Nvidia 460M vs 560M advice needed

Hi guys,

I'm loooking to buy a laptop with a decent graphic card and ssd drive. Right now I'm debating whether to go for a laptop with the 460M (example Sager 8130) or 560M (example MSI GT683R releasing in May).

The difference between the two laptops is about USD 144 with identical configs (except with 8130 I get a matte screen as well).

Is the 460M as future proof as the 560M considering only the incremental change in the clock rates of 560M?

Thanks,

 

I'm a bit confused.... you mention Graphics and SSD, then you write 460M and 560M which are CPU models and in the title you have NVIDIA !??

So what exactly is your question about? The difference in the laptops, the difference in the CPUs or something related to the integrated graphics of the CPUs and where does NVIDIA fit in?

 

Technically the 560M is just a higher clocked, more power efficient 460M, performance difference between the two isn't going to be significant at all, 560M wouldn't be more future proof than 460M, you would be better off base your judgement on other factors, like screens, CPUs, build quality, heat/noise etc

 

You know you can upgrade to Matte screen on the GT683R too right?
MSI GT683R 15.6" FHD/NV GTX 560M 1.5GB GDDR5/Core i7-2630QM/12GB DDR3/1TB 7200rpm/ Pre-Order: GenTech PC Store

460M will do fine. It plays all the games out there, except a few on very high details. 560M will cost the same as 460M and will be taking over for 460M after a while. Nobody knows how much better 560M is compared to 460M yet since Nvidia have not given us any details. Could be everything from 10% faster and upwards

 

@ Gracy 123: He's talking about the Nvidia GTX 460m and the GTX 560m, both GPUs and not CPUs

The 560m hasn't been released so far, so there isn't too much info available, but if I had to choose between these two I'd definitely get the 560m which will perform better.

I'd recommend getting the SSD drive after purchasing the laptop, this will save you some money... after market updates are cheaper.

Edit: Wow, you guys are faster than I am.

 

if the 560m is just a higher clocked 460m then it isnt worth it. the 460m is a good overclocker, at least on sager systems. it has been overclocked from the default 7.5k vantage to 10+k. i believe the matte screen comes standard with the sager 8130 and imho thats a big plus

 

thanks you guys for the feedback...

@trvelbug: yups the 8130 comes with a default matte which is quite attractive offer..

there is a slight speed difference between the two GPU's : core/shader/memory: 675/1350/1250 vs 775/1550/1250
3dmark06 scores: 12961 vs 13919 (from notebookcheck)

I remember reading in another post somewhere that the TDP of the two is about identical.. I'll try to find the link for that...

 

I apologize then Misunderstood

 

Its ok, we understand, Sony dont usually deal with graphics cards with such high model numbers

 

im certain you could get those 3dmark06 scores and higher with an overclocked 460m. it overclocks to more than 133% (vantage-wise) and thats a good overclocker.

 

Isn't the Sager card MXM and thus theoretically user upgradable? Not sure if MSI uses MXM..

 

Get The one with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M SLI, its a class 1 graphic card and rated higher than the to be released 560M

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M SLI - Notebookcheck.net Tech

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560M

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560M - Notebookcheck.net Tech

Cheers
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MSI not only use MXM cards, but they make a lot for other companies.

 

You know that 460M SLI is 2x460Ms right?

Bet you can do the same with 560M too since the GF116 is more power efficient than GF106

 

Bottom line is that there may be a 5 to 10% difference between them.

 

I guess we'll have to wait for more benchmarks to come out but looks like a small increase in performance for the 560M @stock speeds...

With regards to power savings/efficiency, the TDP is 72 Watts for the 460M and 75 Watts for the 560M as per notebookcheck...

 

If your willing to wait, get the 560m.

If your want "the best GPU", then you would need a GTX 485, or RADEON 6970; which are available now. The GTX 560 will still be slower than the 485 and 6970.

Good luck

 

I think blacklight posted that the tdp of the 560m is in fact higher than the 460m, so i wouldnt be too sure.
But for a price premium and 5-10% increase,; which would equate to 1-3 fps in most games, it just isnt worth it.

 

Strangely if you google "asus g74 gtx560M", you will find news that asus claims gtx560M can reach over 10k in 3dmark vantage, which is definitely not a minor bump to the current 460M. Any ideas?

 

Vantage entry preset maybe

 

on o/c yes and the 460m can do the same

 

This early 3dmark06 score for the 560 is a little misleading and flawed.

Notebookcheck had to run the test with only 1gb memory instead of 1.5gb, meaning it was running at 128bit instead of 196bit wide memory interface.

So with a crippled memory interface, it's 7% faster than the 460.
How much faster will it be running with a full width memory bus?
OK, probably just a few percent more.


Proof at link:

Nvidia Geforce GTX 560M sighted - Notebookcheck.net News

 

But still it's just an overclocked 460M from what we have seen, right? It's not likely suddenly 560M will get more shader cores, it's still the same as a 460M, except a higher clock rate, it's pretty much impossible to expect the 560M outperforms 460M by a huge amount, say 30%, unless it's going to base on something else like a 470M.

 

I've heard it's much better power optimized and the 5xx's have seen considerably higher stock clocks with considerably less power draw.

 

There's no major architecture change, but it still is a new chip, not just higher clocks on same old 460.
They optimized the design electronics to allow higher clocks and increase power efficiency.

 

I'm running at around $1200 max, I was on a split decision between the 555m Sager vs a 460m on the Asus G53SW. I hope that this 560m comes out soon in the next couple of weeks, so I can finally make my decision.

BTW I really hope that someone implements Optimus with the 560m! I just see it as the best thing to do. That HD3000 inside those sandy bridge CPU's is WASTED silicon. It just sounds like the dumbest decision not to implement Optimus when all current nvidia graphics support it. A onboard graphics switch when not gaming or watching movie's to help with power usage would be awesome. On top of that the 3000 is super impressive, I could imagine running some not so intensive games on it as well.

 

Don't know much about MSI's side, but G74 or G54 with GTX560M won't come out until around august according to the asus retailers, you are gonna wait for quite a few months before you can get your hands on a new one. For an overclocked 460M, the wait just ain't worth it IMO, in fact it will most likely perform just like an old 5870M, which was first included in G73 models about 14 months ago.

 

I would save up for longer to get a laptop with the HD6970M in it. The GTX 460M is a great card but I wouldn't go for that given how difficult and costly it can be to upgrade graphics. If you can wait for longer to save up, that would be the best option.

I have seen laptop configurations where the HD6970M is a very inexpensive upgrade too.

 

+1
on the 15.6" form factor, what i found so far only with Sager/Clevo P150HM. anybody found some more ? i really wish next barebone form MSI will also be able to accomodate HD6970M

 

Sager / Clevo notebooks are getting the 560m very soon as well.

 

Some existing MSI and other systems (e.g. AW M15x) can be upgraded to 6970m (inofficially).