Notebook with Nvidia 8800?

For desktop PCs Nvidia 8800 is soon on the market, what about "Go" version for the Notebooks?

8800 will support Microsoft DirectX 10, so I think this will be very important
feature... besides being way faster than previous models... any news?

 

It probably wont happen unless they cut down the board size. It's 11inches long and would be a pain to even fit it in..

If it is possible to cut down the transistor but keeping the same amount of shaders (128), then you would one day see the 8800 or possibly know as the 8900 in a notebook. Technology wise, it's really a big step forward like the core duo.

 

Given the power requirements of the G80 series, and the cost of the producing them, I don't think we'll be seeing a mobile version until we start getting 80nm or 65nm parts. At a guess, Spring 2007, when we start seeing the mid-range desktop versions of these cards.

 

thanks for your replies! yes, it all makes good sense and so no good point on waiting... well, notbook with nvidia 7950 gtx is fast enuff for games, but too bad for not being able to run DirectX 10....

 

they always introduce the new series with the top range card.

So the first one will be a 8800 go in a dtr machine.

I think it will be for sale around the beginning of the year 07 in a dtr like the sager 5670 or the xps 1710

 

It will run DirectX 10. Just like DirectX 8 cards can run DirectX 9 games. It's just that parts of the API will either be software emulated or unavailable. Not a huge loss, overall.

 

i think there is too much hype about the whole 8800 geforce lol XD

The nvidia 7950 gtx is fast enough, even the 7600 or 7800 is enough for games of today and next gen games.

 

It's going to be awhile for mobile DX 10 cards to be released. They have the power consumption issue to work out first and foremost.

You don't need to worry about needing DX 10 for a while. Even when DX 10 games are released, they will be backwards compatible.

 

Nope, DX10 won't run at all on non-DX10 cards. They're making a clean break, unlike with DX9 vs 8.
That's why they're making a separate version of DX9 for Vista. To support existing games and hardware, because DX10 doesn't do it.

About the power consumption, it doesn't seem to be as bad as expected. A few percent more than a X1950 card, while offering a ton more performance. It seems to be pretty efficient performance/watt-wise. So it might be possible to cram a cut-down version of the thing into a notebook.

 

177 watts power consumption for the GTX. Not sure on the GTS. Deduct 50 watts and your probably in the right area.

DX10 won't run on non dx10 hardware, however any new game coming out will have alternative DX runpaths for people who own older graphics cards. I don't think there are any DX10 exclusive titles coming out. Alan Wake and Halo 2 are Vista exclusive, but since Alan Wake was shown running recently on a PC, I'm guessing its DX9c.

 

Yeah, though the actual graphics card with dx10 support will be able to still do dx9 games etc , dx10 itself wont be able to but i think vista has some way already of fixing this. But yeah, consider dx9 and dx10 completely seperate

(i think i got that right?)

 

the x1950 produces LOADs of heat though

still way way too much for a laptop

8800 will be in a laptop when it's either crippled or when it's 65 or 40nm

 

We still have a year or two before we can see lots of games using dx10. I bet before that we can see some dx10 cards in laptops.

 

Im looking forward to Nvidia releasing the rest of their 8000 series lineup. It will be interesing to see how the 8600 and 8400 will compare to their older counterparts and how big a step ahead they are.. I would imagine, as the 8800 is considered such a huge leap above the previous 7800, that the 8600/8400 will be a more considerable improvment from the 7600/7400 than they were themsleves from the 6600/6400!.. Will be interesting to see how they perform!

 

I bet you'll see dx10 cards for lappys, they just will be differents versions...

Imagine a 7900gs with directx 10 funtions and you get my drift

 

Oh believe me the laptop 8800 is probably long since been drawn up and someone is most probably using one right now as a tester.

Cant launch vista without the hardware to run it lol. Most computer users are on laptops.

You cant make computer games that no one plays. You cant make computer games for desktop users there arent enough to sell anything to.

it might be much slower dont get me wrong but all this stuff is planned out years in advance. The only barrier is mass production.

 

i totally agree with stamar

there is no way that a major corporation like nvida got that big by only looking at whats just ahead of them. companies like that plan for stuff years in advance.

and those are some nice 3d marks stamar

now i just gotta wait till the first affordable dx10 notebook is out, then i'm in heaven

 

And cost, they need to make sure the consumer can afford it (which is obviously a lot harder than it sounds).

 

Laptop sales only passed desktop sales for 2 years. Desktops outsold laptops for many many years before. Most people are on desktops

 

True, zellio is right, but then again, you also gotta figure (this is just a generalization, a very big one at that) the more technically inclined are on laptops.

 

I hate to say it but the less technically inclined you are, the more you are willing to buy something premade (Not saying you guys are, just saying...)

The ones who are more technically inclined are the small segment of geeks who put together their own desktops...

Of course alot goes into that... If your buying a laptop to go to wifi spots and communicate with people then you are a bit more technically inclined then the rest.

However, if you're just buying something because it's easier then putting it together yourself...

 

I think the more technically inclined would have a desktop and laptop.
And the hardware enthusiasts mostly have desktops as you can't get the latest gear on a laptop. (I don't have a desktop anymore though, not that I wouldn't love to be building a new PC for myself at the moment.. )

 

We'll see gaming laptops with actual desktop 8000 series cards in em first. But I think true mobile DX10 GPUs will be seen by March of next year. Notebook market is too big for them [ATi and Nvidia] to ignore. Laptop users like me want to play great looking games too.

 

no way a actual desktop 8800 in a laptop without serious crippling in a laptop, even if it's 19 inch

the 8800 gtx needs 2 powerlines for christ sake... and is HUGE. 11 inch long i think

the 8800gts is still power hungry, shorter but still produces a lot of heat...

they must use 65nm, and more power efficient ways for the 8800 to fit in a lappy

though i think your estimate of march next year for 8xxx series to appear in normal lappys is spot on.

 

Thanks for the last comment, but I haven't really kept up with the 8xxx series specifications so far. However, 2 POWERLINES??!?!?! WTF ?!?!?!?

For the love of God, how far do they have to go just to get good performance?

 

by 2 power lines i mean two PCIe power connectors to power the card, not actual wall plugs in case my bad description made you think so

actually, the benchmark says that the 8800gtx is actually a pretty good performer/watt. it only uses a few more % of power then the x1950

 

Something we have to take into account is the people who buy games with no idea what they are doing only to find out that their computer can't run it and then its too late to return it. I don't know how many people I know who have done this it is really sad. Rant over...

Anyway what he said is right it would be stupid to alienate much of the market in the first place, because although there are a fair number of people who are willing to shell out what a 8800 costs (and the rest of a desktop that can support it), most people have prebuilts that have graphics that couldn't even meet vista's minimum. Mabey we are all just geeks who surround ourselves with other people who know things about computers and we don't get the true scope of widespread techno-ignorance. I think they are going to have to be creative with marketing and deffinately putting these things in laptops is going to part of it.

 

No, I was thinking of two power connectors coming straight from the power supply. I'm not that stupid. >=|

 

Either way it means you have to have a monster psu for sli.

 

I`d say they`ll come out with a clocked down and crippled down version of the 8800 with a TDP of about 45W or so. And maybe they are waiting for a smaller process to mature for the launch. I really don`t see them launching a GPU that will consume as much as an entire notebook right now. Nobody is ready for that. Power bricks are not big enough and notebookd ODM`s probably don`t feel like redesigning every notebook chasis from the ground up just to find a way to get rid of the heat.

And I don`t think costumers are ready to accept a notebook that generates as much heat as a 5 year old desktop.

 

If it has to consume that much power there will just be a return to the chassis types that had the desktop cpus and the desktop video cards. There were even models that had 3.5 inch hard drives.