Mobile Polaris Discussion

Here is some new info about mobile Polaris, straight from AMD folks (relevant part starts at 25m08s):



Summary:

- they'll use the same branding as for the desktop GPU: RX 460
- available "very soon" from "pretty big partners"
- notebook shown is HP Omen (earlier models used GTX 960M and GTX 965M, so performance should be better than those, but worse than RX 480)

 

It's integrated GPU for 1000$ notebooks and I believe it is Polaris 11 so very "worse than RX 480".

 

Indeed. Just I'm still a bit in disbelief they dared to put it only in HP Omen (as a poster child).

My educated guess for mobile Polaris 11 was somewhere around GTX 960M performance, maybe up-to GTX 965M performance. But that's exactly what HP Omen already had with Maxwells for a long time, so this would be pretty disappointing move by HP.

Polaris 11 advantage vs 960M would be lower TDP, so it would matter more for some lighter chassis, the ones that could only deal so far with 940M - something like Asus Zenbook, MS Surface or Lenovo Yoga.

Or maybe they plan to make it super cheap, to shave off $100-$200 from end price?

 

Polaris 11 is on the level of a desktop 950 isn't it? It should be a decent power up from a 960m, while being the same or lower TDP.

But power users don't care about that they want an RX480 on their laptops! With proper undervolt and slight core clock decrease, it should fit high end notebooks and offer a 980m++ experience.

 

With a proper undervolt, you can easily stick a 480 into a high end notebook at stock clocks (considering that such undervolts would reduce the TDP down to about 110W).
Even a slight overclock would barely push you past 110W (though to be honest, I do not think it would be necessary, since an undervolt would already result in 5% performance increase because the boost clocks can be effectively maintained with that).
And let's not forget improved performance from drivers.

Nvidia however could likely stick a 1060 into laptops at full blown 120W and still perform roughly the same like 480 or maybe better (but then again, Pascal operates at much higher stock clocks, resulting in only slightly better overall performance - which makes me wonder about it's overall performance efficiency vs Polaris - although it manages those clocks at 120W, while Polaris could technically be overclocked a bit more and give it thermal headroom after undervolt to limit it to 120W as well and close the performance gap even further - resulting in roughly equal performance).

What we actually get however is a different story.

 

Lets be realists, if AMD brings us high-end mobile GPU then it will be RX470. At least it has bigger chances.

 

An interesting take on performance testing the budget RX480 and 1060, use 6 year old CPU's / motherboards, as lower power CPU's are what many owners looking to upgrade will have when looking at budget GPU's.

All the tests so far have been done on mostly 6700K's to eliminate the CPU from the GPU comparisons.

But, how do these GPU's perform in the systems they will likely end up in?

I have a AMD 9950 Black and an Intel i7 980x system looking for a new GPU, so this is very interesting to me.

GTX 1060 vs. RX 480 in 6 year old AMD and Intel Computers

 

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ASUS/RX_480_STRIX_OC/
A review of an AIB RX 480.
EDIT: http://wccftech.com/sapphire-nitro-rx-480/ Info on the RX 480 Nitro+.

 

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3098...480-review-polaris-rethought-and-refined.html
Review of the RX 480 Nitro+.

 

Not that much impressive...

 

What is not impressive? A 200 bucks Card that performs equally to a GTX 980/1060? I find that impressive enough!

 

More like almost as good as a 970, but 25% slower than a 1060 for most games.

 

But regarding this one it perfomed very well against the 1060. For 230 Bucks there's nothing to scoff at!

 

STOP THROWING PC PARTS!!!

Hmmm, somehow I expected more from RX 480...

 

Yeah, that irked me too, and then he built a PC off the motherboard taking the abuse

 

We have to report him the the right authorities!

 

rx480 objective is to make the 960/950 irrelevant

as for vs 1060, probably will win when dx12 and vulkan takes off. nvidia has a strong optimization on dx11 but not so much on dx12

 

AMD is playing the long game and if they can keep their head above water (which they have for now), in the long run it will help!

 

P870dm dual rx480 please?

 

I'd buy that in an instant.. That would be enough performance for me

 

Pfft, there's no such thing as "enough performance!"

 

@Mr. Fox

 

New Polaris Radeon Pro WX cards, now coming in blue (Q4 2016):






http://www.pcper.com/news/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Announces-Radeon-Pro-WX-Series-Graphics-Cards

 

And then, there's this. The Radeon Pro SSG: a Workstation GPU with PCIe M.2 SSD slots.

 

Does the blue represent the depression the company and its mobile consumers are going through?

 

Nah, it's cause they're "Cool" Blue.

Those things look really thin, and tiny in the hand, see the photo:



http://Radeon.com/siggraph

Capsaicin Siggraph LIVE July 25 6:30PM PDT

 

huh, crazy idea

Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10

 

Those GPU's are very small indeed.
You could easily stick them into a laptop.
Question is, how much of a performance boost are we talking about in games and professional software?

 

I wonder why they are using non-volatile flash instead of fitting 1TB of DDR4 into a PCIe slot?

 

cuz its cheaper that way. look at prices for 16 GB ddr4 sticks and multiply that price by 64, then ull get my point

Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10

 

Cut it to 512 or 256 then. Still way better than 32 (not to mention 4) and would serve as a useful cold layer of storage. The SSD on the other hand is a sloth.

 

At first I thought you were joking. Now I see you weren't

 

And the first official info on mobile Polaris:

Spoiler: More RX 460 info

http://videocardz.com/62672/amd-radeon-rx-470-and-radeon-rx-460-official-specs-and-performance

Kinda as expected AMD puts it 120% of GTX 960M - so about the same as the first version of GTX 965M (GM204), but slower than the current second version of GTX 965M (GM206).

 

Refreshing to see graphs without some "X-axis magic"

 

I just hope that laptops with the 460 are priced to match their performance. They should be around $1000 US. Anything above $1300 would be ridiculous.

EDIT: I should clarify, I don't mean they should start at a $1000. In fact, cheaper laptops with RX 460s should be $800 US.

 

No MXM3.0b or non standard MXM for that puny low end card. Nvidia will smash them with the more potent Pascal machines.

 

Or 500$ on sale in 2017 At least that is when I would buy it. And only for Freesync if it's built in it.

 

http://videocardz.com/62790/geforce-gtx-1070-mobile-and-radeon-r9-m480-benchmarks-leaked
The R9 480m/RX 460 (because people love to confuse names) has some leaked benchmarks.

 

Hmmm, those performance numbers for R9 480M/RX 460 are suspicious.

We already had earlier info straight from AMD that put notebook RX460 at ~ GTX 965M level (earlier version, newer one was faster). So faster than GTX 970M would be surprise.

I don't speak Chinese, but those graphs with supposed 3dmark 11 numbers are weird:



GTX 970M doesn't get 14,929 points, it gets ~9,877 points:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-970M.126694.0.html

16,164 points for R9 480M/RX 460 would put it almost at notebook GTX 980 level (17,200), which will definitely not happen:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-GTX-980-Notebook.150599.0.html

Only this chart is believable (and in conflict with other two):



So maybe that new HP Shadow Blade notebook is CrossFire of 2x RX 460?

16K points = 2x 8K points

 

Uhm, so people in VideoCardz article comments already figured it out - these new graphs are nonsense, they just re-labeled the old graph for desktop GPUs as notebook GPUs:



Numbers match perfectly:

- alleged "GTX 970M" is in fact desktop GTX 970
- alleged "RX 460" is in fact desktop RX 480

 

Hmm, why not? We heard CrossFire is uber effective on Polaris systems and it's easier to cool down 2 average components in thin form factor than 1 hot component.

 

Yup, it could still be CrossFire, or maybe even some sort of thin notebook + docking station setup (with regular desktop version of RX 480?).

Just those numbers are obviously not really from that system / official from AMD or HP - they are matching those earlier leaks exactly in every digit (and there is this whole deal of calling GTX 970 as 970M) - so seems more like somebody tried to "fill in the blanks".

 

If HP did CrossFire RX 460 in their Omen laptop I would be impressed, but as is I think it's a single RX 460 in it.

 

Correction: upon further checking, it seems RX 480 fits better to codename 67DF:C7.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Ra...-Polaris-desktop-card-at-launch.168250.0.html

So this would mean codename 67DF:C4 would be something lower, maybe RX 470?

We already know RX 460 is slower than these numbers.

That post mentioned two HP notebooks - Omen and something new called Shadow Blade.

I believe Omen gets RX 460, the one we already know almost everything about (it appeared in official AMD slides).

Shadow Blade is a mystery - seems it could be RX 470, in some form (notebook version or maybe docking station?).

 

i wish clevo made laptops with amd cards :/

 

I wish so too but we'll have to keep dreaming about that..

AMD just can't be bothered to do anything high end for mobile..

Already preparing my wallet to be raped by the new Pascal GPUs..

Sent from my LG-H850 using Tapatalk

 

I actually believe that notebook manufacturers are the reason we don't see top AMD mobile GPUs in notebooks. That is called internal competition when lets say MSI brings 2 notebooks which are the same except different branded cards. MSI will have to invest more money (BIOS, support, model branding etc) but in the end will not have more customers in total. In fact it can even decrease sales because customer may be not sure what is "the best" and will just go buy another brand notebook where everything is easier.
Sony VAIO "bankrupted" because there were thousands of different models and you could be lost in naming scheme. Heck, you could google your model and see 5 different laptops from different years of manufacture and different design. It was a joke so VAIO deserved to drown.
And after MSI GX780 (AMD GPU + AMD APU) was a disaster (mostly due to a joke CPU) MSI doesn't want to foolow their previous mistakes when every major industry player knows that Intel + Nvidia is the best proven formula so far.

Why would anyone be happy to have HP laptops with his GPUs? Only if nobody else wants your GPUs.

So unless AMD and one ODM deside to risk bringing notebook with high end AMD GPU... and even then others will follow this path next year, the soonest so why would AMD do this without expected profits? Maybe next year or maybe never.

 

I've said my take on AMD and MSi multiple times, the short story is that I think both parties are for blame, mostly AMD, the GX line had its market share, and there was a rumor about Intel + AMD model. As for Clevo, nGREEDIA "bought" them, plain and simple. I see no reason to think otherwise. Now, enjoy the "glorious" new it-might-be-upgradeable-but-it-might-not-so-more-or-less-as-good-as-the-BGA-turdbooks-everyone-was-laughing-at models. And if you don't understand my frustration - MXM Sig is owned by nGREEDIA. Bye-bye MXM. Time for a new standard? I actually have a couple of ideas.

 

As far as Polaris MXM is concerned, I have a Clevo source that says they will NOT be producing Polaris on MXM cards, will be BGA only.

There go any hopes and dreams of using Polaris in any decent machine. Without Clevo, only MSI maybe can come back with a MXM design, but I'm not holding my breath since they dumped everything since Neptune XT.

 

I'm surprised that they're even producing anything BGA for AMD GPUs...