Nvidia 8700M-GT discussion

8700M GT Benchmarks & Reviews
Last Updated 2007-07-19

Specs of the Nvidia 8700M GT

Memory = DDR3
TDP = 35w
Size = 80nm

Therefore this will only be on MXM-III and up. (since MXM-II is capped at 25w)
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Here is a site that goes through it NBR Review Style:
Toshiba Dynabook WXW

Original Site
Translated (through Google)

GPU - GeForce 8700M GT (256MB)
CPU - Core 2 Duo T7300 (2.0Ghz and 2nd Cache 4MB)
Chipset - Intel PM965
Memory - DDR2/667 PC-5300 2 GB
HDD - Fujitsu MHW2120BH (5400rpm)
Liquid crystal - 17.1 Type WSXGA+ glossy general-purpose monitor
Optical drive - TEAC DV-W28ECT ATA
LAN - 1000Base-T/100Base-TX/10Base-T
Fingerprint certification - TouchChip (UPEK make) VAIO TZ and it is simultaneous
Mass - Approximately 3.9kg








Note: The purple score would be the ideal Nvidia score.

You will find the Nvidia 8700M performs above the 7900GS easily, and slightly below the 7950GTX.

The benchmarks reflect it outperforming 8600M's by over 20-40%.

Nvidia boasting of the card was near accurate, it is definitely the fastest DX10 mobile card at the moment. It is still a viable card for anyone that has been holding out for a high-end DX10 mobile card. It will easily last for 2-3 years... at least.

So there ya go, a more in-depth review.

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Clevo M570RU (a.k.a. Sager 5790, Rock Xtreme 770, etc.)



Highlights:
- up to 17" WUXGA (1920 x 1200)
- new Core 2 Duo's (Santa Rosa)
- up to 4GB DDR2
- interchangeable MXM videocard (Nvidia 7950GTX or 8700M GT).. ready for more high-end DX10 cards
- standard Optical bay (ready for Blu-Ray or HD-DVD)
- Full keyboard w/ Numpad
- Fingerprint Reader

These notebooks should be starting around $1900.

Sager has received our first shipment of NP5790 (M570RU) earlier this week (7/6); the unit has passed basic verification and functionality testing. It’s doing great in both performance and stability testing as well. Sager anticipate to begin shipping late next week with nVIDIA GeForce Go 7950 GTX w/512MB Video Configuration.

nVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT w/512MB is still on schedule to entering mass production stage at Clevo in late July, therefore it is still on schedule to be released early August.

While we understand the market is moving forward into the new DX10 generation, however this new generation is still in its early stages as both software releases and optimization still has a lot of room to improve. With scores provided by Clevo and during our testing we find that the nVIDIA GeForce Go 7950 GTX is still the king on the block, we believe that everyone who ordered NP5790 with the Go 7950 GTX will not be disappointed by its performance.



We will see more benchmarks and tests in the coming weeks when it gets overseas.... and see SLI of these in the Clevo D900C beast..


Game On People,
-Gophn

 

So the 8700M GT scores 4303 in 3DMark06 with the memory at 700mhz and 4506 @ 800mhz memory?
What is the red score in the table? 5368 would be alot better.

edit:*** nevermind. the red score is what nvidia claims. not the real benchmark.

 

So this will be a 17"-only card. Nice numbers!

 

Nice... but still no real/in-game results...

 

According to these benchmark only i would say: the 8700M GT is on par with the 7900GTX. I get a score of 45XX at stock so it's almost the same score as the 8700M GT.

But we still dont have real ingame tests...

 

Woot! This makes me even more hopeful for the 8800m. If the 8700m (largely an overclocked 8600m with some modifications) can perform so well, think of what the next card nvidia releases will be able to do...

 

at higher res i think the card doesn't perform that well...

 

That laptop looks pretty good. I'm still holding my judgement. Although 8700gt looks somewhat promising as of now.

 

3DMark06 has tended to be fairly inaccurate with the 8xxx-series cards. I've found a fairly accurate way to "preview" real-world performance between the 8700 to the 7950:

1. The 8700M GT is almost identical to an overclocked desktop 8600 GT. (exact same Core, very close clocks)
2. The Go 7950 GTX is almost identical to a desktop 7950 GT. (exact same core, very close clocks)

Compare the specs:
G84 Core:
(desktop) 8600 GT "XXX": 32 Stream Processors - 128-bit bus - 620 Core/800 Mem/1355 Shader Clock
GeForce 8700M GT: 32 Stream Processors - 128-bit bus - 625 Core/800 Mem/1250 Shader Clock

G71 Core:
7950 GT: 8 Vertex/24 Pixel shaders - 256-bit bus - 550 Core/750 Mem
Go 7950 GTX: 8 Vertex/24 Pixel shaders -256-bit bus - 575 Core/700 Mem

And there just so happens to be an article that compares these two desktop cards: Click here and compare the "XFX GeForce 8600 GT" (not GTS) and the 7950 GT.

Notice the XFX 8600 GT actually performs very close to the 7950 GT in 3DMark06. (just like what we're seeing with the mobile cards)

But then look at the game benchmarks. In FEAR at 1600x1200 (the blue lines), the 7950 GT (AKA, Go 7950 GTX) averages 42 FPS vs. the XFX 8600 GT (AKA, 8700M GT) at 25. Or look at Prey. Again at 1600x1200 (the blue line), the 7950 GT gets 50.1, vs. the overclocked 8600 GT's 29.8.

Of course, this isn't a perfect comparison - you probably won't see those exact framerates, for example, the desktop has a Core 2 X6800, and 1600x1200 isn't a typical laptop resolution (but it is close to 1680x1050). But this just gives an idea of how these two cores with similar clock speeds perform relative to each other.

It doesn't look good for the 8700M GT.

 

This is precisely what I was thinking and I'm exactly right. The mobile 8 series are a massive, massive disappointment in my eyes. Oh well, as long as the 8700M performs better than my desktop 7600gt, I don't care so much. I'm just hoping for a 15% increase in actual gaming situations for the 8700M over my 7600gt.

 

Wow, reading the translated review the 8700m has a quite some trouble playing Lost Planet DX10. You have to turn down the settings to get some decent framerate

 

Thanks for posting this review Gophn. And thanks to Joga for the comparisons.

The 8700M-GT doesn't look like a match for any of the previous-gen 256-bit 7-series cards. The 8600M-GT has its limitations and pushing the clocks further (8700M-GT) can only do so much.

We're still waiting for your high-end card Nvidia . . . .

 

But up to par is not wat i like to hear. Rather have something OVER than just par.

 

I guess, I will be waiting until december to get a laptop with 8800gtx....
I have been waiting for this thing since May and it turns out to be not what I expected. 8700gt doesn't seem like a card for 17inch. It seems more suitable for 15 inch. Hopefully, they will announce 8800gt in near future... Until then... paticence is a virtue.

 

What a great disappointment for the nvidia 8000M series thus far. I was hoping to get the 8700M GT to replace a 256bit mobile nvidia after "supposingly" hearing great stuff about the G1S 8600M GT. Had to hear it from a unbiased source (non-8600M GT/go 79xx owner) though. Joga and Chaz are right on the money... wait for 256bit 8000M card. 128bit "dual-rank" just doesn't cut it.

 

Hopefully the 1720 comes with the 8700M GT or 8800M...one can only hope

 

I love how no one noticed it's "GeForce 8700M GT (256MB)", even though most of the 8700M GTs we're going to see in M570RU and D900C will be 512mb.

Is this notebook the same as the X205? The pricing is only attractive considering the HD-DVD drive. I'd like it if it weren't loaded with Toshiba and trial software.

 

On a side note that notebook is awesome.

 

I've noticed that every 8xxx overperforms in synthetic benchmarking and then fails to keep up ingame with a 7xxx with a similar score, the 8700 is there to squeeze money out of the 17" market

 

Sounds like the Nvidia 5 series(i m not sure) who cheats in synthetic benchmark and fails so badly in games. That was the time a lot of ppl boycott Nvidia...

 

Well, GeForce FX(5) were among the first DX9 cards, and these are the first DX10 cards. But, as far as I can tell, this is no where near the FX fiasco. Think though: new chip architecture, new graphics API, new operating system, they have a lot on their hands to make good drivers.

Also, a big thing is, older games weren't programemd with unified shaders in mind. More modern games will run better on these than GeFroce 7 counter-parts.

And the 8700M GT isn't the counter-part for the 7950GTX everyone is comparing it to. It's not the same class, and doesn't need to perform better. We should be comparing it to the GeForce Go 7700, which it destroys.

Maybe that's why they downed it from 8800M GS to 8700M GT. It wasn't up to par with the X8XX name.

P.S. The lid on that notebook is ugly.

 

They should name it as 8700M GS instead of GT...

 

Well... in line with nVidias naming system its actually an 8600 Ultra (Ultras are oced cards)

 

Hmm.. guess ur rite.. 8600M Ultra! (But they dun fit as MXM2 rite?)

 

Nope... I think 8600M Ultra would have been a better name than 8700M GT...

 

I honestly can't stand everyone going on and on about how much of a let down these cards are. Not only are they the first generation of DX10 cards, they are the first notebook generation of DX10 cards, which are always inherently much worse then desktop cards.

I on the other hand feel they perform rather well. Perhaps the 8700M GT, is a low end 17", whether it's been claimed as a high end or not, and I'm still not seeing anything real from DAAMIT, so where is the hate for them?


Or did I forget to mention that drivers, and Vista, are a big deal with these cards too?

 

Actually, i wont feel such let down if they had the 8800M on the market now...

 

@Scavar
Very true!

 

I'm pretty sure the disappointment stems from how poor the entire 8xxx series, both mobile and desktop, performs relative to the 7xxx series and the 8800 line. With no good performing mobile DX10 part and no good mid range cards from either ATI or nvidia, it feels like I'm getting kicked in the shins as they try to make me buy terrible products. The 8600M GT and 8600 GTS are pretty weak step-ups from the previous generation considering the price tags.

 

Think about it, 8700gt is just overclocked 8600gt. Many have been anticipating for very long time. 8700gt really isn't impressive.

 

Anticipating is the keyword. It's like expecting your child to grow up and become a Doctor, and then instead become a teacher and you now feel let down by your child.

It's all relative, the biggest problem with the Desktop series are generally Drivers. Mostly because the cards themselves were released too early, but considering my 8800GTS, beats my 7900GTX in my desktop in every single game, I don't see how you can say the 8800 desktop series is a let down at all.

 

No, I think he was saying all GeForce 8 except 8800 are a letdown because the 8800s are so good, they make the rest look bad.

It's like Vista. Vista itself is an okay product, people just don't like it because it's advertised as if it's God. Asus advertises 8600 and down are gods as well. A company has a product, and they make it sound as good as possible in order to sell it and make a profit. They're doing their jobs. It's your duty, the consumer, to decide what products are right for you, not advertisements.

If you buy a crappy product, kick yourself because you didn't do enough research. If you see a product you think is crappy, don't buy it, and move on.

 

Ahh looking at it like that, I could agree. The only other 8 series card that I think is really worth anything is the 8600GTS.

I don't actually think the 8600M GT is bad though, maybe it's just what I expect from a notebook differs from many people on here though. I can see how I might overlooked what some were saying though.

 

The X205 and the WXW are similar but with different specs

 

I thought WXW was what the X205 was called in Japan?

 

First benchmarks for 7950 vs 8700 from Sager:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=138414

Basically what I thought, they are close at lower res but at high res the 7950 got more power. Even drivers and stuff won't increase performance by 20% and more for the 8700.
But the 8800 will definitely rock!

 

So wht will be a good time to Get Gaming laptop 2008 ?

 

Definitely by Winter, we should see the 8800M come out...

More than likely you will see it in:
Clevo M570RU (Sager 5790)
Clevo D900C/D901C (Sager 9260) .... w/ SLI (sweet... )

and possibly
ASUS C90S

 

Just added Clevo M570RU (Sager 5790) benchmarks for 7950GTX and 8700M GT.

 

I've just purchased the Toshiba Satellite X205-S9359. After reading quite a bit of your discussions concerning the 8xxxM series cards, I'm wondering what the general consensus would be with the 8700M GT series. The Toshiba is loaded with an NVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT (512MB discrete + 255MB shared memory).

Most of the games I play are things such as F.E.A.R, Far Cry, Unreal Tournament, and the like. Of course I'm very much looking forward to Crysis and UT3 as well.

That being said, I find it hard to believe that I won't be happy with this laptop as a gaming rig. However some of your discussions have left me a little apprehensive about this. Can anyone give me some insight as to either what I should expect from this, or even simply a "don't worry about it, it'll play fine" will do.

Just as a matter of perspective, I'm currently running on a 4 year old HP desktop. It's actually not that bad, all things considered. I can play F.E.A.R, Unreal and Far Cry just fine on low/(some) mid settings.

Any input is appreciated.

 

dont worry about it, it'll be fine.

The 8700gt is a great card and you will be able to run crysis somewhere in the ballpark of medium to high settings.

 

Crysis and UT3 will be extremely demanding games.. Highest settings probably would create problems for the 8700GT.. I'd suggest waiting for a card with a 256bit memory bus to be released, unless you are in a hurry to buy a nb.

 

I need to use this for college as well. And in any case, I've already ordered it. I just have to wait for the first week of August for it to ship.

 

Let's hope drivers become more mature and software developers can utilize DirectX 10 better. As of now, the current DX10 cards, even the Geforce 8800 Ultra, are struggling to run Call of Juarez and Lost Planet above 30 frames per second at an intermediate resolution.

 

I'm sure by the time any DX10 games that I really care for come out, the drivers will have been improved.

 

depends on the resolution

the 8700 is just OCed 8600

at high resolution or with AA, high texture or what not, the 128 bit bus will kill performance so badly

 

well they are better than their predecessors and are not very expensive, who cares about the bus if its performing better and costs less, and no one can just assume its not gunna perform because it hasnt even been tested, im sure it will be an awesome card, and it got a very close score to the 7950gtx in 3dmark06(doesnt mean anything for real world performance though)

 

its going to be fine, its just hard to recommend it when you have the mentality that you should get the very best gpu that fits on your machine.

with those 8800m's right around the corner, you know.

regardless, 8700m gt is plenty powerful.

 

its depressing to think you will never have the most powerful one becuase there always building new ones, and is there actually any real evidence of these 8800m's?

 

it is not guessing that 128 bit bus will scale worse than a 256 bit bus when resolution and aa is upped

look at the toshiba x205 thread and see the 8700gt compared to the 7950gtx

see how the 8700gt's performance decreases at an increasing rate as resolution goes up?