Nvidia 9 series

Any idea when the desktop or notebooks ones would be coming out. I'm either gonna buy a notebook now or in about 6 months. Trying to figure out if i should wait.

 

Happy waiting, considering that Nvidia just released their high end notebook card (8800 series) and really aren't in any rush to release a more advanced technology which might cannibalise their sales.

6 months on and the 8800 will probably remain the king of notebook video cards, it might take a full 12 months before the 9 series makes its debut in desktops.

 

I would agree, it took a year for the 8800 to hit laptops AFTER it hit desktops.

 

The 9th series are closer than we all think. Nvidia needs to release a 10.1 GPU with Shader model 4.1 , because they can`t remain behind Ati.

 

Maybe so, but Nvidia would do better for themselves actually delivering a superior product instead of going balls-out trying to play catch up with ATi on a API that isn't even released yet.

 

The only thing remained behind is my budget lol

 

According to nVIDIA, however, their cards already natively support most if not all of DirectX 10.1's additional features, so they aren't in any real rush, and all it would take to get full compliance would be a refresh of the 8 series (which is really all ATI did, considering the 3000 series is using an almost identical architecture to the 2000 series). Why pour in a ton of money for a new design when the current one could just be reworked?

Count on them to be working on the 9 series (after all, they need to have something for people wanting to play Crysis ), but don't count on an announcement to steal the 8800's thunder for a while.

 

Well, if that is the case, we might sooner see a 8900 GTX and 8950GTX :>

 

THAT sounds more realistic

 

i still wouldnt mind seeing the 9 series

 

Wouldn`t we all. I would like,since we are in the Xmas season, to see a mobile GPU from the 9th series before the desktop or at least in the same time one that would score over 10k in single, in 3dmark06 and run at 50+ fps in crysis at high

 

ATI's the one playing catch up this time around. Their HD 3850 and HD 3870 GPUs are meant to go up against the G92-based Geforce 8 parts. Probably because the HD 2900 was a dissapointment.

Anyway, we can expect ATI to launch the HD 4xxx series when the Geforce 9 series comes out. We can never count out ATI though as we've seen them trounce Nvidia before.(anyone remember Geforce FX?) But under AMD's hands, some people might have doubts.

 

that would be sweet to see mobile get a better GPU before a tower can

 

It might be nice, but I would never count on a mobile GPU to hit before the desktop GPU. Because of the unique power, size, and heat requirements of mobile GPUs, it's much better to get a reference model out there first, then perfect it over time until it can be shrunk down to the appropriate requirements.

Now, if AMD swung something like that, it might make more computer sellers take a second look at them.

Don't count AMD or ATI out yet. They've both been on top in the past, but nVIDIA and Intel are both at the top of their game right now, and they're wary enough from past screwups to try to stay there if they can. Hopefully that means AMD/ATI will pull a rabbit out of their collective hat that makes the other side stand up and listen, because improved competition can only help.

 

They should be out in six months, in time for Montevina.

 

you just make this up?

 

There's no official word or even credible rumors that I've seen regarding the 9-series. Nvidia is shortening the time gap from when the desktop versions of the graphics cards are released to when the notebook versions are released so I would not expect more than a few month's wait once the new series hits the market.

 

I really hope you`re right about this one Chaz. Cause from the looks of it, I`m fairly confident that my sager will feature a 9x card in the future, with a mobo swap , of course, so the sooner the better

 

I'm only looking forward to the 9 Series for their mobile per say, 9600m GT or something rather to replace this 8600m GT. Granted it will be a low end card of its time, I would still consider it an upgrade.

 

the 8800gtx will stay king for a long long time... we wont see something better for like 12-14month for sure... and theres no big difference between dx10 and dx10.1

 

The next time I have the budget to get anything above 500 dollars is the time when a mid end card catches up with the power of 8800s anyways.. just like how the 8600m GT is to x800 now (kind off, from a person that upgraded from x300 to 8600m gt).

 

No **** 8600m to 9600m is an upgrade, a 90% performance upgrade according to some resources.

I for one can't wait for the 9600m cuz if they do release it mid 2008, then I can buy a lappy with one just in time for college

 

Wrong. This is in reference to the desktop versions of the 8600GT and 9600GT. There is currently no indication that the laptop performance will increase by the same amount. The 9-series isn't even out for desktops yet so mobile 9 series are likely quite a time away yet.

The desktop 9600GT is for the most part a renamed 8800GT. IF Nvidia were to follow the same strategy with notebooks that they are with the desktop parts, that would mean the 9600m would be a die shrank, relabled 8800m. Given the fact that the 8800m was released not too long ago, I seriously doubt Nvidia is planning on launching a mid-range card that would rival it for a while.

 

Okay, since I have the same issue as you do and your thread really made me think about waiting for the GeForce 9 Series, I did some research about this topic.
Additionally I can't wait exactly six month since I am only as an exchange student here in the US and the prices back in Europe are just incredibly higher than here in North America. Plus "we" don't get that much of a discount over there. But anyways...

People say that the new GeForce 9 Graphic Cards are likely to come out Summer 2008. First, that is wrong! The most recent release date for the GeForce 9 is February 2008. And since the announcement and the actual release of the GeForce 7 Series Nvidia has always been very correct regarding the punctuality of the releases, I assume we are gonna see the new card(s) in around one month. I'm very positive with this estimation.
Next if you google GeForce 9600gt, many sources tell you right this card to be the first one released.
Apparently Nvidia is going to wait with the release of its new High End graphic card till summer to directly compete with the new ATI Chip, in case they get it done till then
But do not understand me wrong, the 9600gt (Desktop) is supposed to be able to catch up with the 8800GS (Desktop) and supports furthermore DirectX 10.1 and Shader Model 4.1.....which does make sense finally, since DirextX 10.1 would be truly able to show off with the graphic power of the 9600.

So let us assume we'll see the GeForce 9600gt end of February. If you take a quick look at the time difference between the release of the Desktop 8600gt and the Mobile 8600gt (8600gtm) - for example at Wikipedia, just compare the tables at the bottom- you recognize a time span of less than one month!
So let me summarize: It could most possibly happen that the mobile sector of the graphic cards will added the GeForce 9600m gt at the end of March. If we include a little delay (release, stock), we could get to buy the 9600m gt at around May. Of course, I am not a clairvoyant, I could be totally wrong.
But research shows a not too small chance of being able to have the new GeForce card in Notebooks soon. I think I'm willing to wait till March with buying my new Dell

 

ATi will

 

Well odds on you may be right about the desktop release date being sooner than summer. However, as you've noted, things have changed this time - with the 8 series it was the high-end card first, according to the same wikipedia reference you use, November 2006. The first 8 series mobile card didn't appear until May 2007 - 6 months later, and the equivalent 8800M GTX not until November 2007, a full year! The fact that nVidia is switching things around to likely release a mainstream GF9 card first this time should mean that all bets are off; looking at the previous generation's release strategy is clearly no longer valid. Of course, on top of this you have the reason that the 8800M GTX was released so late - it wasn't until the desktop 8800 GT that the heat level was such that nVidia was able to safely get a mobile equivalent into the 15" or 17" chassis of laptops.

Maybe there won't be that problem with the GF9 high-end cards, but with a clearly different release strategy to before and no info known about any cards but a few of the upcoming desktop GF9s, it's not really evident.

 

This is a really good point, but keep in mind that there are already GeForce 9 series notebooks announced (ASUS M51Sn and X55Sv). The fact that there is no solid release date for either notebook certainly lends credence to your idea that things could be later, rather than sooner, but the fact that someone is already working with at least a prototype 9 series card could also point to the fact that nVIDIA realizes that the notebook market is overtaking the desktop market, which means they COULD be shooting for a release that is as close to simultaneous as possible.

Of course, this is all speculation, and we'll see how it goes once the 9 series actually launches.

 

I would love to see a Geforce 9600m GT, infact I would love to have one!

But since I just got my notebook a few weeks ago I dont think that there is any chance for me to ever have one of those, I will more likely have a 13600m gt sometimes

 

I can only say wait and then when you've waited enough, wait some more. Even disregarding whether the mobile 9 series will be released within the next 6 months (I think that the mid-range definitely will) laptop prices drop at alarming rates, we're talking nearly 10% a month. The longer you wait the cheaper your laptop will be or the more powerful it will be for the same money. Buy it now and you'll kick yourself in 2 months time and feel depressed in 6 months time when you're seeing laptops with more power for much less money. What is 6 months when you'll probably have your laptop for 3 years, that is of course unless you have to have it now.

 

@kedu:

Very true, but you'll never get a computer with that attitude, because there's ALWAYS something shinier/prettier/faster/stronger just 6 months down the line . Eventually, you just have to bite the bullet and get what's available now, unless you just don't want a computer

 

I could have sworn I read somewhere that the 9600m GT would require a supplemental power cord.

 

the 9 series for the notebooks will probably be around Q1 of 2009 since most companies have yet to give consumer the 8800mgtx.(alienware, dell xps, etc)...

 

I can see the lower end cards like the 9400/9500 coming out sooner than that, but if the 9600GT is set to rival the 8800 like the desktop version is there's no way Nvidia's going to release it within 6 months.

 

i agree. the lower end might come out during christmas for notebooks but way later for the high end ones. they almost made gamers cry and beg for the 8800m

 

The lower end 9xxx will not be impressive at all, die shrunk 86 and 8700, with practically the same performance. As far as ANY mobile card stronger than the 8800M coming out in 2008 is a complete and utter pipe dream. Lets just say that adding 1 in front of an 8600 that is still weaker than a 7950gtx is really not intriguing to me at all, but go ahead and spend your money. Seriously though nVidia will HAVE to get the rumor mill going into next XMas season of a stronger card as the ati 3980 HD should be on the market for notebooks!

 

Isn't the HD 3800 series about to be released? I thought i read something about late january.

 

And it's probably not going to be adopted by major manufacturers except maybe Dell (including Alienware). I guess it will be 8800GTS level...

 

Mind providing the sourcefor this info?

Everything sofar says that nVidia will not have DX10.1 support in their GPUs until at least the G100/GT200 series which will likely jump to DX11 and thus include the subset of DX10.1.

nV playing down the need for DX10.1 instead focusing on DX11 instead makes alot of sense because if they were to put DX10.1 in their next hardware then it would add more of an install base for developers and then make it more of a relevant feature, whereas keeping it an 'ATi thing' pretty much make any DX10.1 advantage moot as no one will code for it unless they are given incentives to do so through the Get In The Game program, and there's no TWIMTBP titles that are going to push DX10.1.

Also what makes you think that DX10.1 would allow you to show off the GF9600 any more than DX10.0? What feature is it that would be so important? Memory virtualization (removed from DX10.0 moved to DX10.1), CubeMaps, change in Buffer handling?

Just curious, because it contradicts everything out there right now and sounds more like wishful thinking, just like some of the early G92/RV670/R680 specs.

 

LOL i just bought mine....
1 year and it would be another old gpu left in the history by the time it reaches 5years like TNT2 models.
It looks like itll be supporting dx10.1 i hope it would be at least dx11.) and microsoft said there wouln't be much difference after ati released one.
Q:Will it run Crysis on the Highest setting?
A:Just wait and see.

 

You guys are way off! Nvidia releases a new mobile graphics platform every 1 year, +- a few months, at best, sometimes. May 08 will be the mobile 8 series first birthday and soon afterwards 9 series products will be released. My bet will be July-September 08. Guys, at CES a notebook was shown with a geforce 9500 gs already!

 

That annual mobile time-frame followed their annual desktop timeframe, and nothing new other than a PureVideo enhanced G80 die shrink has appeared in the desktop segment, so I think fall of '08 ar later is more realistic for anything truly 'new' and not just a G92 style refresh.

 

Naw, I don't mind
But since I myself are gonna go to bed right now you either have to wait till tomorrow afternoon or someone else has to post my (a) source.

 

Yes, technically they did show a laptop with a 9-series card in it running at CES. What you have to consider is that although that GPU might be a 9-series, it is NOT a new chip. The 9500m is a relabled 8600m with a die shrink. It's not any new technology, just relabling. It isn't proof that they're close to releasing 9-series mobile GPUs.

I'm still sticking to the bet that Nvidia is not going to release a 9600m, with the same kind of improvement that the desktop 9600GT is, until at least a year after the 8800m's release. It would be dumb and just plain embarassing for them to sell a mid-range card that's rivaling their high end's performance.

 

I posted this in another thread, the GF9500 is simply the G84-50 which is DX10.0 and SM4.0;

http://www.hothardware.com/newsimages/item5830/big_geforce_9500_1.jpg

 

few days gone by, and out of 4 notebook shops near-by placed, 3 of them offer asus x55 or so (prices below g1s with the same internals, just the styling different, prices are reaching f8s series!) that is with 9500gs 512ddr2. unfortunately i couldn't get my hands on it to test it (they do have them in the shop, just don't let the clients play with them ;/ ).

 

There is no way the next midrange card will rival the 8800m GTX at all, when the current midrange card 8600m GT doesn´t even rival a go 7800GTX. This is just dreaming and as always the desktop version gets released first, to follow up with a notebook version at least 6 months behind.

I follow updates on GPU´s a lot and I have not heard anything except rumours about a desktop 9600GT being released anytime soon. All one hear is it is in February, well it is February now, so shouldn´t we get a little hint at all?

Now the 9 series card getting released this month is just two 8800GT slapped together just like AMD slapped together two 3870.

 

I thought the GDDR3 8600 was pretty much near, at least in 3dmarks. The main difference is that since the 7800 is a high end, it doesn't come in DDR2, while you know what happened with the 8600M GT.

According to the infos, the 9600M GT would be as good as a 8800GTS and has the same specs as the 8800M GTS.

Imagine what would've happened with the 8600GT/Radeon 2600XT has 256bits bus.

 

i'd rather say 9600gt will be in-between 8700gt and 8800gts... otherwise it would be quite ridiculous decision from nvidia... until ati/amd trashes midlevel nvidias cards from the 15.4" size, we won't see such a powerful refresh...

 

I though it would be stupid to make the 9600M GT half as strong as the 9600GT though.

I mean, the 8800M GTS scores what? 7.8K? The Radeon would 3690 score 8.3k So a mobility radeon 3690 would be about 7k

The 9600 *suposedly* features a 256bits bus, while the Radeon still have a 128bits...
Plus, the Radeon 3K have DX10.1 , Nvidia absolutely needs to make more powerfull cards by a significant margin if they want to (again) win this generation since the GF9 don't features DX10.1 from what we know right now.

 

This is not true. G92 (8800GT/GTS 512) is already 65nm and so is 9600GT. It is not a "renamed" G92 either, it is an all new chip design that is physically smaller, has fewer shader units/ROPs and cheaper and cooler because of its smaller size. It will also have new features not available in the 8800, which clearly means its a different design. Here are some pictures of the GPU dies for comparison:
http://www.pcper.com/comments.php?nid=5022