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    Nvidia GeForce Driver 436.30 WHQL

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by specialist7, Sep 10, 2019.

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    Tried installing the standard driver on my Alienware Area-51m after cleaning the old one with DDU but it failed, the installed couldn't detect a compatible GPU it says but the DCH driver worked.
     
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    Started happening to me a couple of drivers ago and till now didn't find a solution.
     
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    Sometimes it happens to me even on the DCH drivers, like it would install some components but others would fail like the USB-C driver or whatnot.

    I would then run the setup again and it would work, didn't even have to reboot., Try running it twice consecutively.
     
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    out of curiosity do you have this issues even with j95 modded driver?
     
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    I don't use modded drivers
     
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    Bro Ultra Male don’t want run into the well known “Area”smoke and fire :vbbiggrin:
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    :hi:
     
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    Why bother with standard driver? I installed DCH drivers on my Dell G7, works fine, games work, performance is good.
     
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    yeah I wanted to install the DCH driver bro but it didn't work with the Alienware RTX 2080. This and the previous driver failed to install completely but the standard driver did install.
     
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    Weird. I was trying different drivers on my Dell G7, which is basically Alienware m15 but in different chassis, every Nvidia driver installed fine. I don't really use any utilities to uninstall old drivers, I just use "clean install" option in Nvidia's installer which removes all old settings.
     
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    Standard drivers ain't dead. And won't be dead tomorrow!
     
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    I don't get all this irrational hatred. DCH drivers work fine for me, without any issues, only difference is Control Panel which is installed by Microsoft through their Store. All of which works fine, just like Intel DCH drivers for Intel GPU which cannot be disabled on Dell G7. 0 issues in games, 0 issues in applications. I guess some people just like to complain for the sake of complaining...
     
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    I'm a happy camper without iGPU and DCH/UWP filthy.
     
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    It's not really irrational hatred @Felix_Argyle. It's kind of sad to think that you would actually believe that is it complaining for the sake of complaining purely on the basis that your Dell G7 is not exhibiting any evidence of malfunction using DCH drivers.

    Enthusiasts and power users are typically not OK with the Redmond Retards making all of their decisions for them. Allowing those stupid losers to make decisions on my behalf will never be OK with me. They cannot even manage their own crap right, so they're sure as heck not going to be allowed to decide anything for me. DCH drivers are also inferior in some respects. You can pretty much bank on anything that comes from the Micro$lop Store being an inferior product in some way. The mere fact that they control it makes it inferior on face value. NVIDIA DCH drivers are inferior because there is some missing functionality, too. You might not know about the missing functionality if you never used it though. And, you might not even care if you never want to. But, you might not consider it irrational if you knew why some are not embracing the the idea of dumbing down the features and functionality of their PC.

    Now, for those that are content to turn the reigns over to the Redmond Retards and don't want to manage any aspect of their PC this is fine. They would do just as well, and might even be better served, if they were to buy their next piece of digital rubbish from the Cupertino Clown Possee. But, my personal opinion would be that those are the folks that are irrational. Maybe that's a bit harsh or an overly caustic view, but at very least we can safely say that they don't know what they don't know. That, or they just don't care as long as it keeps working every time they press the power button, and it works well enough for them to browse the web, check their email and play their games without any trace of effort or thought on their part. To them it's no different and no more important than their smartphone or XBOX. These are often the same people that believe overclocking is a crime and using modded firmware or unsigned drivers is sinful.
    Which is precisely the reason you should have no part of it. They DO NOT have the best interest of anyone but themselves in mind. They do not know what is best for everyone, and they don't care what anyone else wants. They want to play god and assume the role of puppet-masters. And, they will be the puppet-master for those muppets that are willing to allow it.
    Here are the details... eat, drink and be merry, for tomorrow we die...
    https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000031275/graphics-drivers.html
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    One of the main issues with DCH drivers is that you have to use the control panel from Windows store. I simply don't wanna use Windows store or apps, my PC is not a phone and being forced to do so is simply annoying.
     
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    You can download and install @j95's mod Nvidia Control panel. No need to get it from the M$ Store.
     
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    Well, if that's your personal preference then sure, I guess it's an inconvenience. Personally I do not see what's wrong with it - I let Windows install whatever Control Panel was needed, everything seems to be working fine. Windows Store itself doesn't really bother me and it's a good alternative for downloading some games like Metro Exodus or Forza Horizon 4.
     
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    Never said that there is something wrong with it. I just hate being forced to use my machine, that I paid for, in a way that I don't prefer, especially when I simply don't see the point.
     
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    I havent been able to test the drivers on my 2080 (not at home) but I've been playing on my 1070 (old laptop) and had to revert back to 436.15 as .30 was giving me problems on Gears 5.
     
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    What problems?
     
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    Gears 5 is a known issue with these drivers, it was mentioned in Geforce forums by few people.
     
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    My game would crash or just force a reboot but it wasn't from overheating or high settings because with the older drivers it never did that and surprisingly it was messing with my audio as well, same with my bro (who has a 2080Ti). Reverting back fixed it :eek:
     
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    What are you doing in the Microsoft Store involving Nvidia Control Panel? I've used DCH drivers since purchase of this laptop, always installing through Geforce Experience. Every install, I reboot and then have the new driver and accessible Nvidia Control Panel via Right-Click on Desktop.

    I've never used the Microsoft Store for anything involving nVidia drivers installing or uninstalling. What are you guys doing during your update process?
     
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    Also on latest 1903 build?
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/windows-10-1903.827243/page-36#post-10950063

    Windows 10 KB4515384 is now causing audio issues on some PCs
    "According to numerous posts ( 1, 2, 3), users are reporting that the cumulative update breaks down audio or reduces the volume when playing games. Tweaking with audio settings and uninstalling the update apparently restores the expected behaviour."

    As you see... New ain't always better!
     
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    DCH drivers should not be any more or less stable because they are the same driver. Those that are happy today and unable to find any fault in the idea might not continue to be happy after their shiny new notebook isn't the newest product on offer. The biggest problem with them is that they are not complete and rely on the OEM for support. We already know that most OEMs sucked before the cockamamie idea of DCH was ever invented. @Ultra Male has often expressed his dissatisfaction with the lackluster driver support from Dellienware muppets, and this is just going to make it worse. Windows 10 is designed to facilitate forced obsolescence of perfectly good and fine hardware that should continue to serve the purpose for which it was purchased for 3 to 5 years, or more. So, this will also play into the diabolical plans of profit-driven OEMs to diminish the value and longevity of their already compromised disposable trashbooks. It's all about taking control away from end users and enslaving them to the profit-driven wiles of those with crap they need to sell. They make it sound like a good idea. And, there are some things about it that do make sense from a developer's perspective. When you read between the lines it is pretty obvious who the beneficiaries are, and it sure ain't us. It is the OEMs and Micro$lop. As usual.

    https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/wi...evelop/getting-started-with-universal-drivers

    Universal Windows drivers enable developers [Intel, NVIDIA, AMD, Broadcom, etc.] to create a single driver package that runs across multiple device types, from embedded systems to tablets to desktop PCs.

    A Universal Windows driver package contains an INF file and binaries that install and run on Universal Windows Platform (UWP)-based editions of Windows 10. They also install and run on other editions of Windows 10 that share a common set of interfaces. [Sneaky distinction here. If Micro$lop, at their sole discretion, decides to change something they can intentionally break the drivers to make them not work for those that choose not to upgrade their OS to the latest abortion the Redmond Retards want to ram down our throats. Think Nahimic feature support if you're an MSI turdbook fanboy.]

    The driver binary can use KMDF, UMDF 2, or the Windows Driver Model (WDM).

    A universal driver consists of the following parts:

    • A base driver
    • Optional component packages
    • An optional hardware support app
    The base driver contains all the core functionality and shared code. The optional component packages can contain customizations and additional settings.

    Typically, a device manufacturer, or independent hardware vendor (IHV), writes the base driver. Then, a system builder, or original equipment manufacturer (OEM), provides any optional component packages. [Yeah, right... they'll jump right on that, like they have GPU driver support for the flagship Area 51M... right @Ultra Male?]

    After the IHV has certified the base driver, it can be deployed on all OEM systems. Because a base driver can be used across all systems that share a hardware part, Microsoft can test the base driver broadly by using Windows Insider driver flighting instead of limiting distribution to specific machines.

    The OEM validates only the optional customizations that it provides for the OEM device. [NVIDIA Control Panel is a great example of an absolutely essential component being treated as optional and has to be downloaded separately through the Micro$lop $tore, which is prima facie evidence of the magnitude of stupidity we are dealing with. So, now we have not only the inept support of an OEM to rely on, but also the discretion of the Redmond Retards whether or not support is "deserved" by end users and worthy of their attention as the sole distributor of the optional component provided by the OEM. The ODM has to pay licensing (ransom) fees already for WHQL certifications. Supporting the OEM and their "optional" pieces is going to have a price tag as well... you can count on it. So, if they stop supporting a product or go out of business, guess what also goes bye-bye. Yup, the feature-essential but "optional" part of the driver. And, good luck if your mods do something to make your "unauthorized" hardware ID not appear on the proprietary hardware ID whitelist.]

    Universal drivers are distributed through Windows Update, and hardware support apps are distributed through Microsoft Store. [Until the OEM decides they're done burning calories on last season's rubbish... they already have their money, so they don't have to care any more.]

     
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    I'm on the latest windows 10.

    All I did was revert back to 436.15 and the problem is gone, was able to play Gears 5 with my bros just fine.
     
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    Give me a TLDR, is this driver worth updating too? Is it gimped for performance? I would like a modded driver that gets new vulkan codecs working on pascal for instance.
     
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    TL;DR: just test it yourself. This is the best advice you should listen to. It does have issues with Gears 5 but if you do not play it you might not have any issues.
     
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    Sorry for the offtopic question but I keep seeing this "TL;DR:" in some posts, what does it mean?
     
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    "Too long, did not read"
     
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    I just installed this driver and I dont know why but it doesnt seem to idle at all, and prefers to always be in a constant state of "high powered mode", which I am not against, but if I am just idling with nothing going on at all, the gpu will run hot with the fans on at about 59 to 60c. Previous those values would be between 45 to 55c.

    I just tried doing the modded version, to which case I opted out of and went back to the normal version. The modded would not work, so I dont know if that changes anything.
     
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    = im lazy, please spoon-feed me :D

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    Are you undervolted with MSi Afterburner? I've found using the curve "Lock" feature within MSi Afterburner prevents your CPU from entering its deepest C-states and your idle power usage will be much higher if you're implementing Msi Afterburner undervolt with 'Lock" feature.

    Using a standard curve with no "Lock" my GPU core sits at 300-500MHz instead of the 'locked" 1440-1635Mhz or higher. Voltage draw is .500-.620 at idle as opposed to locked at .762. All of this being called "Link State Power Management" I believe.
     
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    Lock keeps the GPU at P0, while not locking lets it drop down to P8.
     
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    @j95 has not yet made a modded version for this driver. Makes me wonder why. Is it the driver is just too crap or he is just too busy. LOL
     
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    I dont mess with the voltage curve of afterburner. Is there some benefit to doing that? How do I lock or unlock? I dont see anything labeled "Link State Power Management".
     
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    I believe it helps keep consistent frames by eliminating any power or clock fluctuation. Normally the clocks are all over varying on power limits and thermal limits. The ''Lock' ideally lets you set the card to the lowest power required for the desired clock speed that grants you the most consistent performance with the least possible thermals. Combined with a good fan profile you should be able to eliminate all power and thermal throttling using the custom MSi curve.

    I think I attributed the higher idle state after the driver change to a problem with LSPM but as @yrekabakery detailed above it's really the 'Lock' feature in MSi that is keeping the GPU in the higher power state. Once disabled, it idles all the way down which in turns allows the CPU to also enter it's lowest C-state as well. Overall idle power draw/battery life is directly tied to these changes. LSPM is another control mechanism in the Windows Power profile but like I said I think I misconstrued the connection initially because I forgot I had set up the 'Lock' feature recently.

    It should be Ctrl + L to set the Lock frequency.
     
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