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    New GTX 680M review (The truth)

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Cloudfire, Jul 6, 2012.

  1. mitsuhide

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    Clevo P170HM
    i7-2920XM @ 2.5GHz
    GTX 680M @ 1.037V @ Core 1000/ VRAM 1200




     
  2. Vahlen

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    There's a difference between paying a "premium" and paying ~30% more basically the same performance. By your logic everyone should be driving (and paying for) Mercedes instead of Toyotas.
     
  3. maverick1989

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    All those electronics that are in your sig and their accessories cost you what? Ten grand? By a show of hands, who here can afford to pay that much, or about 4k (which is about what your M18x should have cost you) to play video games?

    Now by a show of hands, who wants to play but can afford to spend about 1.5-2k?

    I don't think we need an actual show of hands here to answer those questions. And no it is not your problem we are poor, sure. That does not make for a good reason, however, to completely ignore apparently inferior GPU upgrades that cost about $200 and still pretty much make all games of today playable.

    Finally, no the argument isn't about SLI. The dual GPU argument barely makes for a page or so of this thread. The argument was about whether NBC's review was truly nonsense and then whether it was worth paying the premium for the GPU, not for support for dual GPUs. I think it has been answered several times by many sensible people that it does not matter. Even 40 fps and 55 fps which is a big difference, does not matter to many.

    Because I do not have an extra 500 bucks to get the 680m does not mean I should be stuck with the 675m. For people like me, there is the 7970m that gives similar performance in most games and for the ones that it doesn't do so well on, well, I'll play those AFTER the drivers come out. For others who can afford to pay that kind of money, they get the 680m. It really does not matter whether my GPU is better or not. If the 680m is better, well done nvidia.
     
  4. 2.0

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    Really? What do I favor? I hardly even game. No time in life really. I favor neither Nvidia or AMD (maybe Nvidia a bit). Look into my post history.

    And the "crack" was light banter to a poster who thought the thread might be closed. But now that I think about it, it turns out to that it actually would be an interesting social science set up given some of the posts that came afterward.

    Bias? You're assumption based on what? Giving kudos to a poster who after several pages of adolescent bickering says something sensible means I'm for... what? Sensibility. Yes, I'm biased towards sensible posts. AMD? Nope. Nvidia, nope, not really. Intel? Well, there I might be a bit. CPU wise. I've owned AMD CPUs and they weren't nearly as powerful and ran hotter. So I do avoid their CPUs. But it was fun undervolting them to make them run a little cooler. Served me well for 2 years. RIP TX2500.

    OK. So what's the problem? Cloudfire is a notorious troll. Mod team has been getting reports from posters for a while about him. He starts to report and is puzzled that we (the mod team) didn't jump to his defense.

    You sure do make a lot of assumptions don't you?

    PMs were sent - by me. You can ask a few in this thread (not that they would admit to it, considering). Warnings were issued also. "Well placed warning posts" were made in a number of these threads. Posts were edited also. And this is for both the sides of the "war?" The mod team doesn't play favorites - unless we really like you and you have been an even keeled poster. We're always on the look out for mod candidates.


    BTW, we have to deal with this GPU fanboy nonsense in multiple sections of the forum. Sager/Clevo, Alienware, and Gaming. What's funny is that some of the same posters are in all three sections going on about this or that. Some are sensible in one section but go batty in another.

    There goes that assumption thing again. I have NO bias towards AMD. If you really put my feet to the fire, one could call me somewhat biased towards Nvidia since I owned many more computers which had Nvidia GPUs and avoided buying or configuring ones with AMD GPUs unless there was no alternative. I still own 2 notebooks with Nvidia GPUs as the one with the AMD GPU died.

    If there's anything I'm biased against, it's trolls that come running to the mod team for protection against reaction to their trolling. It's hypocritical.

    Ummm.... yeah, this isn't AMD's forum. It's not Nvidia's either. That goes without saying. (I almost wanted to say, "duh." You really need to read around the forum a bit.)

    Well, anyway, your post is so way off base with this assumption of AMD bias. Your fanboy affinity is making you see something that simply isn't there.

    Cloudfire starts a thread for self validation and with trolling language in the title. "The truth." That ruffled AMD GPU owner's feathers. And all he did was post an alternative review of the 680M. It showed that in most games, the 680M is better. In others, not so much. Great but not surprising. After all, Nvidia has taken the lead in GPUs for a long time now. For the first time, it appears AMD comes close and some could say bests Nvidia at this game or that. And that it's cheaper, some really dig that.

    But there really wasn't anything for anyone to argue over. Numbers are numbers. But when you have a notorious troll starting a thread with what amounts to "I told you so," you're going to get certain reactions from posters.

    Personally, I like the fact that the 680M uses 28nm die and consumes less power and runs cooler which makes for a quieter idle. Perfect for an SLI set up that if I were a gamer, I would go for. SLI would be needed for me since I would pair it with a 27" IPS monitor @ 2560 x 1440. Only thing that seems to be an issue is Clevo/Sager's implementation of Optimus in that it routes through the Intel Integrated GPU's post processing. I'd rather they did it the way Alienware does. But as it is, Clevo chose the cheaper way out.

    So much for your bias theory, huh? You might want to read around a bit before laying a charge of bias. If you had claimed I was Nvidia biased, you might have had some more posts to use to back that up (1 thread in particular where you would find the majority of my posts). I'd still deny it since I don't have a dog in this GPU war nor any material interest as I'm not in the market for a gaming notebook at this time nor in the next year or so.

    Next time you want to lay some charge of bias, you might want to investigate the post history of the one you're laying charge against. Or if that's too much trouble, which might be the case if the poster has thousands of posts, simply ask.
     
  5. maxheap

    maxheap caparison horus :)

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    Can anyone please point me to the posts where people are trashing nvidia? among all this talk (I tried to read as much as possible) I didn't encounter a single word against nvidia (except for the price tag, but let's face it, it is 300 dollars more, nothing unreal I guess..)

    what happened was:

    Cloud: nvidia kicks amd's @$$!!!
    Rest: no, it does not, they score the same...
    Cloud: here look! another review where nvidia kicks amd's @$$!!!
    Rest: no, it is still the same.
    Cloud: but here...

    you get the gist.. no one ever trashed nvidia...
     
  6. HTWingNut

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  7. StZu

    StZu Notebook Evangelist

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    Why bother
     
  8. DumbDumb

    DumbDumb Alienware !Wish money wasn't the problem.

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    gosh I wish i could say a knotty word
     
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    Almost spit my coffee on my machine..... Too funny. Thanks for the good laugh.
     
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    Cloudfire, yes, your post was deleted. Stick to actual facts and actually helping people like you claim you want to do. Please stop playing innocent and making all sorts of unfounded assumptions. Your rap sheet of infractions/warnings and poster reports complaining of your actions betrays you.

    (And no they aren't all from 7970 owners as you suspect - shows just how much you get under poster's skins when both camps are irked.)
     
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    Except for Akimox's post about dpc latency (which is significant for those that are audiophiles), this post sums it up nicely...no one ever trashed nvidia except for the price
     
  12. Aikimox

    Aikimox Weihenstephaner!

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    100 new laptops in a year? LOL. In my 17 years of IT, I had serviced thousands of machines (business 70% and consumer 30%). I have also deployed new laptops at a rate of 50-100 per month for a few solid years. Just last month, I have had about 80 new machines pass by (mostly Dell Latitudes, Precisions, Lenovo ThinkPads, MBA/P's, etc)

    I could post a huge list with links to thinkpad, macbook and dell forums with model numbers and GPU failure details, but that am no longer interested in wasting my time.

    I'm not a AMD missionary and don't really care who you vote for. From now on threads like this one are on my ignore list. If someone wants my opinion - PM :) Good luck in your holy war :p
     
  13. hfm

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    I dunno, I've been happy gaming away on my 675, it's amazing when you don't pay attention to benches too much and play instead. :) I know it's not near the fastest, but that's not stopping me from having a blast playing my games.

    For what it's worth, I got Windows 7 for a special advance order price before it was released. Order total on Amazon: $54.43 on June 25, 2009. Microsoft was definitely pushing that deal. It's not unprecedented and not because of how they feel about Windows 8 chance of success.
     
  14. nissangtr786

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    675m has some performance but the point is it is very power hungry. 675m is by far the powest power hungry single gpu card made on a laptop. I saw somewhere that the 680m took 70w less then the 675m when fully stressed and we all know the 680m on gaming is way faster around 60-80% faster then the 675m.

    I reckon if nvidia release a 700m series as power hungry as a 675m we will be looking at 7000-8000 3dmark11 scores for same power consumption as a 675m. We can already see big oc on 680m to 7000 3dmark11 scores as they are nowhere near the limit of a mobile gpu on 28nm.
     
  15. xMAR99

    xMAR99 Notebook Evangelist

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    And here's a troll that is asking for a ban.
    Didn't you get warned about this? I guess some people just don't learn.
     
  16. hfm

    hfm Notebook Prophet

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    Holy mother of... no.. that is not the point. The point is I'm happy with it. Please stop.
     
  17. nissangtr786

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    Well I am just comparing to 680m.
     
  18. Coach Knight

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    I have a 4 year old Gateway P-7811fx that I am replacing with the Alienware in my sig. I totally agree with you that the important thing is to be able to use your machine (gaming or whatever you do with it) and be happy with it.

    Even if you have the "fastest" or "best" it is only that way for such a short time that it is irrelevant. Honestly I'm still pretty happy with my current system, but it's just not quite enough to run some of the newer games I want to try now. Otherwise, I'd be happy to just keep using it. It has been a workhorse of a machine.

    Great post adding a ton of perspective to this issue! ;)
     
  19. nissangtr786

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    thats my point 675m is basically a card that you could get nearly 2 and a half years ago.
     
  20. amirfoox

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    I apologize for my wrong assumption that you aren't doing what's needed to keep the order, I was basing that on what you've said regarding closed threads vs bans, but really had no idea.

    Regarding your supposed bias - Look, I don't know you and your posts' history is really not the point of this discussion. Your current posts in this thread - are. Since I don't have stock options in either company, I don't care one whit about one grubby company or the other, just on what's going on in these forums and how flame wars are being dealt with.

    The cost/performance of AMD sure is unbeatable, no one ever said otherwise, not even the most overzealous nVIDIA 'fanboy' (man, I hate this word) but when guys around here behave all childish, spout their flames all over the place, prevent civil discussion on the matter and gloat and make fun of anyone that might choose or suggest something in favor of nVIDIA, and they do that regardless of their denials (Sorry graz`zt and SlickDude, I can't bother tracking each and every one right now, but they are many), then this needs to be handled, and many times it hadn't, which really ruined the whole atmosphere around here. This happens on a lot of subjects unfortunately, but nVIDIA vs AMD is indeed the worst.

    And yes, I bet this is a handful, but still, whole threads were destroyed by this type of behavior, and these users just kept on to the next thread, ruining one after another. And they seem to avoid being rebuked at all, as they keep on staying here and repeating their behavior. I was looking for the reason, and seeing your messages in this thread, I thought that this might be the cause these guys are still around, spewing their petrol. And regardless of reporting on their bad behavior, I noticed nothing gets done about these guys, so I thought this must be to a certain bias on the mod-team's part. Since what you've said seems like picking sides, I jumped to the conclusion that this might be the reason. I guess I was wrong and made false assumption, then, but this whole situation sure is awful.
     
  21. maverick1989

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    No you couldn't. The 675m as it is currently named came out a few months ago. The 580m of which it is a rebrand, came out June last year.
     
  22. hfm

    hfm Notebook Prophet

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    I totally need a 7970M or 680M to bump my Smithing up in Skyrim so I can finally try to make some Dragon armor. Not that it's important all I have left are the radiant quests. Mining ore is time consuming.

    That being said. I may upgrade to a 7970M or 680M in the mid-term future if the guy trying to put a 7970M in his Sammy is successful. They both look like fantastic chips. Great performance with a power decrease. What's not to like.

    Who knows by then something better may be available for me to upgrade to.
     
  23. nissangtr786

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    485m is similar to a 675m. Just a bit of oc on 485m and you have similar performance to a 675m.

    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 485M - Notebookcheck.net Tech
     
  24. hfm

    hfm Notebook Prophet

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    I'll be the first to admit it's a refinement of the 485M. But I don't care, either. :)
     
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    I think you should start giving forum members a penny every time you say the words "675m" or "power hungry".
     
  26. nissangtr786

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    Its like buying your 7970m slightly revised in 2015 named 9965m when lets say a new nvidia card is out that is based on new 22nm maxwell for cheaper price at the start with double the performance per watt. Note I did the opposite there.
     
  27. Arestavo

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    It's funny 'cause it's truuuuuuue (you read this in the cartoon guy's voice that says this)
     
  28. hfm

    hfm Notebook Prophet

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    That sounds fantastic, thought I would probably be game for upgrading to the 8965M or 775M near the end of 2013 instead. :)
     
  29. Drunken1

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    I should have the money in place for a new laptop purchase this week. I am reading everything i can on these cards.

    I'm still contemplating the 680m or going 7970m and saving the money, or more upgrades like upgrading to the 3720QM GPU... decisions decisions
     
  30. 2.0

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    This the key right there. It happens all over the forum on many topics. If we ban everyone who gets emotional about this or that product, there would be maybe 25 posters left out of the hundreds. In fact, Cloudfire would have been gone for good about a year ago and this thread wouldn't have existed. (Does he consider that?)

    Fanboism seems to be a more modern phenomenon. Seeing as such, we'd rather close threads than ban posters. We've banned the trolls, fanboys and miscreants in the past and they just end up coming back under a new persona. We sometimes catch those also. But it just ends up being a contest of whack-a-mole.

    Decent threads with useful information stay open and we eliminate trolling posts when we notice them. Warnings and possible infractions are doled out. But threads that are nothing more than cheerleading which attract flame wars will simply get closed. We're not going to ban people for falling for flame bait.

    Thing is, unless you're a mod here, you can't see the infraction rap sheet of posters. Some have been given warnings and infractions. Some have received PMs from myself and other mods. And yeah, they still show up in threads but have toned down their rhetoric. They're smart enough to stay just under the "troll" threshold. If you look at the posts of some of whom I'm sure you might consider "the bad guys," there's really no ban worthy offenses being committed in this thread if one takes an objective point of view.
     
  31. Mr. Fox

    Mr. Fox BGA Filth-Hating Elitist

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    hrm, I'm with you. If you're happy with it, the opinions of others can be ignored. I don't know why some people feel so compelled make a point of this. It seems like a distraction and it's irrelevant to many enthusiasts. As long as the AC adapter output is enough and the cooling system can keep up, I really don't care how much, or how little, power the thing draws. What matters is how well it performs, whether that is in gaming or benching. For those that do care and would prefer to benchmark their battery instead of the stuff that matters to performance enthusiasts, there's always Intel HD3000/HD4000 as an alternative to good performance.
     
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    I have nothing against 40nm, I would buy it myself if its a crazy deal but when I look at a laptop I want the best price to performance ratio as well as the latest technology.
     
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    And that was a rebrand of 485m.
     
  35. nissangtr786

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    the only real difference between the 485m and the 580m/675m is the 485m had a 45mhz less core clock, 90mhz less shader speed and they all had the same 1500mhz shader speed. All 100w but 485m the least power hungry due to slightly lower clocks.

    Its like my 9600m gt being rebranded to a gt220m and then keep getting rebranded to lets say 300m and 400m series with slight oc.
     
  36. maverick1989

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    Which came out a year and half ago, not TWO and half years ago. Anyways, it is funny how one person comes in and because a week ago was asked to stop, starts turning almost every GPU related thread into a 675m powerhungry thread. LOL.

    The only place the 675m is mentioned in this thread is as a comparison in the original review whilst the thread was meant to be......actually I have no idea what it was meant to be but I do know it was not meant to be a 675m is power hungry thread.
     
  37. nissangtr786

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    Thats why I was amazed by the difference between a 680m and 675m. This is a 680m thread which is a high end card and its worth discussing other cards related to it like the 7970m. The 680m is the best card right know for gamers but the 7970m is good at cad as well. Overall the top 2 cards are similar.

    I have learnt from the op is that 7000-8000 3dmark11 100w tdp gpus are possible.

    edit:In essence its worth comparing the 680m to a 670m and 7970m. Once amd and nvidia release extreme end cards it will be worth comparing to the 675m but we already have a rough idea the limit of 28nm should be at least 7000 with oc cards.
     
  38. Meaker@Sager

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    I think I am going to grab a 680M......

    I can write directly to its bios where as the 7970M is locked out for some reason.

    Also optimus is more mature than enduro.

    I'm going to try using another machine to flash the clevo too, then make a comparison of the two I think.

    Oh and as for the other discussion in this thread:

    Fanboyism (Fan = fanatic = a person whose enthusiasm or zeal for something is extreme or beyond normal limits)

    You are by definition not being rational. You are being an idiot by being a fanboy. Stop it.

    Also Cloud, if you have not got either a 680M or 7970M by the time I have both in my hands I will be very disappointed.
     
  39. Cloudfire

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    Do a comparison between the two and test the heck out of them. That would be fun :)

    As for the 680M, I`m waiting to relocate to a new apartment before buying a new notebook. I will be moving this fall, maybe to a new country. I`m not shure yet what will happen with my work :)
     
  40. 2.0

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    Cloud, again, your post was deleted because it's pointless (the one prior to the one above). I'm not going to respond to your unfounded innuendo. Your rap sheet and the reports we've received from posters puts you out of the clear and makes you ineligible for commentary regarding who is and who is not trolling. Trolls never think they're trolling. I can't remember the last time an honest troll owned up to their trolling.

    Put simply, I'm not going to ban people because you want them banned. Especially since they are merely reacting to your trolling. People have asked for YOU to be banned. But it hasn't happened has it? I suppose if we heeded to their request to have you banned months ago, none of this would have transpired.

    You know, there's always some who think the mod team handles things poorly. Especially those who receive infractions. And that's natural. I don't like handing out infractions unless they are really warranted. These fanboy fights are all over the forum. It's what people seem to do these days.

    In any event, let it go. Move on. Go back to being actually helpful. And stop inciting people with troll posts and attitude laced hyperbole.
     
  41. Arestavo

    Arestavo Notebook Evangelist

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    Called it! WB Cloud!
     
  42. Roken911

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    Really who cares what card performs better? Do any of you actually make money off of either card? No.

    Get whatever fits your freaking budget and move on.

    P.s How can you discredit NBC and then post a review from a no-name website and claim it to be truth is beyond me.

    This is completely childish behavior!
     
  43. Arestavo

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    Both perform extremely well, from everything that I've seen.

    In dual card mode, I've seen nothing on the 680M, and the 7970M seems to have problems with some folks on this board, others none.
     
  44. KernalPanic

    KernalPanic White Knight

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    I'm sorry, but if any of this were true, you would know it isn't the GPU which fails most of the time. At 3-4 years in, its almost always power related. While I have had gpus fail, they are very very low on the list of likelyhood and you would know that.

    I'm sure I could list laptops with gpu failures, but that would be silly as you'd have to list the failures based on everything else which would dwarf the gpu issues. (this is even counting nvidia's manufacturing flaw from a few years back)

    Both companies make GPUS with very good tolerances usually and if any company has an advantage it is minor. (especially on the high-end)

    Aikimox, you DO seem to care way too much about spreading misinformation to furthur that holy war you speak of. Enough to offer misleading and ultimately meaningless lists.

    It's just a GPU... why all the emo? Why the misinformation? Why is it a holy war for you?

    Why is the 680m actually performing admirably a threat? Why does it require this level of emotional response?

    Competition between AMD and Nvidia is a WIN for everyone.

    I am not sure of why AMD owners need to make up any other advantage than price. Those that own a 7970m paid $250-300 less for an extremely powerful GPU that probably is within 5-10% overall one way or the other.

    People seem to forget... the posters here are often seen as experts and people really do make decisions based on what is accepted as the truth here.

    If you post FUD, you will be called out by posters like me.
     
  45. Zymphad

    Zymphad Zymphad

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    Though I do think it's amusing when someone gripes having a CF 7970M and then screaming, I paid for it, I should have support for it. But then CF 6970M users screamed also, not much changed. 5870M CF users screamed, and yeah... AMD should provide better support for mobile CF, and game developers SHOULD actually develop their games for multi-GPU support considering the prevalence of such systems now, but they don't. And yet, I guess, somehow you though having CF 7970M would be different.

    And yet there hasn't been a game that requires the power of multi-GPU in YEARS, not since Crysis 1 first came out. Even Metro 2033 with playable at steady framerates with a 5850 budget high performance single card with AA and tessellation on. But whatever, gripe away with your CF systems. Maybe it will change with the 8970M, but yeah... pfft, like that will happen. Maybe console game developers will care about ensuring their games run properly for PC Gamers with multi-GPU setups. Oh wait, am I talking about fantasy or reality. ROFL, like that will happen.
     
  46. Supranium

    Supranium Notebook Evangelist

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    Another AMD vs Nv war thread...


    :no:


    Lets see some numbers talking and some technical analizys of card behaviour.
     
  47. Zymphad

    Zymphad Zymphad

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    Considering how this thread and the OP began, what did you expect. I'd expect nothing less. The tone of this thread was never objective, technical or any real analysis of the situation. It was from the very beginning a lecture about how 680M is better, NBC is wrong, 680M is better.

    Let us know when that does happen. Will be an exciting day for sure. Cause then, maybe then, you'll be able to post with your own personal experience. Will be a grand day for sure. I just hope it will be before we all upgrade to the 8790M and the 780M or before you rampage through NBR on 780M vs 8790M speculation threads.
     
  48. Cloudfire

    Cloudfire (Really odd person)

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    MY GOD DON`T YOU EVER STOP.

    F*CK THIS FORUM. I`m done! Give me infraction for bypassing the language filter. I don`t care. Take away my rep points, I don`t care.
     
  49. Nick

    Nick Professor Carnista

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    Just finished reading this thread, there seem to be quite a few taunts and some name calling directed at Cloud. I don't see Cloud utilizing personal attacks. The fact that you hate Cloud's opinion doesn't justify all this hate, name calling, and ban wishes. Actually, none of Cloud's posts justify that.

    Sure, if you're a rabid fanboy, you might find the OP "offensive", but for the rest of us, meh.


    MOD EDIT: read around the forum a bit and you'll see where at the animosity towards cloudfire comes from. That's what accounts for the immediate reaction to this thread and it's title.
     
  50. Arestavo

    Arestavo Notebook Evangelist

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    This is the third time Cloudfire has written he'd be gone.

    He'll be back, I bet ;)
     
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