modified VBIOS is only moderately annoying. For anyone who wants to compare the Precision DGFF PCB to the MXM 3A/3B form factors:




The size of the 7530 DGFF is intermediate between MXM 3A and 3B, I'd say; closer to 3B, definitely.

 

Hello here!
Anyone experimented with real RTX cards yet? These badly need some powerlimit buff.
also I have Clevo RTX2070 vbios, if someone needs it.

 

The board is too small, 3 + 1 phase power delivery from a quick look with no room for package growth or memory layout requirements.

 

Isn't it 4+1? The VRAM VRM appears to be on the opposite side.

 

Possibly unless that's a minor rail. You would need a multimeter to be sure.

 

Is it possible to remove/reduce the room temperature throttling like this? My card doesn't run into the power limit due to mods, however it does drop the core clock a couple notches once temps get high towards 80c.

 

Not that I know of. Even if you lock a voltage & frequency point in Afterburner on the voltage/frequency curve, it will still drop clocks as it warms up. I actually think that it's a way for the card to maintain stability as the temperature increases - overclocks are less stable at higher temperatures for instance, so this is just a way to pre-empt this and to maintain a max stable frequency as temperature increases.

 

No, your only option is better cooling.

 

Hello I don't know if I ****ed up, are lucky or unlucky but I am stuck with my MSI 1070.

I ordered 2 CH341a pro (black)
Got 2 clips
One 1.8v adapter.

I wanted to flash a vbios for my gtx 1070

I first tested it on a gtx 880m.
With the 1.8v adapter I had no luck, not even detection. I thought "screw it" I try without.
To my surprise it worked like a champ and the graphics card was still working.

Then I moved to the gtx 1070. I first tried with the 1.8v adapter.
It did not detect anything.
I thought I would try without again.
It gave me mixed results.
I could suddenly detect it, read and backup the bios with no problem, I could erase it but from here things went down.
I could not make it "blank" the chip. It kept telling me "chip is not null".

Messing around with different versions of the program, reseating the clip multiple times I sometimes got it blank.

But when I want to program the chip I either got error "write operations timeout failed" or "chip with the contents are in disagreement"

So it is possible to write data to the chip, but some hex decimals will be wrong.

I went so far as unsolder the chip and solder it back on the small connection board that comes with the program, to make sure there is contact.

I have tried to use the graphics card with the data I could write to the chip, but it will just make my laptop turn on and off again.

Now I am not sure what to next.
I don't know if the bios chip is broken, eventhough I still can detected it and read from it.

I don't know if I should try buy another programmer, or another adapter.

I am also thinking about, if it is possible stealing the bios chip from the gtx 880m and flash the gtx 1070 bios on it.

Gtx 1070 says 25q80ewn16 on the chip but w25q80v in the program. It is Winbond

The gtx 880m says 25q20bt it is GigaDevice.

I thought all vbios chips should be 1.8v but why can I make it work with 3.3v on the gtx 880m and not the gtx 1070?

Does anyone has any suggestions on what to do?

 

Here is a small update I discovered why my 1.8v adapter was not working.
Not all the pins on the back was soldered!!!
(See photo)

I soldered it and Now it is working but I am having the same issues.
I swear, if the chips is broken I will be really pissed!

 

****ing yes!!! I did it!!! I made the gtx 1070 come back!!! It's alive eventhough I still had the error "chip with the contents are in disagreement"!!!
Now I will go to bed in peace.
I have been sitting all night trying to fix it and now the clock is 5:30 in the morning.
I am so happy!!!

I will post the solution tomorrow (today). This is going to be a good day, I can feel it.

 

Okay here is what I did.

First, of, I made a folder with all the tools for a ch341a.

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AukTois8CyjMyUWESYZO-1RlGokz

This is my setup:


Okay first, here is a small guide to get the ch341a working.

First, download and extract my "Ch341a_tools.zip" folder.

Drivers:
1:1. open "CH341A tools" folder
1:2. open "Driver-Install-First-Alway" folder
1:3. run and install "CH341PAR"

Now you are ready for the next part.

Hooking everything up:
2:1. Study the photo of my setup so you connect everything correctly.
2:2. Before connecting it to the USB port, first, connect the clip to the bios chip.
2:3. A trick to make sure you have connected everything correctly before applying power is to take a multimeter and check for ground. Touch the USB with the red wire, and a screw hole on the graphics card with the black wire. If the multimeter beeps you have connected everything correctly.
3:4. Plug your programmer into the USB port.

The software part:
4:1. Navigate to the folder "CH341A Programmer 1.18"
4:2. Run CH341A.exe
4:3. Navigate to the folder "AsProgrammer_1.4.0"
4:4. Run AsProgrammer.exe
4:5. Navigate to the folder HxDSetup
4:6. Run and install HxDSetup.exe

The complicated part:

5:1. Next, to the "unprotect" button I put a red ring around is a button for reading ID, press it.
5:2. It should detect it as "W25Q80EW_1.8v"
5:3. Press the unprotect button. In the textbox at the bottom, it should say
"Old SREG: 00000011(0x03), 00001000(0x08)" or something. Then press the stop button.

6:4. Open CH341A.exe from earlier.
6:5. Press the "Read" button
6:6. Press the "Save" button save it as backup1
6:7. Repeat step 6:5 and 6:6 and save it as backup2

7:1. Open HxD you installed earlier.
7:2. Press the CTRL+K
7:3. Select backup1 as "1. Data source:" and backup2 as "2. Data source"
7:4. It should say that backup1 and backup2 are identical. If not, reseat the clip and repeat step 6:5 and 6:6


8:1 Open CH341A.exe from earlier
8:2 Press Detect

8:3 It will detect it as W25Q80V (It is a problem because it says the size is 1Mbyte, it is too small) We'll come back to that.
8:4 Press Erase
8:5 Press Blank (if it says "Chip are not null" repeat step 5:1, 5:2 and 5:3, also you might try reconnect your programmer. Then press Blank again)
8:6 Press Read, now it should say "FF" everywhere.
Your chip is now Blank

9:1 Select the chip name W25Q64BV

9:2 Press "Open" and choose the modded vbios you want to program onto the chip.
9:3 I will say "chip with the contents are in disagreement" that is because the ch341a program does not support W25Q80EW. If you did not change the chip name and kept W25Q64BV, the HEX disagreement will already start at line 00020000

It will cause the graphics card to not boot up.

Now because you choose a chip with a bigger size the HEX disagreement starts at line 00040000, almost at the end where there is no important data. It means the graphics card will still work.


A side note. You will meet a lot of errors and it will most likely not work the first time, be patient, stay calm, try playing around with steps I gave you, reconnect the setup, clean the contacts, also you can try some of the other versions in the "Ch341a tools" folder.

The conclusion
You can use the ch341a programmer without the 1.8v. I did test it and it worked BUT it gets EXTREMELY hot as soon you press Erase and slows down the process. I do not recommend doing it without the 1.8v because you're risking burning the chip. If you are doing it anyway find a way to keep it cool.
A fan is not enough, you will need a heatsink!!! I was lucky doing it without, but you might not be.

Also, I do not recommend using the Ch341a programmer, it is too much hassle. Buy a good programmer, it will make your life easier.

 

Strange. I didn't have such problems with CH341A. Most complicated part was that 1,8V adapter is totally unnecessary and you need to plug into furthest part of ZIF socket.
Just read VBIOS using nvflash. Mod it. Hook up CH341A to VBIOS Chip. Press Detect and Auto flash. That's it. Used on same MSI 1070 card.

 

Recent results with my zephyrus gx501gi packed with a 1080 max q and a i7 8750h:

138 watts Limit:

Time Spy test: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/36041287?

really like that 1080 max q

 

If I pressed auto it will just give me the timeout error.

 

Lol, totally missed not even dry joints.

No connection = no voltage so I would not worry.

 

Yeah but the thing is, because the adaptor did not work I tried flashing without the adaptor, pushing 3.3 volt through the chip.

 

Here is my results.

 

I think they can survive one or two flashes at that but i would not keep doing it.

 

Hello,
I own a nice P775TM1-G WIth GTX 1080 and G-sync Screen

My GPU going to fix to 90C° once I start any game.

And my fans are running at a noisy Level even if play a light game

I tried to fully clean and repaste, Update EC and Bios with Dsanke one

And for now Extract my Vbios and applying the preset of TDP then Reflash

but my temp still going to 90C° then Fix at this temp, no matter what load live in GPU.

I remember did and undervolting on my CPU who's resolved my temp issue on it. could i do the same on my GPU?

have you an idea of what can i do to optimize my system to the best?

Really Thanks.

FD

 

You can edit your voltage curve in MSI Afterburner. There you can undervolt your GPU.

Really nice tutorial:



Hope that helps you.

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Thanks but Afterburner don't let me move anything else than the Clocks :/

 

Try to click on those three bars.

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Ctrl+F

 

If you use some cheap Chinese thermal paste, the you will get those temperatures. Many graphics card comes with some white thermal paste. It is garbage! A repaste does not help if the thermalp is crap.
Use something like artic MX or even better Thermal Grizzly Hydronaut (my personal favourite)