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    Modded NVIDIA drivers for Windows

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Vasudev, Dec 9, 2018.

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    why would someone install these over? If they promise so much perfomance they must be tweaking some settings, which ?
     
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    It's also interesting that if they improve things this much why doesn't nVidia use these settings from the outset? It's not like nVidia are idiots that don't know how to configure a driver. Sure there's bugs in drivers, but also building software drivers for windows (especially high performance gaming) is HARD with so many variables and system config combinations. Perhaps stability/compatibility reasons? But then why not just have settings per GPU? They would definitely want better performance/playability to keep people from buying AMD. My guess is YMMV for games vs benchmarks vs what program are you running vs what GPU you have vs etc...
     
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    I don't know what they tweak but I'll try it out. Last time I tried @j95 which was buggy for most people actually worked flawlessly. I'm using stock drivers now since toggling between Secure and Legacy boot wrecks my TPM driver and so far no issues.
    I'll try both modded drivers from XG and j95.
     
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    I wanted to reply here just to keep it separated from the main official driver ;)

    Well.. I'm afraid that you gotta do it by yourself :) in my case benchmarking will affect my GPU alot and it may fry it because it is overvolted :) putting unusual stress or doing unrealistic stress that you will never achieve it on gaming sessions it is dangerous especially while overvolting... I'm not prepared to fry my GPU to prove it :D

    But here's what I observed comparing between official ones vs XG...
    -Less microstutters
    -Higher OC Potential (Gives me additional 50 ~ 90 MHz more OC) with the same overvolt (I use +75mv) going higher voltage gives me black screen
    -Higher FPS [Not significant-(YMMV)] (due to less stuttering I guess you feel that you are playing at higher frame rate :D)
    -Less latency per a frame (Means smoothie gameplay) ;)

    A happy user have seen the difference also because of using XG modded drivers :)
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...3-owners-lounge.797884/page-800#post-10824002

    I know the performance tweaks is kinda obsolete but it have the ability to be stable more than official ones specially when playing with volts & OC frequency :cool:

    At the end.... you will not see a significant difference (but it doesn't mean the difference is not there ;) ) while on stock frequency between Official drivers & XG but you will immediately see the difference once playing with the volts or frequency or both!

    So....... Hail to XG forever! And I hope they continue providing up to date drivers for as long as they can :)
     
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    Would be very interesting see a comparison of stock, j95, and XG, especially:

    frame rates
    frame times
    clocks/overvoltage/undervoltage capability
    image quality
    micro stutter

    Unfortunately I don't have time right now to do this due to finals =[
     
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    dude, u left out j95 drivers :)

    in any case, +rep for the idea of a separate thread, it was getting indeed a bit cluttered haha :p gonna take some work though to keep this up to date ;)
     
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    Don't know why but I can't install XG drivers, downloaded 417.01 and 416.94 (both are notebook driver) but it always fails to install graphic driver :confused:.
     
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    Disable driver signature :) since it's a modified driver (modded) ;)
     
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    Thanks for reminding me about that. I just found out that disable driver signature in Advanced Startup option isn't permanent :p.
    Downloading the driver right now :).

    p/s: This is what I got using 416.94 pure desktop driver: https://www.3dmark.com/fs/17373089
     
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    I will test it using desktop GPU drivers.

    Your FS score is really good. My 980M at stock only manages 8300. Do you use notebook/desktop gpu drivers? I'm desktop ones.
     
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    I'm using XG notebook driver (416.94). Downloading desktop ones right now.
     
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    So I tested XG desktop driver (416.94) with Firestrike and got quite similar score: https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/31134893?
    Good news is that it only need +87.5mV now. With notebook driver, I need +100mV with the same overclock.
     
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    good.
     
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    That is the magic of XG drivers :) :cool:
     
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    Those FireStrike scores are only for showing how far this card could be overclocked :p. I'm using 180W psu right now so I only set +200Mhz gpu clock & +400Mhz memory clock @1.0V for daily gaming ;).
    I also tested j95's modded driver (desktop version) which requires higher voltage compare to XG drivers and also got same score in FireStrike.

    I also notice some problems:
    1) I ran unigine heaven and my cpu throttles to base clock after 20-25 minutes, in throttlestop it shows gpu power limit (gpu was running at +330/400Mhz @1.075mV).
    2) I ran FireStrike benchmark with +330/400Mhz @1.075mV and it passed but when I ran FireStrike stress test, the test canceled itself.
    3) I played Arma 3 with same config overclock as above and the game would freeze after 15-20 minutes but I don't have such problem when playing Zelda. Both games are CPU intensive and gpu usage about the same.

    P/s: those problems above are not XG drivers's fault as I have similar problems with stock and j95 driver. Will get 240W psu later and do test again. I think those problems caused by 180W psu not providing enough power.
     
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    3dmark is turning to junk these days, a slight OC doesn't work on new version and on old version it worked flawlessly!
    Test games and not 3dmark.
     
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    +300Mhz core clock, +400Mhz mem clock @1.05V and played Arma 3 for 1 hour. So far got no freeze, nearly no micro stutter (only saw 1), fluid gameplay ( mouse movement seems smoother than before).
    Gonna stick with XG drivers :cool:
     
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    I'm sure its MHz instead of mV.
     
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    Yup, It's Mhz. Type mV by mistake :p
     
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    What exactly makes these "modded" drivers? What has been changed on what level?
     
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    Awesome choice ;) Welcome to XG world :D
    If you want to know the changes at the driver level.. well.. ask them :) this is there main official reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/XtremeG/
    Those are the changes that I managed to get it from them..

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-81-whql-findings-fixes.825773/#post-10818695
     
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    As always... :)

    XtremeG released it with modded drivers [Performance + Tweaks] as always :)

    For Laptops:-
    https://www.reddit.com/r/XtremeG/comments/a5vs78/xg_41735_mobile_win10_x64/
    For Desktops:-
    https://www.reddit.com/r/XtremeG/comments/a5vsj3/xg_41735_desktop_win10_x64/

    Enjoy ;) :cool:

    Ok here is what they do on every driver :) I got the list from there dead website http://tweakforce.com by using http://web.archive.org/ ;)
    XG drivers are tweaked to improve image quality and stability while performance may increase or decrease slightly depending on your system specs. A few XG registry tweaks include mods to the following:

    Paletted Textures In Video Memory
    Render Quality Flags
    Target Flush Count
    Texture Clamp Behavior
    Texture LOD Bias
    Use Cached PCI Mappings
    Texture Memory Space
    Downloaded Memory Space
    Texture Precache
    UMA Fast Frame Buffering
    Main 3D rendering
    Triple Buffering
    Any more information you want to know.. ask them.. :)
    Here's what I observed comparing between official ones vs XG...
    -Less microstutters
    -Higher OC Potential (Gives me additional 50 ~ 90 MHz more OC) with the same overvolt (I use +75mv) going higher voltage gives me black screen
    -Higher FPS [Not significant-(YMMV)] (due to less stuttering I guess you feel that you are playing at higher frame rate :D)
    -Less latency per a frame (Means smoothie gameplay) ;)
     
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    You said that you use nvslimmer to make debloated driver. But it only supports .exe file so how could you do that with XG drivers? I have both desktop and mobile driver in my lap now and want to debloat it :p
     
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    read here... https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/nvidia-driver-slimming-utility.423072/ and you will know how I do it... ;) :cool:

    I download the official ones.. and I debloat it and when it gets debloated... I compare it with the XG package and I delete the folders depending to the official debloated driver ;) and I replace the setup.cfg file :cool:
    To enjoy the best of the two worlds.. lite & modded XG drivers with Phyx package taken from the official driver package ;)
     
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    I tried 417.35 both Desktop and Notebook version, all gave me a freeze when I was playing Arma 3 after 20 minutes. I will revert to 416.94
     
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    I knew about xtreme G drivers years ago, and was able to get a bump in overclocking and slight i mean like 20 point improvement in benchmarks...benchmarks are one thing games another....in games i sometimes saw equal at worse and a bump of many fps (20fps) in some less demanding games.....long story short. they are worth the trouble
     
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    XG 417.42 Vulkan Beta WIN10 x64
    As always... :)

    XtremeG released it with modded drivers [Performance + Tweaks] as always :)

    For Laptops/Desktops:-
    https://www.reddit.com/r/XtremeG/comments/a6mrbw/xg_41742_vulkan_beta_win10_x64/
    Enjoy ;) :cool:

    Ok here is what they do on every driver :) I got the list from there dead website http://tweakforce.com by using http://web.archive.org/ ;)
    XG drivers are tweaked to improve image quality and stability while performance may increase or decrease slightly depending on your system specs. A few XG registry tweaks include mods to the following:

    Paletted Textures In Video Memory
    Render Quality Flags
    Target Flush Count
    Texture Clamp Behavior
    Texture LOD Bias
    Use Cached PCI Mappings
    Texture Memory Space
    Downloaded Memory Space
    Texture Precache
    UMA Fast Frame Buffering
    Main 3D rendering
    Triple Buffering
    Any more information you want to know.. ask them.. :)
    Here's what I observed comparing between official ones vs XG...
    -Less microstutters
    -Higher OC Potential (Gives me additional 50 ~ 90 MHz more OC) with the same overvolt (I use +75mv) going higher voltage gives me black screen
    -Higher FPS [Not significant-(YMMV)] (due to less stuttering I guess you feel that you are playing at higher frame rate :D)
    -Less latency per a frame (Means smoothie gameplay) ;)
     
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    As always... :)

    XtremeG released it with modded drivers [Performance + Tweaks] as always :)

    For Laptops/Desktops:-
    https://www.reddit.com/r/XtremeG/comments/aah7u3/xg_41758_hotfix_win10_x64/
    Enjoy ;) :cool:
    Sooner or later I will release XG drivers [Lite & Debloated + Physx] today or tomorrow ;)
    Ok here is what they do on every driver :) I got the list from there dead website http://tweakforce.com by using http://web.archive.org/ ;)
    XG drivers are tweaked to improve image quality and stability while performance may increase or decrease slightly depending on your system specs. A few XG registry tweaks include mods to the following:

    Paletted Textures In Video Memory
    Render Quality Flags
    Target Flush Count
    Texture Clamp Behavior
    Texture LOD Bias
    Use Cached PCI Mappings
    Texture Memory Space
    Downloaded Memory Space
    Texture Precache
    UMA Fast Frame Buffering
    Main 3D rendering
    Triple Buffering
    Any more information you want to know.. ask them.. :)
    Here's what I observed comparing between official ones vs XG...
    -Less microstutters
    -Higher OC Potential (Gives me additional 50 ~ 90 MHz more OC) with the same overvolt (I use +75mv) going higher voltage gives me black screen
    -Higher FPS [Not significant-(YMMV)] (due to less stuttering I guess you feel that you are playing at higher frame rate :D)
    -Less latency per a frame (Means smoothie gameplay) ;)
     
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    @6.|THE|1|BOSS|.9 I have tried the XG just to see what they are like and boy doesn't it really kill performance the frametimes on BF:V is worse with XG drivers then stock, its not smooth but micro stuttering to hell and this is just at stock clocks, Its even worse with OC Scanner Profile. No offence to you and each to their own like but i think i will be going back to J95's drivers.

    Also side note as well your drivers doesn't have all the GPU ID's in them.
     
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    I can see that you got pascal GPU.. so.. I guess or maybe the XG drivers doesn't go well with it.. the benefits is much more for those who got nvidia maxwell gpus ;) yet XG is highly dependent to nVidia base driver versions and to users configuration :) so... I won't be surprised when I see reports of negative performance and it is normal to happen due to how those XG drivers are tweaked :cool:

    Nothing is better than enjoying the adventure of trying & testing ;) :D that is the only way that we can decide what is best for us or what is not ;) in order to decide... you must try :rolleyes:
     
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    Yes I have a Pascal GPU (shouldn't have but I do), it was the 417.58 HF XG driver you posted I tested. However I am now back on 416.xx seems the best driver thus far for my GTX1060.

    Thanks for not taking it personally though my dude. I thought I give them a shot used to use the XG Forceware drivers back in the day.

    Sent from my LLD-L31 using Tapatalk
     
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    The reason you get good performance might be higher than avg. ASIC quality.
     
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    There is exactly nothing in that thread that answers the question in a detailed way.
     
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    I am not the ones who needs to ask for.... I didn't make the XG drivers :rolleyes: I pointed to this thread specifically for 2 reasons... First.. not everyone will have positive performance and Second... To show that if anyone want to know anything related to XG driver.. ask him on his XG reddit... not me :)

    I even provid details about the tweaks as much as I have found on every new driver update :)
    So... as you can see above... don't blame me for not providing enough details... this is all the information that I have got from XG. Want to know more? Ask him! ;)

    I don't care about how he do it... I care about the results :cool:
     
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    I'm not blaming you for anything, I'm just pointing out you said go there for answers and there are no answers there.
     
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    There aren't any detailed info. You might be shoot XG driver author a question about tweaks included in base drivers.
     
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    I don't really care much, stock works great for me, but it would help to know what exactly the changes are if they are going to bother going through the trouble of releasing their own version.
     
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    So that means this driver works better on Maxwell than on Pascal, correct?
     
    Mr.K-1994, Dec 31, 2018
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    according to the reports... yes :) positive performance effect is more reported on Maxwell GPU's than Pascal :) but that does not mean it won't benefit Pascal or even those new Ray tracing cards ;)
     
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    Mate do you consider making a new thread dedicated to this or even pinned, where the first post would have all the drivers, the OG in a section and your own debloated version in another.

    Do you know any other way to tweak the drivers or tweak them using NVIDIA Profile Inspector?

    Happy new year!
     
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    We can do that here ;) right @Vasudev ? :)
    You can take all my debloated versions and put it in the main post :)

    Related to Nvidia Profile Inspector... let me just arrive home & after that I will give you all my tweaks :cool: also I remember @Vasudev knows some tweaks too ;)

    Happy new year to you & to all NBR members ❤
     
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    That I can do.
    I do some tweaks for more eye candies and pleasantries which hurts performance by 10-20%.
     
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    Vasudev, Jan 1, 2019
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    Forum software does not allow that.
     
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    Here.. I use those tweaks personally :)
    upload_2019-1-1_21-56-56.png

    I use PowerThrottle due to special case... since I unlocked VBIOS for my nVidia GPU... it was power throttling all the time unless I enable PowerThrottle usage to [SET_POWER_THROTTLE_FOR_PCIe_COMPLIANCE_ON] and I no more suffer from PowerThrottling issues.. in fact not even at maximum load on GPU unless it reaches to 83C (which it never touches it) :D by default my unlocked VBIOS is set to 89C maximum :) but I prefer to be more conservative since I'm overvolted GPU ;)

    I have used alot of combination and those are the best for my own GPU :cool: I don't know if it will work with others optimal or not :)
     
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