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    Nvidia 9200M-GS WEI scores?

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Tantawi, Aug 31, 2008.

  1. Tantawi

    Tantawi Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hi all,

    Simple thread, if you have the same GPU (9200M GS), post your Windows Vista's Windows Experience Index score for Desktop and Gaming performance, laptop model will be helpful too.

    I ask because I'm using this GPU in my HP Pavilion dv5-1040ee, and using the 176.37 drivers, it scores 3.5 in desktop and 4.7 in gaming which is a little on the low side I think (at least for Aero)? I've seen some Intel's GPUs scores higher. Using modded 177 series drives brought the scores down to 3.3 and 4.6! so I'm back to the old ones.

    I'd like to see what everyone else is getting. Thanks.
     
  2. boypogi

    boypogi Man Beast

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    wei sucks. get 3d marks vantage or 06 better yet get real fps scores using fraps
     
  3. Tantawi

    Tantawi Notebook Enthusiast

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    OK it sucks but I want to know if it's normal scores or not.

    I got 1755 points in 3DMark06 which is good for this config but I still want to know why 3.5 in Aero?

    Thanks.
     
  4. mikhail_scosyrev

    mikhail_scosyrev Notebook Consultant

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    Yeah, it's weird. I also get only 3.5 WEI with this card.

    Perhaps it is indeed a weak one?... :) but at least it runs cool and is very power efficient. only 13 watt usage versus 23 of 9600m Gt.

    By the way, Tantawi, can you give me a link where you downloaded 3d mark 06?

    The one I got previously, asked for registration code to view the scores.

    Your score sounds higher than it was reported elsewhere at 1400+-
     
  5. Tantawi

    Tantawi Notebook Enthusiast

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    Thanks Mikhail, now I know it's not an issue with my notebook only!

    I think you got 3DMark Vantage, which requires registration to show the score. As for 3DMark 06, you can get the free trial from any link on this page: http://www.futuremark.com/download/3dmark06/ and it doesn't require a code to view the benchmark score.

    Please share your score too once you run it :)
     
  6. mikhail_scosyrev

    mikhail_scosyrev Notebook Consultant

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    Tantawi, thanks for the link. I installed and ran the test. It came out at 1742.

    I think it should run the newest games at a low resolution. :) Not too bad.
     
  7. Tantawi

    Tantawi Notebook Enthusiast

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    Pretty much identical scores :D since we have pretty identical configs graphics-wise.

    Any other 9200M users sharing their WEI?
     
  8. nickm08

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    Even though this thread has died I'll put my two cents in, and you guessed it!
    3.5................. sigh :p (and 4.7 for gaming too)
     
  9. roosta

    roosta Notebook Evangelist

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    same. does it vary depending on if you have DDR2 or DRR3?
     
  10. Darth Bane

    Darth Bane Dark Lord of the Sith

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    .......yes
     
  11. 0.0

    0.0 Notebook Consultant

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    CQ45-107TX
    9200M GS 256MB DDR2 + OC
    Aero Graphics 4.2
    Gaming Graphics 5.1
    3DMark06 2250

    Before overclocking they were 3.6 / 4.7
     
  12. mystery905

    mystery905 Notebook Deity

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    My stock 8400m GS gets Aero 4.1, and Gaming Graphics 4.8
     
  13. Darth Bane

    Darth Bane Dark Lord of the Sith

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    what clocks and what driver?
     
  14. Tinderbox (UK)

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    Hi.

    I get Aero 4.4, and Gaming Graphics 5.1 at stock clocks on GDDR3

    I also get approx 2100 points on 3dmark06demo at 1280x800 , I have had it at 2900 points with overclocking.

    Regards

    John.
     
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    700/1720/530 - 7.15.11.7553 (175.53)

    That's interesting, it shows the GDDR3 gives more than 20% improvement. I only installed and ran the 3dmark06 a few times after a backup then restored to get rid of it, stock settings gave 1720. Not sure why the online reading showed my graphics card as 'Generic VGA' or why my hard disk serial number was required to get the result :confused:

    Those Samsungs sound nice, shame they don't sell them where I am.

    And thanks mystery905, it's nice to get an idea of how other gpus fair although I'm not sure how good the WEI is for that. When I tried driver 179.28 the benchmark (furmark) went up slightly but the WEI dropped.
     
  16. Manic Penguins

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    Same here, exactly, seeing as we have the same system :p

    The CPU is another factor that needs taking into account when comparing 3Dmark06 scores :)
     
  17. sgogeta4

    sgogeta4 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    WEI is garbage, you know that, so why are you using it still? You can't compare WEI scores because they're semi random numbers. Two computers with same hardware can have vastly different scores.
     
  18. roosta

    roosta Notebook Evangelist

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    well so far we have seen consistant results from people with a 9200gs, so its not totally random.
     
  19. blue_contact

    blue_contact Notebook Enthusiast

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    Hello there

    I have an HP dv6-1045ee, with the same card and the same problem, currently using driver version 179.48 and rating of 3.3 for aero and 4.6 for Gaming.

    Though it's classified as mainstream graphic chip, I don't think it should be that poor. I think HP have a design flaw, I tried with their tech support but they play it dumb and stupid, even when I tried to inform them that they posted the wrong bios update. As far as I'm concerned this is my first and last HP notebook. I really want to slam it in the face if their CEO.

    Long live Fujitsu SIEMENS
     
  20. Tinderbox (UK)

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    Have you checked if you have GDDR2 or GDDR3 memory as that will affect you WEI score.

    The 4.4 WEI is for a GDDR3 9200m GS

    Use GPU-Z to find out, also check GPU amd MEM clocks.
     
  21. blue_contact

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    It is DDR2, GPU clock is 529, memorey is 400, Shader is 1300, temp 48/49

    How far can I overclock and how safe is it?
     
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    read thread below, it`s a GDDR3 , but it will give you an idea.

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=299785&highlight=9200m

    core : 600-680mhz

    memory : You should be able to get between 500-600mhz , but this can vary considerably, even on identical cards , all you can do i overclock it slowly and check for artifacts.

    The memory chips may be cooled or it may have no cooling at all.

    As there is no temperature sensor on the memory you don't know how hot it is getting, but you should get artifacts and driver errors before you cause any damage.

    But do you really need to overclock?
     
  23. blue_contact

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    Thanks Tinderbox

    I do not really care that much for the rating, but I'm having this frustrating sluggishness with aero mode on, that I did not experience even with Intel GM965. That's why I'm considering over clocking, but I'm pretty worried about consequences that could be quite damaging.

    I may say that you have been more of a help than the stupid HP tech support I was stuck with for the last couple of months

    I feel very disappointed now that I know it’s all because of the GDDR2……….. really
     
  24. Tinderbox (UK)

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    Can you explain what you mean by sluggishness , do you mean on the desktop or in games?
     
  25. madmook

    madmook Notebook Evangelist

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    I have a Samsung R610, which has a 9200M GS.

    WEI in Vista Home Premium 32-bit:
    3.7 - desktop performance for Windows Aero
    4.8 - gaming graphics performance

    I'm using the stock Forceware drivers that came with it: 175.97

    I have not run any benchmark programs because I use this laptop for work purposes. Left4Dead runs, but not with a very good framerate, like usually in the 20's (and this is with all graphics options set to low).

    Oh, and sorry I don't use Aero anyways, so I can't comment about how well it runs. I use "Windows Standard" theme.
     
  26. blue_contact

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    I’m having this problem on desktop, explorer, when panning a photo, browsing web pages..etc with aero mode enabled. It disappears when switching to classic. The situation has got better (but still persistent) after upgrading to driver 179.48, but only to get a little worse with driver 185.81

    HP had “Hybrid SLI” disabled in their bios, that was confirmed. Switching through power schemes did not seem to have any effect. .. I can still play some games (eg. cod2). However, it is less than expected performance by such a card.

    I thought of updating bios (current vbios version is 62.98.3f.0.6) HP, however, posted a wrong update (claims to update ATI vbios!), so I decided not to go ahead

    I Just downloaded the Dox Optimised 185.20, but I do not know whether to install it over the current driver (179.48), or to perform clean install.
     
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    Have you tried Nvidia Ntune to overclock, once you have stable core and mem clocks you could consider flashing the GPU bios, but it is very risky.

    Some times a driver overwrite works sometimes it does not, driver sweeper is a great program to clean out any leftovers.

    http://www.nvidia.com/object/ntune_5.05.54.00.html
     
  28. blue_contact

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    Good news... I followed madmook's hint, downloaded and installed driver 7.15.11.7597. Things are smother now. I'm surprised to see that aero rating has jumped from 3.3 to 3.5. Gaming is still fixed at 4.7

    It is somehow strange that replacing a driver would cause such a difference. I'm not saying it is perfect, it is simply better.
     
  29. Manic Penguins

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    That's why it's called a driver, put yours truly in an F1 car and I will got worse lap times than a pro in the same car :cool:
     
  30. madmook

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    I'm glad it helped. :D

    FYI I wasn't suggesting to anyone to use the 175.97 drivers, I just meant that its the stock factory version that comes with my Samsung R610's recovery disc, so I haven't bothered to experiment with different or newer versions. :p

    Well actually, I have tried the 180.48 or whatevers (whenever nVidia first started to release official notebook drivers), and it actually dropped my WEI rating down to like 3.3, so when I swapped to a new harddrive I said no more to trying newer versions.
     
  31. kisetsu17

    kisetsu17 Took me long enough

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    Nice one, man. Hahaha. :p

    Anyway, back to the topic, I think that's just normal (or at least perhaps NVIDIA concentrates more on gaming rather than desktop performance, lol),

    Anyway, (for the second time)in my 9300M GS which I think only is an overclocked 9200M GS, I scored just about the same WEI using DOX's 185.20 drivers (which means performance-oriented) and I remember when I got my notebook with the 175.97 drivers it was actually lower, if memory serves me right I think I had like 3.5 and 4.5, so... :D
     
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    WEI scores are flipping joke. I have gone from 2.3 to all the way up to 4.0 on different drivers and different installations of vista.
     
  34. kisetsu17

    kisetsu17 Took me long enough

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    Mmm-hmm. That's what I saw first, but then it could also be looked at through both perspectives. Hark. Haha.

    Anyway, yeah, I'd rely pretty much more on benchmark progs like 3DMark rather than WEI scores, since they sort of really squeeze the GPU more. :D
     
  35. blue_contact

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    I have a 9200M GS, GDDR2, currently running on driver version 7.15.11.7597. Aero rating is at 3.5, and gaming at 4.7. Any suggestions of how to improve ratings?.... I mean, other than over-clocking?

    I wonder if I can find a proper vBios update...
    Device ID: 10DE-06E8
    Subvendor: HP(103C)