New Asus ROG Ryzen Laptops On The Way!

Hm... a bit steep indeed.
Why is 8GB RAM still a baseline offer in 2017?
I installed that into my Acer about 5 years ago.

The RAM speeds are throwing me off a bit as Ryzen could use faster memory to work better.

Alternatively, one could configure the 1700 laptop with 4GB RAM (if configuarbility is offered) and then just buy 16GB of 3000 Mhz one off Amazon if Asus won't offer them.

A same desktop 1700 Ryzen system (with a 1080p freesync monitor, keyboard and mouse) would come out to about £1100 -£1200. But forget portability in those desktop systems.


I guess the trade-off here is that you either need more graphics power (in which case you'd go for the system with GTX 1070, or you go for the more powerful CPU (1700).

1600 system seems like I could manage it... though I'd really prefer 1700 due to 8 cores.


Although, the battery seems weak.


BTW Miguel... where did you see those pre-order prices?
I don't see them on the asus website.

 

4gb vram? really?

 

Basically a death sentence from the start.

 

It's BGA right? Could they have run out of room on the board?

 

We don't know if the 580 is bga though. But we knew it will have 4gb vram. It's probably one of the reasons they were able to bring it down to 65w tdp (in addition to undervolting and clocking it to 1200 MHz).

I wonder though what the temperatures will be.

 

I just haven't seen the boards supporting mobile AMDs lately, hopefully we can get a look at one.

 

Dead On Arrival.

You could just buy a laptop with a GTX 1070. Good job, AMD and ASUS.

As a wise the wise philosopher Conor McGregor once said:

 

Asus / AMD are using PGA, so you could swap in another CPU at some point in the future

They are selling the laptop based on the value of the CPU, not the GPU.

 

ASUS ROG branding means it is a gaming laptop first, and should be judged as such by consumers like us.

Only the most dedicated power user of CPUs would take this over a combo of Intel i7 and GTX 1060/1070.

Gaming laptops don't sell because of their CPUs. If that is really why it's so expensive, they've gone mad.

 

One of the problems any laptop maker has adding AMD to their line up is the tooling and build costs on lower quantity runs, so they charge more, which doesn't help sales - but it's needed to cover the costs.

When the Vega GPU's come out there will be a better pairing, but for now the 580 is it.

A better pairing right now would be AMD CPU + 1080, but Nvidia would likely fight that as they don't want to help AMD in either CPU or GPU market.

The pricing isn't that bad - the performance is more than enough for the price.

I buy gaming laptops for performance, even for work the other high end laptops are gaming laptops, I don't need the even more overpriced workstation laptops - they are way too overpriced for what you get compared to a "gaming" laptop.

So there will be engineers that buy the GL702XC for CPU performance, with a RX580 for "fun-time".

That CPU is so much better than a typical laptop CPU that someone with work needs will get it over a laptop CPU + 1070/1060.

I think Asus could sell a lot of them, I just hope they make enough to make a market.

 

I saw it in a Portuguese tech forum. The user who posted is usually a well informed user who lives in the UK.

Its pre order price, I guess it could be better after launch.

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i'd be surprised if it was using MXM but that would be a big "if".

 

It would be cool if it was mxm. Then we could simply exchange for Vega when it comes out.... Though it would be a question of how high tdp it would support.

That and something else... Are these CPUs bga or not? If not... It should be ok/simple to replace the 1600 with 1700 for example down the line, or heck even ryzen 2 of it stays on the same socket

 

More likely Navi. Vega is high-end only.

 

I would not base a purchase on that being likely even if it is MXM. Assume the opposite and be pleasantly surprised if it happens.

 

Oh I'm hardly basing my purchase on that...
I'm just saying it would be nice it was MXM and not bga. That way you increase chances of MXM cards... but as I said, you then go into the territory of TDP tolerance.
The ROG systems might not be well designed to tolerate higher TDP's... however, if OEM's can fit 120W GTX 1060, 1070 and 1080's into laptops... then the cooling shouldn't really be a problem.

Upgradeability options would certainly be welcome on the same platform.
Just imagine getting Ryzen 1600 laptop with RX 580 and then replacing with Ryzen 2 and Vega or Navi.


This kind of support is more likely on desktops... though if the mobo is a baeline B350 type... and an AM4 chipset, then it should be compatible with future Ryzen CPU's.

 

If they do what they've done in the past, expect a BGA CPU and a proprietary form factor GPU with no upgrade kits available.

 

Even those days are passed. Nowadays ASUS is BGA both even on their thickest G notebooks. Expect no different from this.

 

Was hoping they'd come back to the fold with the newer GPUs. Oh well.

 

If so, they'd be Max-Q cards then no? It'd be great to hear about the next generation of AMD and NVIDIA cards soon though.

 

I meant with their lower end products being BGA and their higher end ones being LGA/MXM.

 

Eventually we have first review of it : https://www.bit-tech.net/previews/t...preview-asus-rog-strix-gl702zc-benchmarked/1/

 

It looks quite promising. Massive cooling but no wonder if during gaming it pull 225W from the socket. Temps going way up to 95C under prime95 but cpu maintain all the time 3.3GHz. As a tinkering gay I see already possibilities to improve cooling and try to crank up cpu and gpu little bit. They say that neither cpu or gpu can be overclocked but I'm pretty sure someone will manage to change that quickly.

 

Neither CPU or GPU can be overclocked? DOA to enthusiasts.

 

This can be overcome eventually, but the soldered GPU can't be.

 

Also I wouldn't describe those little anorexic fans as "massive cooling".

 

Well, the pipes look like a subway map, that must count for something....

You think the fan should be bigger? How bigger? I don't recall any laptop with bigger fans. Only more of them on with more heat exits.

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Well, at least they're not a ridiculous tripod design.

 

Is the GPU actually soldered?
Namely, was this confirmed?

 

Even if it's pulling 225W from the socket, the cooling SHOULD be able to keep the temperatures down by 15-20 degrees C at least (so, 75 to 80 degrees C in total under load) and Ryzen able to sustain it's turbo boost to 3.6 GhZ.

Nvidia+Intel laptops with 7700hq and 1060 (or 1070) likely pull same if not more from the socket under load, yet their cooling can keep them operating at stock boost clocks without throttling.

It's an engineering sample for now, so I'm hoping Asus will have these kinks ironed out before they ship these out.
I want the Ryzen 1700 version with 8 cores and 16 threads.
Plus, it should be possible to undervolt both the GPU and CPU.

Ryzen is susceptible to an undervolt - so Asus could easily play around with it and optimize the voltages for each laptop.

 

yea i fantasies when i can have a 16 thread cpu in my laptop, rendering times will be cut in half for me, but i guest thats not till another 2 years, but i should have enough money laying around by then.

 

A new class of DTR workstation cannot come soon enough.

 

I wonder if the rogs will offer amd cpu with nVidia gpu

 

Haven't heard anything but I think Clevo has mixed in the past so it's not entirely out of the question.

 

I have no doubt clevo will at least with it's MXM lines as they clearly listen to the market I think the rogs are all BGA now, someone correct me if I'm wrong

 

Pretty sure you're right, but it wouldn't really matter with them because the last few I recall seeing socketed GPUs they were a form factor that didn't look like it would fit in anything else (and like nothing else would fit in).