Mobility Radeon 5870 - Performs ~ 30% better than GTX 260M...

As compared using 3DMark Vantage, from Asus's CES presentation:

http://www.anandtech.com/GalleryImage.aspx?id=7281

 

That is incredible, wish I had money to get me a laptop with one of those video cards.

 

it makes sense. performance per watt hasn't changed much for 2 years. 5800 were just 4800 scaled upwards with a smaller process to keep the heat in check. we have to wait another generation to see a 4870/4890 level card with a sub 75w power usage.

 

this is a gimped 128bit 5870. its not really the full potential of the card.

 

Theres no way it could reach its full potential in a laptop, it would consume too much power and be too hot, as well as being far too large.

 

Hmm, if this G73 does end up coming out with the 5870, I may get one. Hopefully Clevo will have a competing laptop by that time though.

 

Why cover the score with the sticker hmmmmm?

It's based from the 5770, which is why it's 128-bit, therefore not gimped at all.

 

Why is it compared to the 260m and not the 280m? I'm hoping ATI will put Nvidia in its place since they have gotten away with minor refreshes, confusing names, and straight rebadges for nearly 2 years especially in the mobile gpu game but my estimation is the 280m is probably 20% faster than the 260m if not more so it stands to reason that the 5870 is barely any faster than it...kinda sucks if true.

 

Maybe it is meant to compete with the 260m, maybe they are in the same price range?

 

Hmm its ok, but it makes me happy to see that its not like a rediculous boost (like the desktop one.)

Seems like a good card .

 

I think it's because the 280M isn't main stream enough to matter. People who don't know Clevo and Alienware will never have seen a 280M.

 

They are just comparing another asus laptop to this. That is why the resolution is not standard and that is why they are using 260m gtx. They don't want to advertise some other laptop in their ad.

 

I was thinking that as well, and considering 1% of the market, maybe, has a Clevo or Alienware.

 

What would be nice is if they would make a dual GPU like the 5970 for a laptop. That would be insanely fast. I am sure we will see this in the years to come. But for now ATI rains supreme.

 

The heat output and power consumption would be way too much for the notebook.

Hell, Clevo's W870CU only gets an hour of battery life, and it has a GTX 280M.

 

but doesn't that have some ultra-low capacity battery, 3-cell?

 

Errr, you can get dual card machines, I doubt they could make the machine any smaller with a dual chip pcb

 

What's Vantage's default resolution? 1280x1024?
The test in the pic was run at 1366x768; that's roughly 20% less pixels than 1280x1024.

Surely this has some effect on the score. Or am I misinterpreting things?

 

Yeah, it increases the score by a bit. Shouldn't matter though, as I assume they also ran it at 1366*768 on the G60.

 

Hello

Now im an ATI fan

Sources: GIZMODO and ANANDTECH

Gizmodo:

ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5000: The First DirectX 11 Graphics Cards for Notebooks Kill Crysis!!
ATI continues pressing the 3-month lead it has over Nvidia's next-gen Fermi architecture with another set of DirectX 11-supporting graphics cards—this time for notebooks, with the Mobility Radeon HD 5000 series. Preview benchmarks show the top-of-the-line 5870 wiping the floor with Nvidia's topper, the GTX 280M.

And from Anandtech:



Check the Link ^ for more benchs...

ATI is awesome!!!

I want oneeeeeeee

 

it is clearly a winner , how come a newly introduced technology in the market can lose to a GPU that has been running for almost three generations ( plus its rebranding )

 

wow.

this is gonna take laptop gaming to a new level.

 

so like ~25% increase with most games, not bad =)

 

Im still waiting for nvidia to come up with fermi, wich im sure it will kill any ati cards at that moment.
Yep, nvidia fan here

 

haha, starting the graph at 75% to try and make it look much more MASSSSSSSSSSIVE gap than it is, although there is no arguing that it isn't better....

 

I will say it is a better card, but their graph is pretty useless. They set the GTX 280m as 100%, left a solid 25% below that and used perspective to make it look more massive, and then didn't include actual FPS or other benchmark info to interpret. Nice marketing tool.

 

ATI did that graph trick with the Mobility 4870 cards too.

 

I see no reason in 'believing' this benchmark untill we see the actuall results in the new upcomming laptops. It isn't the first time something looks great in 'theory'.

 

Totally missed that, sneaky. 25% more performance is pretty impressive though and end of the day it all comes down to the pricing, anyone have any figures?

 

OMG, from that graph they look at least twice as good as the GTX280M. These cards are going to be amazing !!

 

i'm quite positive the fermi card will demolish the 5000 series cards... i mean how could it not; fermi will release when the 5000 series is two generations old...

 

Nowhere near twice as good, prob about 20% (25% if you really believe).

That graph is made to look like that and it exaggerates the result. I wouldn't trust those results anyway, only a 3rd party bench from a gamer or enthusiast can be trusted imo. As noted before, those graphs start at the 75% mark as opposed to 0% - 100% making the results look more impressive.

 

I hate it when companies pull that crap. The scale is WAY non-linear, and the numbers are tiny and hard to read. TOTALLY intended to confuse customers.

 

This "benchmark" is about as useful as a cup of sand in the desert.

As KimoT has mentioned, there are no specifics regarding the tests run aside from resolution, and the chart is designed in a way that the unwary might think the ATI 5870 outperforms the GTX 280M by up to 200% (based on the height of the bars. It's a very common marketing tool).

More importantly, these are figures released by ATI. ATI is not going to release figures that show the 5870 being outperformed the GTX 280M.

It's a marketing thing, nothing more. That said, I do think the 5870 will outperform the GTX 280M, does that mean, however, that it will perform at the levels suggested by ATI? Hardly.

 

I wouldnt take anything from those graphs.

Look at what operating system their using Windows 7 Ultimate RTM WTH?You mean a respectable website like them dont have a official copy of Windows 7 yet?
Look at what drivers their using.For ATI its some beta RC1 of the 8.67.
For nVidia their using the 191.xx that everyone and their mother have been whinning about on the net for lowering frame rates and in general just sucking all around.
With all that their benching it on a dual core core2 @ 2.5ghz.Nobody in their right mind would buy such a kick GPU without backing it with a Core i5 or i7.

Good try AMD leaking for this bs early but FAIL

I will wait for more benches before I jump for joy.

 

So... if we cut the marketing hype and have someone use a comparable NVIDIA setup with drivers that don't suck and without fudging results their newfangled chipset will do from 10-15% better.

This isn't a bad thing, but NVIDIA will simply make a new version of their old chipset and OC it by 10-15% and rebrand it.

Honestly, most high-end NVIDIA users are already at that level with some minor OCing.

 

I dunno. It doesn't say what was measured to get that 25% increase. Was it FPS in game? Was it fill rate, triangles per second, etc? And at what resolution? If that's the FPS improvement, then I am thoroughly impressed. That takes a 30FPS game up to 38FPS. Although a 100FPS game up to 125FPS, who cares. It's like having a car that can go 200MPH but you can't drive it faster than 80.

 

Resolution is mentione 1920 x 1200, but that's about it.

 

First of all, the graph with a non 0 axis is nothing new...its not a scam, people have been using it for ages (not to mislead, the numbers are right there, but to allow for resolution between to relatively similar numbers.

Second, ya, nVidia will just do its classic overclock + rebrand, and it will keep up. But it will be hotter, less power efficient, a lack support for new features.

I second htwingnut also: I want to see the effectiveness of the cards at various resolutions, with/without different levels of AA, particles etc...

 

/whoosh

You should check out the new 5000 series sarcasm detectors. I hear they're nearly twice as good as the last gen

 

It does say that Nvidia needs to get themselves moving and put out a real new generation of GPUs instead of another tweak-and-rebadge.

 

unless they can tweak and rebadge about 20%... which could happen.

 

Not really, there are those who do not notice the scale and simply look at the bars, it's a very common marketing gimmick. And whether or not it is mislead, that depends on how you view marketing.

No offense to Manic Penguins, but that is an example of someone who might not notice the scale.

 

In and of itself, a non-zero axis is not a scam. The tilt is suspicious...notice how even here, people are talking about a 25% difference, when if you carefully follow the bars, it indicates a 15-20% difference. That is misleading.

 

Why are you people trying to bash the new ATI card?!!

YES, ati new cards are better than nvidia....deal with it!!!

just so you know, i (WAS) an Nvidia fan...

Thank god i didnt upgrade my lappy...but now this might change!

NOTE: why was the topic moved...damn mods!! (joking lol)

 

No one's bashing it, it's just not raising the ceiling much higher than the current G92.

Apply the given % to real fps gains, and it's not so mindblowing.

 

This.

ATI could have done better.

 

Haven't seen anyone bashing the card yet, only seen some trying to point out that the graphs are

1) ATI's unverifiable claims

2) The graph can be and has been misleading.

3) Performance is improved, but not substantial.

It's not quite "wiping the floor".

Because we don't need 50 different threads about the 5870.

 

Still its an improvement!!

Lets hope nvidia wakes up and give us fermi....but im afraid we need to wait untill 400 series...

It would be a true nightmare if the 400 series would turn out to be another rebranding!

 

Nvidia's press event is over. They dedicated a whopping 3 minutes to Fermi at the very end.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/live-from-nvidias-ces-press-event/