Nvidia Over-heating Issues - Apply to GeForce 9400M?

I have been reading about many issues involving over-heating issues with Nvidia graphics, and I was wondering if there are any widespread issues with the new 9400M card? I'm thinking of upgrading my laptop and will probably end up with that card. I couldn't find anything on Google, so I am just trying to make sure the issue is not lingering with the latest lineup.

 

there should be no issues with the 9400M.

the previous 8400M and 8600M were the ones that had faulty/overheating batches.

 

I kind of felt that way, good to hear a positive second thought about it. Thanks.

 

Don't worry, I have the 9300m and the max temperature I have had is only 74C when gaming!

 

My friend's laptop(HP), got 8400M GS and got fried XD!
8-series card is a bit dangerous for laptop.
9-series is enchancement for 8-series.
performance better and wont overheat easily.

 

My MBP has a 9400 and a 9600, I don't really have overheating issues with either one... and I use the 9400 most of the time, only use the 9600 on some higher end games.... they are good GPUs both.

 

Highly mistaken.....I have Nvidia 9600M GT and my laptop vendor Acer gave 3yrs warranty with no excess cost because of GPU overheating issues....The Acer guys said that anything goes wrong because of heat we will replace without a cost....Already got my CPU changed one time.

My GPU while gaming like Crysis Warhead reaches 94c max and begans underclocking automatically....But my cpu highest is 70c....

It just depend on your luck because you might end up with a card that has already been rectified and fixed for these issues....

As, said by someone already that 9series are just the enhancer of 8 series....And to let you know that 9600M GT is the same card as 8600M GT no much difference.....

Heat issues can also be due to drivers sometime but rare...Depends also on the bios of the GPU....Thier are many possibilities to this heat issues....

 

some notebooks have a cooling system (or lack of) that still has overheating with these components that are fine in other notebooks.

I know for a fact that certain models like HP dv5t and certain Acers... has high temps with a 9600M GT... and its normal with all owners of those systems since the thermal design of the notebook is just average at best.

 

Not quite - the 9600M GT does actually have a different core on a different manufacturing process than the 8600M GT (G96 vs. G84). It's the 9500M GS that still uses the 8600M GT's G84 core.
That being said, there still are manufacturing issues with the G96 core.
The 9400M should be fine, though.

 

Aditya is actually right. There is a possibility that the 9x series suffer from the same problem as the 8x series because they might have been build of the same material.

 

maybe they need to learn how to build better cooling in their laptops.

 

The 9650M GT also has a G84.

@doh123: The issue isn't really over heating. It's a problem with the chip's silicone that makes it vulnerable to temperature changes. Mine's been running 95~110C for 2 years and no problem.

 

Not quite, Nvidia changed the solders on the 9x series and there have been no definitive reports confirming the same overheating issue on 9-series cards.

 

9650M G S, which is the 8700M GT revised. The 9650M GT is a higher-clocked 9600M GT, a G96.

 

What nvidia did was basically change the solder on the 9 series cards, to do away with reported heating issues with the 8 series cards.

 

How can I except your reply since my CPU temps are below 80c always. Which in other words below danger zone for cpu to throttle and downclock. My laptop thermal design is perfect because the thermal temps are max to max always around 62c-63c always which is fine for a laptop. Its the GPU thats creating the issue and Acer here in oman got it rectified with Acer UK and confirmed that the heat issue are yet not solved with the 9 series of nvidia as what they had with 8 series.

Now, you as a general consumer sees that 9600m uses G96 and 8600M GT uses G84 core....But why do you guys ignore the fact that nvidia has just changed the digits like announced G84 as G96 core for 9 series.

I will tell you the difference now, the 8600M GT was biuld on 80nm technology but 9600M GT uses the same core and architecture and for only reason they call it as G96 because its biuld on 65nm technology therefore just allowing them to provide higher clock rates thats it. Thier is no heating solution has been solved with this card.

Just google it on net and see it for your self. Its not only Acer but Dell also is facing same problems with this card 9600M GT (Heat Issues).

Just dont follow the Core numbers of any card as its used to market a product. For Nvidia its easy they can say 9600M GT uses G96 and 8600M GT uses G84 and they are very different but the fact remains and that no one can change.

 

Is that true? My housemate used to use 9600MGS and I checked it is not G84. My 9500MGS is G84.
My housemate 9600MGS perform well and got no artifacts and crash.

 

There is absolutely nothing to indicate that it's been fixed, only rumors. And during this whole time, there's been not a word from nvidia, so until that happens, I would not consider the issue corrected.

 

Nope..I said it uses G96 Core...Please read the post clearly and 8600M uses G84core?? I never mentioned about crashes or any stuff...Thats gud that ur housemate uses and thier are no artifacts or crashes but I said that the only difference is the technology used 8600M uses 80nm technology and 9600M uses 65nm for higher clockrates but the design and everything is same as 8600M GT.

 

See there you guys read post#18 even nvidia hasn't mentioned anything about correction in heat issues so just please dont go by rumors go by the facts....To stay off the trouble

 

9500MGS = 8600MGS
Because both of them using G84M A2.
9600MGS is different.
My friend use 8600MGS and I use 9500MGS. I sure know about it. GPU-Z.
And my housemate use 9600MGS.
8600MGS and 9500MGS both uses 80nm technology.
9600MGS is different which is 65nm.
However, 9600MGS build is not same with 8600MGS.

9600MGS = 65nm and G96
8600MGS = 80nm and G84
9500MGS = 80nm and G84

So? Obviously, 8600MGS = 9500MGS.
9600MGS not= 8600MGS
9500MGS better than 8600MGS a bit due to upgraded and refined.
9600MGS better than both of them.

 

But what about thier GT Versions??? Are they not the same

 

8600MGS details, http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-8600M-GS.3707.0.html
9500MGS details, http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-9500M-GS.8167.0.html
9600MGS details, http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-9600M-GS.9450.0.html
9600MGT details, http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-9600M-GT.9449.0.html
8600MGT details, http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-8600M-GT.3986.0.html

You will know after you observe and digest all of them.

Benchmark comparison,
9600MGT>9600MGS>9500MGS>8600MGT>8600MGS

 

I think its only 9600M GT that has a faulty design and carries the heat issues because while using inet explorer also the gpu reaches around 75c which means you can just imagine while gaming..........

 

okay so what do you say now about the 9600M GT not GS

 

I doubt I can't answer you clearly or accurately.
More likely, it is due to overclock.
9600MGT and 9600MGS are almost the same.
Maybe you need more experts to help you here.

I overclocked my 9500MGS more than 500/430/1000, I would have downclocking issues as well.
Mine worst, 67C already downclocked. I have to stay with 500/430/1000. T.T

I hope you can fix your problem.

 

I already have the original factory clocks stored.....Also, between if you have any idea as to just for gaming purpose like crysis or general games I am thinking of switching my cpu from T series to P series..Also, heard they are pretty cooler even under full load
So, which is better you think p8700 or p9700???

 

Nvidia as a business must say as little as possible, while making all of the enthusiasts mad its overall better for business. As enthusiasts you may be skiddish of the products, but a public and open statement of any known issues would send manufacturers and retailers running away.

@Dark Silver, while notbookcheck is great note that they have errors on several pages.

 

I disagree. If a rumor gets circulated around, the uninformed public would be more skiddish, look at what happened to vista. Most people that know almost nothing about computers automatically hate vista because of what "they heard" from others and enthusiasts. This kind of press would be bad for nvidia, but I think they have probably chosen to stay quiet about it, to pretend it was never a problem at all, than to admit there was a fault in the first place. Still, that there has been no official word at all puts more doubt into my mind that it's really been fixed. I just wouldn't believe it unless we hear from them which we probably never will about this issue anyway.
Secondly, did you hear about how nvidia was sanitizing their boards of posts discussing the issue? Early on nvidia was actively deleting posts/threads about it. Obviously an attempt to contain negative publicity.

 

People know what windows is, and in general they get upset when their computer is what they will generalize as "slow". If nvidia published all the information the enthusiats demand. Manufacturers will potentially drop their product, informed consumers will leave retailers with unsold product in turn they will stop stocking products that contain the companys chips in turn sinking said company.

Your average consumer will know what windows is hear about a particular version being no good and avoid it. The general consumer doesnt know anything about video cards and will believe what theyre told their getting meets their needs. A few rumors about nvidia and a couple of failures will not affect these people. Now if nvidia comes out with a public statement every news source from tech blogs to the local news station will make mention of the companys troubles.

Vista has had ACTUAL bad press and its competitors make commercials, nvidia has been blogged about and forums run around with it. You dont see ATi dissing nvidia on tv commercials do you? In fact AMD/ATi's latest commercial goes after intels graphics package. They can not and will not release what you want for the sake of the company, so they lose a few hundred to a few thousand sales because of this. Better then bankruptcy. They didnt kill anyone they wont release information that does not benefit them. If you come out and say we have fixed the problem and a different problem with symptoms of overheating pops up, everyone's going to turn around and scream lies.

A corporate website did a little cleaning? Ooh you hear what entire governments due to their news? They reserve the right to maintain their forum they way they see fit. If they feel they need to protect the company they will. We are talking about people who get paid alot of money, wanting to keep that money flowing.

 

Yep! I know this. But it is not too much error. I won't tell 280M SLI is the weakest graphic card. LOL.

Processor, P is better than T.
P runs much cooler and faster(FSB higher and L2 cache higher).

 

Really now? All Montevina Penryn T series have 6MB L2 Cache except 1, not all P series do , also all Montevina Penryn T and P series have a 1066mhz FSB.

Low P
P7450 2.13Ghz 1066 FSB 3MB L2 Cache Idled at 44/42 constant.
Mentioned P
P8700 2.53Ghz 1066 FSB 3MB L2 Cache (25 Watt as with P series)
High T
T9600 2.80Ghz 1066 FSB 6MB L2 Cache Idles low 30's high 20's.

At load the T series is hotter, at idle they use the same clock rates as the same family of P series and usually use the same amount of power, slightly more sometimes due to cache. T series is cooler at idle due to the larger die size (due to cache) uses a larger thermal interface.


MORE IMPORTANTLY - I do not believe his computer can use any of the processor's he wants looks like a Merom means santa rosa. I know some penryns work but i dont believe they all do?

 

The 8600M GS only has 16 cores. 9500M GS=8600M GT

 

You're missing my point, the G84 and G86 cores have problematic failure rates that require GPU replacements, your first (very difficult to read paragraph) merely states that Google has reports of Dell users with 9600m GT temperatures slightly higher than normal, none of them seem to have reported the exact same GPU failure as the G84 and G86 cores.

Going by your logic it would seem my laptop should have failed ages ago, surprisingly enough it hasn't purely because I've not followed many others in overclocking my card and subjecting it to the same stress conditions that trigger the solder problem and GPU failure.

 

Heck, my 9500M GS (G84 core) has gone 13 months strong without turning into an expensive glop of silicon. And that's even WITH overclocking!

 

As stated above, the only 9 series card that could have any similarity with the faulty 8400/8600's is the 9500, but we're sure that was fixed.

And since when did dell even use the 9600? I'm pretty sure all of their mainstream notebooks went ati, besides the xps 13 with the 9400.

 

If all 3 of us are wrong and need enlightening on the supposed 9-series core and soldering issues, I would appreciate it if the Aditya user provide some hard evidence regarding the issue, and I don't mean single articles from sources with a clear bias such as the Inquirer.

 

Thanks for correcting me.
Because the GT and GS can be confuse.

But my T8100 only have 800MHz FSB. T.T
Got any softwares can raise it higher?(overclock?)

 

Read the CPU guide on the Hardware forum yet? That should answer your problems.

 

See its not a problem for me to post articles here with links..I can post as many as you want but isn't it against the rules here that we are not suppose to provide any links...But, I don't say the 9600 is bad but its just the issues its got....I use 9600M GT GDDR3 got it personally purchased from nvidia for 375$ and fixed inside my laptop........All, I am saying is we should indeed try helping others because not everyone notebook has got a expensive cooling solution under the hood and dozen of people suffer due to this.

I had to purchase separately a 40$ MXM cooling moule for my laptop to aviod such incidents.....Now I have got no issue.....You see these are tiny optional expenses one needs to do to aviod heat issue.....Also, if you wanna test then try running Crysis Warhead with Graphics settings as follow:-
Display - 1024*768
Graphics - Gamer Mode

 

But I heard T series uses around 35watts and P series uses around 20watts. Wouldn't that be better....Lesser the power consumption the less heat will be produced......

All I was asking is thier any difference between P8700 & P9700.....apart the speed and cache size....Also, the new generation SSD HDD is better I mean cooler then the normal sata HDD...

 

no overheating here

 

So far my 9300m GS has been running fine. No overheating.

 

You refuse to provide links even though you're allowed to and it's not against the rules?! Maybe it's a communication error but that seems like a paradox to me.

For the record, my Vostro 1500's "cooling solution" consists of two bottle caps propping up the front end giving the laptop some ventilation. Highest temperatures I see don't cross 80 degrees on GPU factory settings.

 

Nero Sparda I am talking about 9600M GT and not 9300M GS....For me 9300M isn't a gaming card...Also read carefully no where I have spoken about 9300M GS...I am again and again refering to 9600M....

Snowm0bile which card do you use ATI or Nvidia???

 

Ok. Sorry about that. I just use mine for gaming with a PS2 emulator.

 

I heard that forcing PC to perform like PS2 can eventually kill the PC.
Is this statement true?

 

The 9600 GT DDR3 runs warm in your notebook because that's the fastest GPU your chassis can handle. It's not going to have thermal problems before hitting 95C. There's a difference between running healthily within it's thermal budget (9600), and malfunctioning and killing itself because of faulty design (8600).

 

Thanks another greek but now its all fine since I have got MXM II MODULE COOLER for 30euros from acer as additional/optional enhancement.....so all perfect so far...........temps are like max 68c under load and planning to also get P8700 cpu and then SSD Hard Disk instead of sata hard disk...Then I think I should get temps around below 65c because no heat from HDD and cooler Processor....

But just correct me that SSD HDD deosn't produce any heat rite......(I mean Solid State Drive)

 

Not really. It really depends on your settings. It is basically just like playing pc games on it. If your laptop is not designed for it, it may kill the pc since it may overheat your parts.