NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480M is out

The specs are out today @ Notebookcheck

& according to them "The performance of the Nvidia GeForce GTX 480M should be better than the ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5870"

Notebookcheck: NVIDIA: GeForce GTX 480M announced

Notebookcheck: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480M

Edit: link from nvidia

http://blogs.nvidia.com/ntersect/2010/05/worlds-fastest-notebook-gpu-geforce-gtx-480m.html

 

Theres no doubt that it should, but 100w on a card, is just not showing true power over ati lol.

 

What's up with notebookcheck, are they drunk when writing about new hardware ?

"on par with a desktop Radeon HD 4770." ? I guess they meant 5770 ? That's already almost where the 5870M stands so that wouldn't be so impressive.

 

If it can overclock back to GTX 465 clocks, it's on par with the GTX 275, and sometimes the 5850.

Incredible.

Also...

This.

 

Naa its inaccurate, the 480 will most likely destroy the 5770 i think. (Which puts it ahead of the 5870 mobility too)

Im certain of this, but perf/watt ratio is just well, its good performance at sloppy efficiency.

 

Sorry to double post, but this info is something all onlookers of this chip series should think about:

I'm curious about both the power input rating as well as the TDP. Doesn't sound like even the beefiest of notebooks will be able to SLI these things. Is this a move towards single "large" chips running notebooks as well?

Remember something very important as more news comes on this chip. Memory and the interfaces to them take a lot of power and the large bus will give off heat. AMD lowered the HD 5870 to a 128 bit interface to meet the power requirements, and often you see that in mobile chips because large memory interfaces eat up power and put out heat.

Additionally GDDR5 uses up juice too. It's not shocker when a 512mb mobile chip outlasts the same chip with a 1gb memory just on the power used by the memory alone (assuming the same bus size on both). So you have two things that will up the useage of this chip beyond the chip itself, the bus (which is double the bandwidth of the HD 5870 btw) and the option to use "up to" 2gb of GDDR5. Even if they only outfit it with 1GB, the bus size is going to be a monster.

What's funny is this thing looks like it might be competetive with Crossfire HD 5870's... I'm not sure on that, but it's got a lot of shader units, and it's certainly got double the memory bandwidth of a single HD 5870.

If the M17x or Clevo manage somehow to SLI these beasts, sign me up

 

lol I think SLIing these maybe be impossible atm. just try to think how could they possibly cool these babies, I can't really imagine how could they pull that off :O

 

I'd say sager are the only ones capable of true, decent temp 480 sli.

 

Yeah, Clevo has the X7200 coming, desktop CPU + SLI 480M or CFx 5870.

 

AW and Clevo are both shooting for 400w SLI laptops at late August. IDK, too much power and heat, and the early price tags are huge, I don't like this direction at all, but so be it.

 

Hmm, alienware have proved to be phenominal in the cooling area, but i think even the m17x will break, maybe they will get it to hot temperatures in which gaming is ok but not furmarking/stressing/overclocking.

 

The rumor birdie says AW is modifying the chassis to handle it. I.E. how the W880CU modified the W870CU chassis to make the 480 acceptable.

 

Oh in that case my faith level has risen , one cannot fault alienwares current engineering and if they're improving it, then awesome!

 

100 watts for this card?

 

Memory bandwidth is not increased - seems strange 256 bit x 1200 speed GDDR5 should yield more bandwidth than they are listing.

Specs are on the Nvidia page.

And yes SLI is a capability of the chip.

I'd believe that AW and Clevo will do whatever it takes to put 2 of these monsters in a chassis. If either one manages USB 3 and two of these, I'll be writing a check...

 

Why even bother at this point? Just buy a desktop for far less money and be done with it?

I'm just scratching my head on what the point of a 100 watt GPU is for a notebook, to me it defeats the point of notebook in every aspect.

Happy for those who were waiting for such an oddity.

But in my opinion, this is a gigantic failure from Nvidia. Just proved they couldn't do what AMD/ATi managed to do.

 

Pump the heatsink full of LN2 gas? Or, hmm, perhaps start making heatsinks out of silver (Y)

 

Why...? Why? why? You NEED that kind of performance?

 

I don't get it myself. This failure from Nvidia will cost $300 or more than the HD5870M alone.

Clevo and Alienware are already on the blacklist for majority of people for size and noise alone. Why Nvidia decided to break records for this also is confusing also.

I just can't imagine how massive this thing will be. Can't imagine how massive the heat sink will have to be for it.... or how loud this is going to be. I think some users are forgetting the GTX 480 IDLES at 90C!!!!

To me this is a giant failure from Nvidia and if I was a Nvidia fan, I'd be pretty upset with this. At this point you have to ask yourself, what's the difference between this and just building a desktop for 1/4 the cost. The cost for a GTX 480M notebook will be astronomical no doubt.

 

400W? I hope they don't even bother to put in a battery, seriously. It's only adding cost and weight and consuming packaging space they could use for cooling. Come to think of it, why not just buy a Shuttle PC with a monitor. It'd probably consume less power and be much more powerful, and weigh about the same. It surely won't be "portable" by any stretch of the imagination. (10+ lbs?)

 

Its getting ridiculous, they'll need to start abandoning traditional air cooling and perhaps invent a water cooling system for laptops. Or some kind of high heat capacity noble gas... idk something like that.

nVidia probably wouldn't have had to struggle this hard to get a cutting edge GPU out if they hadn't released all those defective GPU's a couple years back.

 

I just hope ATi/AMD doesn't follow this trend and continue to provide a GPU that is made for Notebooks, not some monstrosity because Nvidia are bunch of failboats unable to create a GPU suitable for notebooks.

While I want better performance from the next gen ATi, I hope they continue to follow the power per watt model and can be cooled efficiently without a turbine.

Think about this. Do you really want water inside your notebook that you are going to carrying around and transporting, as that is why we buy notebooks, for portability. Imagine carrying around a desktop with a water reservoir.... I can imagine enough ways for a notebook to break than to have a pump break loose, hoses get loose, water splashing around. I also can't imagine how large of a notebook you would need to accommodate this.

I think the real answer is, Clevo will just install turbines to cool this failure.

 

Exactly my point, we are getting to this tipping point where we can't pack much more power into a laptop before it stops being a laptop.

 

Yay ps3 fans in laptops!!

 

haha, the 100W 480M is gonna give the laptop makers a major headache cooling it down. Seriously, even if they manage to keep the temp within the acceptable range, you are gonna end up with a monstrously huge/thick notebook, wait can you even call that a notebook? lol

 

Aha, yeah i'll stick with my ThinkPad W700 with a fairly adequate Quadro FX 2700M (9700M GTS) thanks, it's plenty powerful enough paired with a T9600, and barely makes a sound at load, plus it's futureproof, MXM 3.0 so i can upgrade it to a FX 3700M (GTX 280M) and a QX9300!

 

I don't get the hate. The chip is here, and it's way more powerful than expected.

The 480M is soon to be available for the existing 17"+ Clevo notebooks, no mods involved. It's even coming to the Thinkpad, in Quadro form.

All of this turbine, water cooling talk is kinda out there.

 

I'm assuming its just ONE card.

 

You doubt it's just one card?

The GTX 480 has 485 Cores and at peak load has been recorded exceeding 400 watts....

This failure seems to be using around 350 cores.

The GT 420 estimated July/August will be a FERMI 50 watt. Estimated probably around 128 Core with DDR3 last I read.

 

Ahahaha, right, of course it is i doubt that since most every ThinkPad graphics solution is always 1 or 2 gen's behind the norms. How is that kind of talk "out there"? It really isn't, you go try to put a 100W card in a 17" chassis, you're ok with noisy as hell fans???? I'm not. ThinkPads engineers have too much sense to try fitting a crap load of raw power such as the GTX 480M into a ThinkPad, it's like the Bugatti.... pretty much a failure and essentially to just say "look at how we can have a quad turbo'ed W16 engine in a car!"

And holy crap, 400W?!!!!!!!??!?!?!?!

 

Ziddy stop fanboiing. You don't like fermi, get out of this thread.

 

"Out there"? It's stated to sink 100W. The 5870 is 50W, and the 480M GTX should theoretically only barely outperform it. Even allowing that the 100W includes the memory, that's still almost double the power output for nowhere near the equivalent performance increase.

In a notebook. Where power and heat dissipation is already at a huge premium.

What I don't get are the Nvidia apologists in this thread... how can you defend this? I'm sure if ATI cherry-picked some 5870's and overvolted and overclocked them they could easily beat the 480M GTX. And still use less power.

 

I probably didn't word it correctly. Whats the wattage for a single card and sli card. Whats the min/max wattage?

 

I have to poke fun at comments like this. It is hard to define anything as a "need" except for food and water.

Do we need Windows 7? No, Windows XP worked for most stuff. Do we need Core i7 processors? No, the Core 2 was fine for a lot of things . . .

You could go back to the beginning of humankind with that kind of reasoning. "Need" this, "need" that.

The bottom line is people can buy what they want. If they want this kind of power, it's out there and they are more than welcome to buy it.

 

In the Clevo forum, Eurocomm said they will be using a 300 watt PSU just in case because peak load is far different from what Nvidia advertises. Nvidia advertised the GTX 480 using around 250 watt or something low. But as I've said, there are reports of 480 exceeding 400 watts.

So 100 watt for this beast? Yeah maybe at normal, but at peak, I will not be surprised in the least if we start reading reports at peak load, the 480M breaking 150 and beyond.

 

I mean, people have been complaining about Nvidia rebrands rebrands rebrands and when fermi actually comes out, people still complain. Cmon guys...

 

Lawlz, true say, but i find it pretty hard to justify getting a laptop that won't even be able to have a battery.

 

I've never been a fanboy of either ATI or Nvidia, I came onto the scene late when both cards were even and have no real preference. But it's the principle of what you're letting go because of ultimately self fatalistic nature of super competitiveness driving superficial and unneccesary results.

Why would one ever support these companies forcing laptops to become larger and larger, we will reach a time when the line between desktop and laptop become completely blurred, and I'd argue it's almost already there. It's like saying, well Bonds and McGwire really gave us a show guys, and the results to be the best, darned if they used steroids to give us it. Well Nvidia is really giving us the results, darned if it makes heat a major problem and makes laptops have to increase in size.

At least the 5870 is 50w and laptops don't have to increase the 17' frame size to maintain its cooling ability.

 

People complain because they've rebranded for 3 years, and now the new architecture is hot, expensive and just barely outperforms ATI's chips, and is absolutely CRUSHED by ATI in the performance/watt metric. Nvidia is already "overclocking" like they did with the rebrands but now with a brand-new architecture, just to try to barely stay competitive.

 

My only point was that laptops aren't becoming larger, to accommodate this new chip.

Too much hostility present. We don't need to draw battle lines during civil discussion.

 

How so? The 480 compliant W880CU is a modified W870CU only larger. The x7200 is a larger 17' then the D900f, which was made that large to support desktop CPU's. The rumor is AW is also increasing the M17x in very specific areas to have better heatsinks. I refuse to support this kind of movement.

 

Is it? It has more shaders than rumored, but the clock speed is substantially lower than most people would have guessed so I'd say it's about as powerful as expected: enough to beat the 5870, but probably not by much. We'll know for sure in a few weeks.

 

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Would I be correct in assuming I won't be able to get a hold of a machine with the 480M for less than ~$2500?

I would think the "most powerful mobile GPU" would demand quite a premium.

Also, I am absolutely convinced Nvidia threw out every constraint (size, power, cooling, efficiency, packaging, cost) after the shellacking they have taken from ATi this past quarter. Making the most powerful GPU is a title to hold, just too bad it didn't translate into a reasonable product.

 

£353 more expensive then a 285m, now we already know a 5870 is cheaper. Thats a massive premium to pay.

 

Clevo D901C = 15.9" x 11.9" x 2.4".

x7200 = 16.5" x 11.26" x 2.4"

16:10 vs 16:9
...

W870CU = 16.25" x 11" x 1.69" ~ 2.25"

W881CU = 16.26" x 11" x 1.69" ~ 2.24"

 

I was referring to the D900f as the D901c has been discontinued for some time. Either way I got these specs from two websites on the D901c ...15.9x11.75x 2.35. Did you happen to use a Eurocom manual which is incorrect on things often?

Either way the x7200 dimensions are monsterous, undoubtedly and arguably have gotten larger. I'm not so sure why the Clevo released an entirely new chassis for the 480 in the W881CU, only to shrink it .01 in one area and raise .01 in another? Dimension discrepencies aside the power consumption and price trend in this Nvidia card are ridiculous.

EDIT; speaking of price, I, like you Kevin just read Hemi's post. Apparently the 480 is gonna be $625 USD more then the 5870? Seriously? How is that remotely justifiable?

 

I would prefer ATI continue it's performance per watt model AND follow suit with a power sucking monster GPU. Lowering power consumption but not pushing the maximum thermal design of a notebook is a waste of potential.

Specs are higher than expected but power still has yet to be quantified.

See Chaz's post about need.

 

It sure does!!!! Now owners can enjoy their ..."I have the world's most powerful video card" title.

 

Seems like great news to me. I expect this thing to topple small governments and chew bubble gum while doing it. I don't mind running a small nuclear reactor if I get better gaming than the people who have been constantly screaming ATI is better for months. I bet the drivers will work great.


Make it so.