New GTX 680M review (The truth)

Nah, I'm not closing the thread. It makes for an interesting social science experiment.

 

^^ nice!!!

 

Both 680M and 7970M will have issues. That's a given, high performance/gamging/workstation laptops always have issues.

What is your budget? Then list the things you need. And get whatever you can best for your dollar. Guaranteed, no notebook is perfect.

My point is, some problems and issues come with the territory with high end Clevo/AW right now, unfortunately.

 

I think it easier for the thread to stay alive when users aren't trashing each other.

I love my 7970m, but seriously, what am I to gain or lose from the 680m being a little faster? They both are awesome cards and if you think it is worth the pay the extra to get the top card, that's your choice and people should respect it.

As far as the reviews go, I agree that we should always cross check the results. In the end, however, you could make an argument that almost every, if not all, review is flawed in some way and you need to take the results with a grain of salt.

 

nice video playing bf3 multiplayer in clevo p170em with 680m Bf3 mp clevop170em 680m - YouTube

 

Yup, another one who get around 45FPS with Ultra on 680M. I guess thats pretty good considering its multiplayer too.

Thanks

 

He play on high, when he set everything to ultra he get 30-40 fps. But then he change it to high for the video. ( 1min51 )

 

What this review showed me was that the 7970 is still the price/performance card to get. If you have unlimited funds, get the 680m by all means, I would (as well as upgrade every single feature of that laptop, and then buy a desktop with an even more expensive card because of the unlimited funds)! But if you want to save $350 for equal performance that you could put towards say a nice SSD, go that way instead IMO.

 

Yep. For low 400's you can get a Crucial M4 512GB and have enough room for the OS and all your games.

 

By far one of the most sensible posts in this thread. +rep.

 

At least power consumption is going down, gaming laptops are now being more better. idles and full stress test of the new cards have gone down especially with switchable graphics.

I was actually suprised the 680m took so little power. I thought knowing nvidia they would consume as much power as they can to get the high performance knowing how powerful the 7970m was.

Anyway I wouldn't be suprised to see 700m and 8000m series to have 7000 3dmark11.

 

Woot!

Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3610QM Processor,CLEVO P15xEMx score: P7057 3DMarks



That's with stock drivers, no way to overclock more than +135MHz core and so far +400MHz on the vRAM without a hitch. But I think the core is holding back better performance yet. Hoping to find a way to unlock for overclock.

Max power consumption was 145W from the wall, peaked there only once, otherwise was typically no more than 140W.

http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3825055

 

htwingnut, you got the score I expect the revisions to get. Thats the only good thing about low power consuming cards means 7970m and 680m can oc lots.

 

Just saw a guy upload a BF3 MP vid on YouTube on 680m with 3610qm in a clevo thats getting only 30ish fps.
Nvidia GeForce GTX 680M (Battlefield 3 test) - YouTube

 

It looks like a v-sync issue

 

I just gave it a shot with Ultra and was in 40's for the most part. Dipped to 30's with lots of crap going on.

 

Have you tried NVIDIA System Tools?

 

How do they only get 5200 in 3dmark11 for the 680m? Also the games are a joke as benchmarks with a couple exceptions of course. I just hope Nvidia drops price to comparable levels like they did with the 580m.

 

Wait, the 12.7 beta actually helped with cooling ? I thought it was like 5% increase in some games and that was it.

 

Yeah, no go.

 

I heard CUDA has taken a step down on Kepler...I would like to know how stock CUDA performance compares to the GTX580M before making a purchase.

 

Didn't overclock it at all or it had an artificial core OC limit?

The artificial OC limit can be worked around by saving and editing a profile.

 

Well it makes sense for Nvidia to do that. From my understanding, it's not a step down, they completely crippled it.

I would imagine it angered corporate knowing people were paying only $500 for a GTX 480 that had FERMI with good GPGPU power! And only the most professional and wealthy buying the Quadro 4000/5000

Now, Nvidia I think is saying, you bad! Bad! Pay up for the power of GPGPU if you want it!

Damn nice score WingNut. That's incredible!

 

Benchmarking the new Kepler (GTX 680) — GPU Software Blog

although contrary to benchmarks a GTX 680 is sliwer than a 580 in the Adobe Mercury render engine for Premier Pro in CUDA mode

yes numbers are for desktops but should not be greatly different % wise to mobile chips

for OpenCL, and FP64 all the Kepler GPU;s are way behind their predecessors ( around -30% )

 

Don't forget the GTX485m/GTX580m is based of GF104/GF114, which are also partially crippled Fermi cores. Only the GTX480m was the full glory fermi, with the GF100. GF110 never made it into a mobile chip. EDIT: actually that's wrong, it made it's appearance in the Quadro 5010M

I would expect similar eventually with Kepler. There will probably be a 700 series with GK11x based GPU's. This time we launched with GK104, instead of GK100, but there should be a GK110 based part soon. Those are the ones that will have faster-then-fermi compute. It's definitely tyoo bad for nVidia that Keplers reputation in general is based on GK104 compute performance, which is obviously one of the crippled Keplers.

Right now for nVidia compute the 480M is the best mobile Geforce right now, while the GF110 based Quadro 5010M remains VERY expensive.

 

Why are the nVidia GPU's limited to only max +135MHz OC?

P7122 now with beta drivers

http://3dmark.com/3dm11/3825429

The GPU is holding me back though. I think it could push near 1000MHz at stock voltage.

 

My HD7970M does not OC as well as Meaker's etc. This is 1000 core, 1350 memory. 12.6 WHQL, I wonder if future drivers from AMD once they natively support Enduro for 7970M officially, score will go up.

Again, incredible scores HTWingNut.

 

This is my 7970m at 950/1500.
AMD Radeon HD 7970M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3610QM Processor,CLEVO P15xEMx score: P6616 3DMarks

The OC potential on the 680m is just nasty. That core speed cap is ridiculous.

 

So to break 7000 on the 7970M, it seems you need 1050 core and 1600 memory, which I think some AW users can do.

Anyway, it seems clear the GTX 680M is pure gaming beast. They stripped the GPGPU and just optimized the crud out of it for gaming, and ONLY gaming.

What I would be very curious about is, if and when Bullet Physics does utilize GPGPU in the future, how will Kepler gaming do? Probably fine as I don't expect the Physics using OpenCL/GPGPU be very taxing. Just mumbling here.

 

Sorry not getting this, but how does the 680m overclock? Is it better than 7970m? (on average as all cards overclock differently)

 

Not sure what the vRAM cooler looks like on the 7970m, but it is an absolute BEAST on the 680m. never seen such a gigantic RAM cooler.

Preliminary results (3DMark11) shows it can clock better. So far it's limited by the +135MHz Core, which I believe can go much higher even without bumping voltage. I'll have to figure a way out somehow.

I just edited a profile and activated it and vRAM clocks, but the GPU stays at stock.

 

I wonder if it's in the vBios, this limit. In which case since Clevo has the dGPU go through the iGPU, you are screwed, unless the tool you use to flash Nvidia can recognize your the 680M. For 7970M, it's a no go here.

 

Its not solely depending on overclock capabilities, but also driver capabilities when comparing the GTX 680m with the 7970m here we go again...

 

Nice beast htwingnut, enjoy the power! Looks like we have a new crown for 3dmark11 but can you also post your stock 3dmark11? I want to compare oc headroom between 7970m. Anyway great beast, enjoy!!

 

thats funny because its the same one as is used on the 485m... hmm i remember vaguely that you had a 485m at one point, and i guess you never repasted or anything. haha

 

If you take into consideration that many of these games including Metro 2033 are all nVidia/PhysX optimized, which means they were built on CUDA cores. This means the AMD card is pushing extra effort to get things up and running! Taking that into account, I doubt the raw performance of the 680M could possibly match the 7970M, and we're so not talking about synthetic benchmarks. nVidia is just way too good with their e- marketing strategy and driver supported benchmark boosts. After all, 3DMark is all pro-nVidia, since it utilizes PhysX/CUDA too!

 

actually metro 2033 has always run better on amd cards, ever since the 6970m if i do declare.

btw ht you should definantly try adding the foil tape mod, it made a huge difference on my machine, it dropped literally 18c. not to mention i can overclock and volt it now to 726 core on my 485m completely stable. 26.5% overclock ftw!

 

Nice 3D numbers.

 

That just shows AMD's improvements to play games like Metro 2033. Metro 2033 was paid for Nvidia... They threw money at the company. Have you played this game? It might as well have been called Nvidia 2033.

 

Exactly my point!

 

Great scores HTwingnut, thanks
Btw pau1ow just shared this link, another review of 680m vs 7970m:

Test: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680M im Schenker P702

It's in German but it's a good reading.

 

kingpinzero i don't understand, this is the same review Cloudfire posted in the first page.

 

Y U NO READ OP!! Sorry I had to.

what's the foil tape mod? Sorry if this is something searching would drum up.

 

lol true sorry, i didnt saw it. ive been reading the thread on phone without paying attention to links.

Oh well lol fail.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/sag...0em-7970m-gpu-cooling-performance-foiled.html

 

So, the only way I would see it is not a fair comparison is if we choose to not hold AMD accountable for selling a product that is defective. True performance takes all aspects of the ownership experience into consideration. The 7970M is jacked regardless of the platform. Clevo does not hold bragging rights on that, LOL.

Interestingly, it seems to make no difference which sub-forum you're in... all the 680M threads morph into threads about what is wrong with 7970M.

 

Because it is the direct competition to the 680M, Mr. Fox. Also, people without issues usually don't seek out fixes to problems that don't exist

 

And what are those problems that don't exist that you are referring to? And, in whose world are you saying that they don't exist?

 

The world where those folks that aren't having problems don't seek out help for issues that they don't have. I am not attacking you here, but I am getting the vibe that you think that I am.

Granted, people with problems do make a lot of noise! I know I did when crossfire was mostly broken for me.