New details regarding upcoming GTX 780M

Some german site have gotten hold of the 3DMark Vantage score of GTX 780M. It was tested along with upcoming Haswell 4900MQ inside the upcoming DevilTech Fragbook DTX (MSI)

GTX 780M scored P29458 in Vantage
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 780M - Notebookcheck.com Technik/FAQ

So what does that mean in terms of power compared to GTX 680M? Well a GTX 680M along with 3720QM score P21657 in Vantage. 3720QM is clocked at 3.6GHz, 4900MQ 3.8GHz. 5% difference. And its Haswell. So lets say 15% faster than 3720QM. If you tested 680M with 4900MQ, you would have roughly gotten: P21657x1.15 = P24905.

That means ladies and gentlemen that the GTX 780M is how much more powerful than 680M?
P29458/24905= 1.18 = GTX 780M is roughly 18% faster than GTX 680M

So whats new about 780M? We don`t know that yet but if I should guess, its a bump up in cores. 680M have 1344 cores, 780M will most likely have 1536 cores. (15% increase in cores = roughly 18% better performance ) So I expect 780M to be a 1536 core GPU with the same speed like we have now on 680M, 720MHz.

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There is information about the upcoming Fragbook that have Haswell and 780M here if anyone want to read.
Source: Heiste.de translated

Preoders start in May, shipping begins in June after Computex.

Sorry about all the mess, hope its readable. Bye

 

So basically a 680MX with GPU Boost 2.0

Sounds good to me!

 

now if someone can get their hand on liquid cooling then we are set

 

I think you need a desktop, long

 

Sounds like the 680MX, 1536 cores, 720MHz Core... just wonder what RAM speed is? 680mx is 2500MHz, 680m is 1800MHz. Guess they managed to get the 680mx in a 100W TDP more or less.

18% vantage does not equate to 18% FPS improvement though. Plus that's 1280x1024 not 1080p which is the real tell tale sign of performance difference. I say total FPS improvement at 1080p will be less than 10% especially if vRAM speed is the same.

 

Yeah, don't see myself throwing out my 680ms any time soon, but I'm glad to see that Nvidia is still making improvements, especially with the rumors that AMD will only be releasing rebrands this year (haven't been paying much attention lately, so I could be wrong about that.)

 

If vram speed stays the same there won't be any performance difference. Not in games. The 680m is already heavily bottlenecked by the slow vram.

BF3 shows this perfectly. The difference between the 675mx and the 680m should be around 60% but since they have the same vram speed the 680 only gets 25% more fps. The low bandwidth is choking the 680m alive. lol

 

But it clearly shows that SLI 680Ms only score 15% higher. I doubt a CPU can make up for THAT difference.

 

680m SLI only 15% higher than single 680m? Where do you see that. Look at my review here of the Sager NP9370 with SLI 680m @ stock (orange bar) vs single 680m @ stock (red bar), SLI on average is 60-70% over single 680m. BF3 is about 40% improvement in my testing. But BF3 is VERY CPU intensive. Faster quad core actually hexacore would be ideal. I guess the game runs 8 threads.

 

can't wait till I lay my hands on one of those babies thanks Cloud! +rep

 

I'm more interested in how it overclocks.

 

My P170HM is holding literally together with duct tape. Hopefully it can hold out for Maxwell because this GTX 780M is not exciting me.

 

That's just the pscore which,as we know,is heavily cpu bound. Gpu scores are what matter and we don't have that number yet. If we get a significantly better gpu score in Vantage compared to the 680m that could point to an upgrade in memory speed since Vantage is very bandwidth hungry.

Wonder when they'll release the 780m?

 

Have you seen the 680MX specs? GTX 680M have the memory running at 1800MHz (900MHz). GTX 680MX memory runs at 2500MHz (1250MHz).Its better memory in the 680MX that you also find in desktop GPUs. So we might be in for a little surprise later when 780M is tested at games at 1080p and Xtreme preset where the memory bandwidth comes to play (that performance score run didnt want so much bandwidth). 780M might be even faster than the +18%. We might be in for a treat

 

Here's hoping.

If for once nvidia doesn't disappoint with the memory bandwidth I might get one for my MSI.

 

What exactly are you doing to that machine of yours?

Yes the news are pretty dull..

 

well, anything from 10-20% increase from 680m is something like you are set for the coming 3-4 years (considering new consoles are very similar with 680m if only not a bit more powerful)

I am sure I am going for one of these babies, 1536 cuda cores in a lappy, are you kidding??

also I guess they should have clocked the vram better than 680m, after all we saw the result of a vram oc on 680m, these people shouldn't be stupid and unlock the beast for this generation

 

I was referring to all the benchmarks not just Vantage. In any case we'll have to wait and see what they do with the memory.

 

Personally I'd be happy if they just left the core count alone and upped the memory to 2500. It would make a world of difference where ever anti aliasing is involved. In that case with an overclock to 1ghz on the core would mean true gtx670 performance. That would be pretty good in my book.

 

Nononononononono... 1536 cores AND faster memory. DO IT NVIDIA!

 

I'd rather have a faster stock core clock and faster vRAM than more cores.

 

You know that vantage is effectively a CPU benchmark with these cards right?

 

I am assuming that you are referring to OP? I agree entirely. Vantage is not a good indicator of performance difference between cards. And at this point in time with new gen cards, Vantage is pretty much obsolete. I'm not an advocate of 3DMark benchmarks because they can give a false assessment of gaming performance, but at least they're somewhat standard for comparison. For newer cards not sure why they wouldn't compare 3DMark11 or even the newest 3DMark 2013.

 

remember when the first 680m benchmarks came out, it scored 4000 in 3dmark 11. in reality it scores 7k and up

 

I think the first 680M iteration was perhaps scoring that, but anyway as far as I can tell this score is a just a projection of what they expect rather than anything real.

 

anyone actually read the original heise.de article? it states that the 780M is expected to provide a 30% bump over the 680M entirely possible in my book, cuz as mentioned before vantage is pretty cpu dependent and doesnt really mirror raw gpu performance unless the gpu score is given. 680MX with slightly bumped core clocks, unleashed vram bandwidth in a 100W TDP envelope: come to papa!

and all that with HM compatibility please

 

I would be impressed if they can manage 30% improvement. I've found % increase in 3dmark 11 equates to roughly half that percent in actual FPS improvement in games. So still not a reasonable upgrade for 680m owners, but still a significant jump above 580m for those looking to upgrade.

 

It is expected reads as far as I can tell as I plucked a nice number out of thin air.

 

at this point it surely is but heres to hoping, cant hurt

 

I'm looking to upgrade (whenever I can afford it) from my 650M. Think I'll be pleased with whatever it turns out to be

 

exactly, doesn't need to be a crazy improvement, I just want to have the king of the hill for a year that's all

 

Go with SLI 780m!

Well yeah! That will be an impressive improvement. Just users may consider bumping up from 680m to 780m isn't worth it.

 

depends on the OCability but even then the 780m would have to be overclockable by at least 60% to beat the 680m's 50%

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Well the left hinge had cracked open and I had to rig a make fix. That was working but it put too much stress on the right side, and it broke last Sunday. Now the screen can't at all hold itself up. To make it last, we have an L-shaped piece of curved metal duct taped from the lid to up under the bottom of the chassis, holding the screen rigid at a slightly less than 90 degree angle. So it's gone from being a laptop to a fixed monitor with a keyboard attached, basically a desktop.

Feels bad, man. I probably can't make it another six year, just psychologically.

 

Just hold out for the P170SM. 680m is already over double the performance of the 6970m and the 780m will be even faster. I'm sure the low end quad core Haswell will likely be 25-30% performance improvement over the i7-2630qm. Just do it man, just do it!

 

good gracious, that sounds horrible

 

Eh, I'd just order a new LCD cover instead and hold out for Maxwell. Upgrade when the PS4/720 is out so you know what you need to upgrade for the next gen games. That's what I would do, personally. At the least you can probably grab a 7970M or 680M for cheap when tons of chumps upgrade to the 780M.

 

just hold it together a bit longer bro, we will get the new generation quite soon enough

 

It might be worth a few hundred bucks even to replace the parts that make up the broken hinge and hold out until Broadwell and Maxwell. That's my intention at least. Granted I have one gen newer GPU than you (Kevin). I'm hard on my laptops too, just hoping she'll hold together until summer 2014.

 

Same here. Looking forward to see what we'll have in 2014. I hope sleeker and thinner notebooks too and IPS FHD+ screens

 

I just hope Maxwell and Broadwell end up as great as they sound. Maxwell top end mobile (880m?) should be about twice performance of 680m. Broadwell should bring some significant improvements in power consumption and likely powerful 35W quad core CPU's. Think 5-6 hours battery life with a top end mobile config (i7-5720qm/GTX 880m). Saving my pennies now for that, although will probably blow $1200+ with the new 13" Clevo when it comes.

 

yea that is also my hopes for a single fan system that is about the form factor of a MBP to enter gaming ranks I would drop 3k on that without a second thought

 

heres to holding out another year! ill definitely keep my machine. only thing that would get me to spend money is if one of the 780m/8970m gpus is compatible with hm clevos

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Maxwell is expected to be an 80% jump performance/watt so an 880m should be around a stock desktop 680. I'd also love to have IPS screens. Preferably 1080p,120hz IPS screens with 90% color gamut.

15% at best. 5-10% is what's realistic. Clock rates are staying the same as ivy across the board from desktop to laptop so the performance boost can only come from clock for clock improvements which are expected to be 10%. I've seen rumors that say there will be no performance increase and I also saw sources claiming up to 15% clock for clock. I'd expect that the doubling in cache speed would cause at least a 10% jump. We'll just have to wait and see.

 

EM please

 

dont forget that haswell is a completely new architecture as opposed to IB vs. SB just being a die shrink with different transistors so i highly doubt that u can compare the clocks one to one with IB/SB. remember, the last time intel did an arch change when SB was introduced, the lowest clocking quad 2610qm was FASTER than the previous 940xm extreme cpu that could very well happen again with haswell, so lets just wait and see what it brings to the table

 

It was in comparison to Sandy Bridge not Ivy Bridge. Ivy is about 10% over Sandy, and haswell likely another 10% or so.

 

Ohh yeah. I see now. Sorry HT! In that case 21-25% is well in the realm of possibility.

Haswell isn't a new arch. It's just an upgraded Ivy bridge with twice as fast cache. 10% improvement really isn't that big. The real improvement are on the gpu which personally I don't care bout one bit. I'd prefer to have two extra cores and some extra cache in the gpu's die area.
Skylake will be the completely new arch. With that we'll get hex core mobile cpu's......finally. Don't know why they don't do it with broadwell next year? They could easily make a hex core with 12mb cache if they left out the gpu. On the new 14nm process they could fit it into 57W as an XM cpu.

 

It is, according to Intel's upgrade model.
Intel Tick-Tock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Back from Cebit, saw the 780M.