Nvidia Directx 11 desktop GPUs available this Friday, what about mobile?

So, Nvidia is releasing their first Directx 11 GPUs for desktop this Friday - the GTX 470 and 480. Does anyone care to guess, or have any inside information how long would it be before they release the dx11 mobile versions?

 

I'd like to know this as well. I would assume shortly after the 480 releases.

 

I'm going at least a year. The desktop versions are too hot for PCIe limits... there's no way they can shrink it into a mobile version any time soon. If they do have a DX11 mobile part it won't be based on Fermi.

 

I wouldn't count on anything before Fall, Q3 -Q4 this year. Nvidia had a difficult time making their card fit the constraints of a desktop case (too big, too hot, too power hungry). Putting Fermi into a Laptop is gunna take them forever. Get an ATI, they already beat the "new" stuff from Nvidia and use half the power and cost half as much.

 

i'd say u'd get ferni in notebooks next year... and the power consumption will be awesome! By then ferni will be old just like good old G92... That's why get ATI u NVDIA fanboys!

 

Put it this way. If it took Nvidia over a year to figure out how to get DX11/Fermi onto a desktop card, think about how long it will take for them to get it on Mobile.

 

Ill blame it on low yields and its relatively large architecture. If they do make a DX11 mobile part soon, it's going to be a 300M rebadge. Already, an announced ASUS laptop, the N43JF, sports a "Nvidia 400-series high end graphics" http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=465353

 

by the time its on mobile cards everyone will be hyping for the new HD6000 series

 

Can't wait for the 6000 series with 1600 shaders!

 

the "high end" 400 series card will most likely be crap compared to high end gaming cards because of the laptop its in, its a mid-end mainstream multimedia laptop

that being said that may mean that the 400 series is coming? If so good, competition is good for everyone.

 

Wish ASUS and Nvidia good luck getting Fermi based "high preformance" Geforce 400m in a 14.5" notebook and keep it cool. xD

 

Fermi might be announced this Friday but availability won't be until April 6th or the 12th. Expect stock to sell out fast and waits for later shipments.

Cut down Fermi cards with core counts in the 128 neighborhood are said to be due out sometime around this Summer barring (likely) delays.

IF the power and heat of those cards can be brought down enough to work in notebooks you might see a mobile GPU announced around then. Actually buying a notebook with a mobile Fermi in it would follow several months after that....especially with how controlling Nvidia has been with releasing Fermi GPUs to their partners. Most optimistic case scenario I'd say if mobile GPUs are announced this Summer you maybe see a notebook with it on sale around the year end holiday season.

On the other hand, if Nvidia releases a GTX 380M (GTX "480M") based off a new G200 GPU this Summer, like what's been rumored, then that card would push back a mobile Fermi announcement until at least after CES 2011....and likewise push back notebook sales with a Fermi card until Q2-Q3 2011.

 

Hehe, I think my HD5870 has 800 shader cores. I know different architecture. But still it's funny to read 128 cores when this machine has 800 cores.

 

finally nvidia. i expect ATI prices to drop soon. Perfecting timing since im about to build a desktop.

 

I expect them in Q4, of this year. No reasoning, just baseless speculation.

 

I'll trade you 800 Pesos for $128 USD.

 

Not quite the same analogy considering the HD5970 absolutely made a mockery of the $10,000 Tesla. Don't underestimate the widely untested ATi Stream processors.
- In this case, Tesla CUDA cores are not equivalent to the Stream processors and vice versa.

 

What do you mean? It's obviously the number of cores that matters.

 

Aren't you a sour grape. Couldn't take the hint that I was just having fun with the numbers?

 

You know what else is fun? Breaking other people's crayons.

 

I don't disagree with u but rebagging and selling same stuff with different names compared to new stuff is not good competition...

Chill dude!

 

within 4 months

100%

 

Another year, any more mobile releases will surely be some form of rebaggage,

If not, NVidia will have me stunned indeed if they can get a 4 series dx11 mobile card out.

 

Give me a G200 based chip that's faster than the Mobility 5870. I don't care about DX11 yet.

 

i think you will be surprised

 

Unless you yourself is restricted under an NDA, there's no reason to hint around at something.

Spill it or quit.

 

unfortunatley i am under NDA

But suffice to say that there is alot of Nvidia devolpment going around and that i would mark June on your calendar, I cant say too much more or i will get a slap

 

This is how you come off sounding.

 

+ rep and nominee for post of the month!

:::cheering and hand clapping in background:::

 

I'm fine with hints that come from NDA, because I know what it's like to be under one (mine are completely unrelated to technology, btw).

Like prophecy, those which are genuine will come true.

*pegs June on calendar*

 

GTX480 review http://www.pcpro.co.uk/reviews/graphics-cards/356755/nvidia-geforce-gtx-480

Power hungry and hot !

 

yea looks like people would have to be stupid to take the 480 over a 5870.

 

you come off sounding like an immature teenager, but cant help that

Kevin, wise move.

 

TBH I dont want mobile GF100 in my laptop. nV is already 6 month late with desktop side, delivering marginal performance gain over AMD, in real world for much more money. I have a feeling the FULL trikle down process to laptops would take considerable time.

It took nV 280m to equalise the performance of the first gen desktop 8800m GTX - to losslessly shrink 3 billion transistors into MXM would take ... I dunno... lol

Not to mention:

A. Even mobile version of G200 haven't materialised, this will be a long wait.

B. I don't need that much power.

C. Hence, Mobility and energy efficiency makes more sense for me.

D. AMD probably will be cheaper, cooler too.

E. The 58x0 mobility has well 800 SPs, 50% shrink of desktop - we've yet to see any nV mobility chips packing more than 25% of of 480's shader count. Not to mention 58x0 appears so overclockable - and available now.

 

Well for the fun of letting you guys know, according to reviews, the GTX480 (single chip GF100) consumes more power than a Radeon 5970 (dual Evergreen). The GTX 470 isn't as high but it's still more than a Radeon 5870. Can't see laptop versions anytime soon, except maybe based on the same architecture.

 

I can see at best something like directX11 mod of the G200 crop - something with 240 sps + DirectX 11.

Anymore - is probably unrealistic at this point in time, especially looking back at their re-re-re-renaming track record.

 

Chips based on the Nvidia 200 series haven't really yet come into full swing, and I think it is likely Nvidia will use those designs in their mobile products for 2010 and likely much of 2011. Truth is that even though Nvidia chips have been rebadged so many times, and the original 8000 series architecture has been revised and matured for so long, it's no wonder it is so well entrenched in the mobile market. Mobile systems don't really require incredibly high-end performance anyway, midrange cards like the ATI 5650m and higher-end cards like the GTX 260m pretty much fulfill the requirements of the mobile world. For the really really high end you can grab a GTX 280m or an ATI 5870m.

The ONLY reason I'd like to see GTX400 series in mobile sooner is so that we can have DX11 hardware available from both vendors in the mobile market. And even then, we probably wont see real DX11 maturity for several years anyway!

 

They've landed.

 

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3783

very good, comprehensive review
summary: gtx480 10-15% faster than 5870
gtx470 in between 5850 and 5870 but closer to the 5850 in most cases
all cards exchange blows in different games
Overall disappointment considering the huge wait time

 

I'm extremely stoked about the SLi performance numbers. 90% Gain

 

The wait has been long, but the GTX 470 at least seems like a very good buy, being only $50 more than a 5850. Had I not already had a Radeon 5850, I'd be very hard pressed not to get a GTX 470 if I had to choose between the two. The only real loss would be the drastically higher power consumption of these new Nvidia cards. As for Nvidia, I wonder how much money has been lost over the supposed manufacturing issues such as low yields. However it's obvious these new cards will be a hit, so surely Nvidia will get their money back pretty quickly. Honestly I was Nvidia would stumble some more to get so much of the GPGPU domination out of their hands and into ATi with delays, but I guess I can forget about that and must rely on ATi to push open source GPGPU applications, though Nvidia could as well instead of pushing CUDA.

 

Isn't this what it was originally supposed to be? After years of SLI, we were used to only 50% boost, and now twice the power for two cards seems amazing. Some marketing potential this SLI thing had. And an ace into the sleeves of Nvidia.

 

only if you're willing to accept all the trade-offs. significantly more power used. significantly louder. it costs more. +$50.

for relatively insignificant gains. ~2%-8%. and even that may be deceptive, as AMD continues to improve drivers for certain games.

Just not seeing the logic in spending more to get negligible performance benefits at the cost of convenience and much more power used.

and let's not even talk about the 480 mess of a product.

more: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2010/03/26/nvidia_fermi_gtx_470_480_sli_review/1

seems to me the latest Nvidia offerings won't have truly been ready for primetime until a die shrink.

 

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