Mobile RX6000s in 2021

Wishful thinking? https://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-R...at-upcoming-Zen-3-RDNA-2-laptop.527267.0.html

Post here news on the mobile RX6600, RX6700, and, who knows, RX6800.

 

Probably, AMD has shown no interest in the laptop GPU space.

Likely another few years of Nvidia drastically overcharging us.

 

I wonder if AMD could build on Apple's success with the M1 ARM chip which includes integrated GPU. AMD and Intel already have integrated GPUs or APUs. But the current chip sets really can't handle heavy gaming without a discrete GPU. The current Apple line is looking like Apple is moving away from discrete GPUs. One of Max Tech's videos suggested that the M1 GPU cores provide an equivalent or better experience to the current line of mobile Radeon chips being used in Macbook Pros. Who knows.

 

AMD has not come to play ball in the mobile space in nearly 10 years. The last Great War was between the 7970M and 680M in 2012. Sad really

 

Running Windows through BootCamp with the Radeon 6770M in my 2011 MacBook Pro made it a more capable gaming laptop than you might think. Heck, even the games that had macOS ports ran surprisingly well.

 

Consoles.

 

It was rumored and discussed on the roundtable that the laptop guys did, that that AMD isn't planning any GPU above the 6600M, so this 6700M talk is new to me.

None of it will matter anyway, if they are as late getting these GPUs to manufacturers as they were the 5000M series. That is why Nvidia wins, because come CES the OEMs know that Nvidia will be there with shiny new GPUs for them to market at the trade show, even if the laptops don't launch until March.

The 7970M died with a whimper because of the Enduro mess. Disaster.

The 6970M vs the 680M the year prior was when it was interesting. I chose the 6970M for my Clevo over the latter, because the price difference was stupid for the small increase in performance. It was what, a desktop 6850 and could overclock like mad? Good times.

And yeah 10 ears later they haven't had a single compelling product. It's embarrassing.

 

No enduro in my machine 7970M/8970M still gets driver updates and in the long haul, surpassed the 680M

you are thinking of 6970M vs 580M, which was another fairly close competition. I was also team 6970M once upon a time

 

Nope we're both wrong haha, 6970M went against the 400M series, so it was was 6970M vs 470M and 485M.

My memory is getting bad as I age.

 

My M17x R3 was configurable with a 6970M or 580M

 

Huh, I specifically remember a lot of debates between 7970M vs 680M.. I think the 7970M turned out better efficiency if I recall. Maybe it's been so long I'm not recalling correctly.

 

I got you, I just went back to the Clevo thread in Q1 of 2011 and the options were 6970M and the 400Ms.

I don't know the 7970M timeline exactly, so Alienware may have just not adopted the 7970M when the 580M had replaced the 485M.

 

Early days it was a wash between 680M and 7970M. With driver improvements, the 7970M/8970M/R9 M290X came and solidified its position over the 680M. However, it remained just underneath the full Kepler core 780M and markedly below the faster clocked 880M (when the 880M didn’t thermal throttle, blast furnace of a chip it was...). When Maxwell arrived, AMD could no longer compete in the high end mobile space. Would have loved to have a high powered LVDS compatible AMD card but they axed LVDS support with Polaris, but even then it was not an answer to Maxwell, Pascal, or Turing. It doesn’t seem like we’ll be getting an answer to Ampere either.

 

Call it a win if they have competition for the 3060 out before the Summer hits.

AMD has no interest in the high-end gaming laptop competition and we just have to accept it.

 

Hopefully whatever they end up with will be better than the 5700M:

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/18968156

I hope the 50% performance per watt is real with RDNA2, and the infinity cache can make up for less memory bandwidth. They also need to up the game with regards to mobile drivers as the last usable driver is from November 2020. Everything newer causes a black screen on the internal display with both the 5600M and 5700M...

 

Not accurate.
AMD did release Navi for laptops (5600m and 5700m) which had excellent efficiency and peformance (same or better than NV counterparts)... its just laptop OEM's aren't that interested in using AMD gpu's.
Only DELL decided to use 4800H and RX 5600m, and while there was large interest, DELL did mess up the cooling on that unit a bit (which took them a while to 'fix' - aka, they introduced a BIOS update which limited the CPU somewhat - but that's DELL for you... they don't really have good laptop cooling to begin with).

Also, Acer made my own PH517-61 with Ryzen 2700 and Vega 56. Quite popular with amazing cooling (this thing can also hold a 105W TDP CPU with relative ease - certainly a LOT better than what Schenker tried, and if Acer bothered to release a bios update with relevant microcodes for Zen 2 and Zen 3, I would have stuck a 5900x or 5950x into this monster).

OEM's adoption of AMD gpu's is slow to non-existent.... don't think AMD has much to do with that as they don't get a say in whether an OEM will use an AMD or NV gpu).

 

are we forgetting the 5870m? they did it once and they can do it again

 

Correction: MSI also released laptops with the Ryzen 4800H and RX 5600m (the Alpha 15 and 17). It was Dell that only implemented SmartShift.

 

Based on this table I think MSI may be planning a 14 and 15 inch Alpha and also a new 17 inch Delta model, all with Ryzen 5000H CPU and RX6000 GPU.

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/1...obile - Product Family Overview -page-019.jpg

 

Oh yes, I forgot about MSI. I stand corrected.
As for SmartShift being a Dell only thing... this is something I don't agree with because SmartShift (as far as I recall) was integrated on a hw level inside the Zen 2 CPU/APU... meaning that the technology/feature would automatically activate in the presence of an AMD gpu (and if I remember correctly, there was no 'switch' which could turn that on or off).

Still, my original statement about use of AMD gpu's in mobile space (being an OEM decision entirely) stands. For example, neither Dell or MSI chose to use 5700m for example despite it having identical specs to the desktop version (except it had slightly reduced clocks).

 

From the horses mouth...


AMD SmartShift technology will not appear in more laptops

 

Well, in an all-AMD system, yes, you're correct. But Dell did have a laptop with the RX 5700m. It was for the Alienware Area 51m R2.
Also, I think the Sonnet Breakaway Box eGPU also used the RX 5700m.

 

I can't call it disappointing when it performs as it should. It's literally an RX 5700 (non-XT) and scores like one. It would've been a popular release if it was ready by CES.

A major reason for the dearth of RX 5000M laptops was that AMD was so freaking late to the party with them. The 5700M didn't hit the 51M until what, almost Q3?

Regardless of our opinions on the quality of Nvidia's GPUs, the OEMs love them because Nvidia guarantees that without fail, when Q1 and CES comes around there will be new mobile GPUs to market at the conference. When is the last time Nvidia released desktop cards in Q3/Q4 of a year, then not had the mobile variants at CES in the following Q1? Clockwork is a powerful tool.

AMD took a full year after the RX 5700 came out to have laptop GPUs available. The laptop manufactures have no time for that type of uncertainty.

 

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-6800m-high-end-mobile-gaming-card-to-feature-navi-22-gpu

"According to Komachi, who discovered RX 6800M in the most recent display driver, AMD is planning Navi 22 based Radeon RX 6800M graphics card. The GPU would use a Device ID of 73D5:C3, which is sandwiched between two variants of desktop Radeon RX 6700 XT graphics cards (varying by TGP specifications). Since both of those variants have 2560 Stream Processors (the full configurations), it would be obvious to expect RX 6800M also to feature the full GPU specs."

 

And that was ATI not AMD, my friend.

 

im a hack lol....but i thought amd bought ati guess im wrong not sure might look it up in a bit not sure why i thought that

back

Founded in 1985 as Array Technology Inc., the company listed publicly in 1993. Advanced Micro Devices (AMD) acquired ATI in 2006
when did amd buy ati - Bing
5870m was released in 2010

 

Indeed, but it was ATI project.

 

??

if amd is ati then why seperate the two when 2 is in 1

say you get a single large pizza and it has mushrooms and pepperoni...you dont tell people you bought a large pepperoni and a large mushroom pizza....pretty simple logic....sigh

 

Its the same in any industry, Lenovo did the same thing after acquiring IBM, its not as if they flushed everything in development down the toilet.

Thats what @kothletino means (I believe) by it being originally an ATi project, it was already in the pipeline, AMD acquired it of course. Of course you can argue that it becomes an AMD project but still, was originally an ATi project.

 

Play Older PC Games? Think Twice About AMD's RDNA 2 Cards pcmag.com

n our testing, DirectX 11 gaming performance with AMD's late-model RDNA 2-based Radeon graphics cards has proven to be uneven. Can AMD's SAM tech (and a sizable overclock) come to the rescue?

“AMD strives to provide the best performance to gamers with all of our products. We prioritize optimizations that benefit the widest group of gamers, ensuring those on the AMD RDNA 2 architecture will enjoy strong performance in more modern titles as well as more broadly played popular titles using both modern and legacy APIs.”

 

Lol these journalists are a joke. This game is literally Vulkan API only, and they use it as an example of a DX11 title.

 

As is so often the case, Company A makes excellent products and then a bigger Company B buys them and almost immediately ruin the good thing they bought. Lenovo ruined IBM, HP ruined Compaq and VoodooPC. Acer ruined Gateway and Dell ruined Alienware.

The story here is the same sad and unfortunate saga played with its own unique cast of characters.

ATi was top dog in the GPU space. NVIDIA walked in the shadow of their glory. AMD had only CPUs. They bought out and immediately destroyed ATi, which was the industry leader in graphics technology. The ATi Radeon 5000 series was the best in the industry during its generation. It was the last year for the ATi brand. AMD Radeon 6000 series ran good, overclocked nicely, but was very unreliable and prone to failure. It still got beat by an overclocked GeFarts GPU, but it put up one helluva fight. AMD Radeon 7000 sucked at overclocking and it was unreliable. It held its ground against a stock NVIDIA GPU, but got its butt kicked real bad as soon as overclocking was accounted for. The competing GeFarts GPU tore its head off and pooped down its neck when overclocking kicked in. Nothing they did after 2011 mattered. ATi was merely a fond memory of something that was once great. Every GPU produced since was unreliable and offered crappy performance and sucked at overclocking. Fast forward to 2021... now RDNA2 graphics cards still suck at overclocking. They do OK stock if you don't care about DLSS or Ray tracing. It remains to be seen if they are reliable. It remains to be seen if the mobile version is more than another cruel and sadistic joke on the turdbook jockeys.

In the interest of self-preservation, Team Red would be wise to stick to consoles, where there is no shadow of NVIDIA to draw attention to their performance shortcomings. We need competition for the Green Goblin, but they're not bringing it. Maybe Intel will. Probably not, but we can hope so.

 

Indeed Sir.

It's more about who "invented" the pizzas.

 

It's telling that this thread quickly became more about past than future AMD gpus...

 

ok now i see your side....guess thats true

now if i remember correctly it was like a 5770 not a desktop 5870....now we have a 3080 thats like a 3070 desktop...times have changed and so have pc games....i miss the days of being blown away with games like half life 1 and 2...

another fun fact my intel uhd 620 intergrated graphics runs games just as well.. back then people said intel would catch up in 20 years...now that we have intel xe and vega apus and igpus i see 3080 power happening in them in 7 years. which is good for people that did not have the time to play all the latest and greatest ports each year...me for example have bioshock and would like to play it and even on my igpu i can

 

The use of a small shared slice and comparatively slow system RAM will always be an Achilles' Heel for integrated graphics. Performance will almost assuredly never be on par with even low-end discreet graphics with its much faster and much larger capacity memory.

Can you use it, versus should you use it, for gaming really depends on what the expectations are and what kind of games are being played. Anything demanding is going to be challenging unless you dramatically lower the bar on image quality, resolution and framerate.

 

yeah but by then we will have ddr6 or something....bandwidth yes thats an issue....but for example bioshock i can run at 1080p normal settings and average 50fps....be right back

 

Bioshock is 13-14 years old though

 

i just used it as an example because its graphics have held up quite well..

and about ati amd its all semantics....who cares in the end...

but for games its really sad we only gett independant games and like 4 aaa games released that are actually pc games like MSFS 2020

 

You could say the same for Mass Effect 2/3, not sure if its "holds up well" versus just diminishing returns for additional resolutions and technologies.

I might download BioShock, its been a decade since I played it...

 

i remember mass effect 2 and 3 now wow those were good amazing even incredible games

 

They are getting remasters I guess but Im half expecting BioWare to just repackage the 3rd party texture mods. Hopefully its a ground up remaster but we'll see...

 

Remasters are a great way to make more money reselling old stuff without having to invest much in terms of resources, or being bothered by the inconvenience of needing to be innovative or creative. Kind of like an NVIDIA "Super" GPU.

Something old, something new, something borrowed, something blue... continuity.

 

In some instances its welcomed, though in terms of Mass Effect its not going to make sense if its just a texture overhaul, we already have those for free and its been repackaged into an executable so yeah instead of your point which by now should be as basic as hammer meet nail, Im almost expecting new memes mocking Bioware for re-releasing ME Trilogy with lesser quality textures or a half broken engine overhaul compared to community made texture packs. If it was Bioware of yore it'd be one thing, but this is EA. All the people that made Bioware what it was became other studios now but the one group I am waiting on is archetype studios since the ME writers went over there.

 

Given that mobile graphics is generally gimped compared to the desktop counterpart, this is definitely not a good sign for AMD laptop jockeys. Looks like this will be a mobile variant to avoid.

 

Tbf the mobile 3070 is muuuuch slower than its desktop counterpart. If the mobile RX6700 is only slower AMD could still win

 

Yes, that is definitely possible. Hopefully, there will be an RX 6800 and 6900 mobile option that offers really great performance. It would be nice if they could have something that at least matched the performance of a desktop RX 6700 with a TGP in the 200-250W range, even if they labeled it something misleading like RX 6900 mobile.

But, you would still have the same handicaps the RX desktop GPUs have when pitted against their RTX counterpart.

 

Honestly I would be happy to see AMD at least have a product stack instead of just one cut down version for mobile that no one knew existed in the first place.

 

Navi 21 (RX 6800/6900) is still too power hungry for mobile, but unlike GA102, they are 256-bit, so that raises the possibility slightly.

 

If you mean, "too power hungry" for the emaciated gonad-free trash that is so common today, you would be correct. However, it is not too power hungry for a big DTR with a massive vapor chamber and dual 330W AC adapters. It would not be any more power-hungry than the 980N SLI and 1080N SLI Clevo beasts that we all enjoyed not very long ago. There is no reason they couldn't put at least 350W of GPU power under the hood other than the girlie-men losers that design laptops are wimps that build garbage for wimps.

CPU 225W + GPU 350W = 575W with ~85W left for the rest of the system. Totally doable. They just need to make it like Pace Picante Sauce... thick and chunky. It would be yummy instead of disgusting. We need moar monsterbooks.