Nvidia Specs of 9xxxm series

Just posting this for everyone to see. Wondering what the thoughts are on this.

http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/02/08/nvidia_posts_specs_of_geforce_9m_series/

 

"If you look closely, you will notice that these specifications exactly mirror those of the 8400M GS and 8600M GT."

ummmm... I'm not a pro on graphics cards but that quote does not sound good. So I guess my 8800M SLI will last a little longer than I originally thought.

 

Agreed, Nvidia calling it the 9XXX series is a joke.. It's nothing but re-spun 8XXX cores named 9XXX for marketing purposes.

 

Well I think that with the die shrinks the cards will be cheaper and thus these are not the mid range cards yet. Wheres the 9600? Also even the 9500 is a gs.

 

not the 9600m though

that will be a new card

and the 9600gt desktop card is shaping up to be a nice card, at the very least its no slouch

 

There will be a 9300GS to replace the 8400GS, that means the Asus 12 inch has the low end 9300: Link

Is the 9300 a die shrink of the 8400, or is it just the 8400 with a new name?

 

Yes i sadi this many, many posts ago and was called a moron because I said clearly and plainly in so many words that the 8800M would be king for atleast a YEAR....why you assk???? Becasue the 9series cards are going to be, the first gen anyway, based off the 8600 chipset & die...why u ask?? Well nVidia does not plan to replace there 2YEAR long commitment with the 8800M card. NO 9series card will beat the 8800M. The card for laptops that beats the 8800 will be based on a card that can handle dx10.1 which will not BE A 9xxxxx series card as they are all dx10 only. CHeers.

ps.. the 9series will have better shader hardware improvements that WILL make it play games like crysis and oblivion BETTER than the 8400-8700 cards, but in all fairness those card are a HUGE let down, save the 8600 gt ddr3 which is a good BANG for your buck card, as opposed to the 8700 which is quite bad and rather unprefereable for the price it is in a laptop.... Let the judging begin!

 

uh, they're probably going to release the 8900m or 9800m

never has a older gen high end card beaten a new gen high end card...

 

Will 9500M GS beat 8600M GT ?

 

My guess it'll par it.. Nvidia doesn't need anything especially powerful since ATI is giving them no challenge.

 

According to what?
The only thing different is ratios in some cards not improved shader, and not in the GF9300/9500M.

 

umm 7950gtx > 8700 (Newer Gen). Actually 7950gtx SLi >>>>> 8700 SLi

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=212554
All specs can be found here

 

uh, 8700 is by no means "high end"

high end = X800 or X900 series

please get your facts straight

the 79XX does not beat 8800

the new 9800 or 8900 will beat the 8800

 

The 8700 is labeled as a GAMING CARD..fact..yes

no 7950 gtx does not beat 8800m gtx ....fact

neither the 9800 or 8900 will be out in a laptop in 2008..fact...

 

so is the 8600gt

doesn't make it high end

okay

where did i say it did?

didn't you see i wrote "the 79XX does not beat 8800"

LOL

uh no?

how the hell would you know whats going to happen in 10 months...

 

Just because something is labeled gaming, doesn't make it high-end.

The 8700 is nothing more than an 8600 with slightly higher clocks, just as the 7950 is a faster 7800.

Read the sticky: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=39568

The 8700 doesn't make the high-end category there either--it even specifically mentions why the 8700 isn't a high-end card.

Since the 9XXX series is just shrunk + relabeled 8XXX cores, there a strong possibility we'll see a slightly faster 8800m re-introduced as 9850m/8900m or something.

 

No different than the ATI 2900 to "HD" 3870 crap...

 

ahhh I see...so going by your logic we deduce the following...

there is NO gaming card BELOW the 8800..... WRONG, 8700 sli is a gaming card...it is just not that great. What we have with the 9xxxx cards are better performers than 84-8700 cards, THAT will have better battery-longetivity and that is it. Oh i am sure that nVidia will at sometime this year release info about a card that can outperform the single 8800M, but there wont be a laptop on planet earth that will have a single card that will outperform 8800m SLi this 2008 year.

 

uh, the HD 3XXX series is a great performer...

dx 10.1 and UVD

no.

get it through your head that the X800 or X900 series are the high end FFS

8700 is not a high end card

again, you don't know that

if the 9800, or 8900m is a MXM IV, then it should work with any MXM IV notebook provided physical restraints are not different and that there is a bios release for the new card (thus 8900m or 9800m run in sli > 8800m in sli...)


i think you're a little biased because your e-pen pen will no longer be the "largest " in just a year.

LOL

 

I've re-read your reply several times, I still don't see how you made your "deductions" about my post.

I never said there would be a single card solution in 08 that beats 8800m SLI---I never mentioned ANYTHING about 87 or 8800m SLI at all in my reply.

Frankly most of your posts on this thread keep arguing various things that have no bearing on the topic.

Maybe you'll digress to arguing the merits of linux soon.......

 

First off - i was talking about the change (or extereme lack there of) in the 2900 to the 3870. If DX 10.1 is the biggest change you can get, give me a break.

 

are you kidding me?!?!

LOL

how about the performance boost of the HD3750 series? less power draw? being quieter? being so much cheaper than the 2900? UVD? transition to 55nm?

not even nvidia has dx 10.1. how is that not significant?

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3151&p=7

go back to your nvidia forum nub fanboy

 

I think we need to wait until 2009 for the next high end notebook card that beats the 8800m GTX. These were only released recently. So I think definitely 2009. I would be surprised though if Nvidia would replace the 8800m GTX that quick by just a year, has never happened before

 

uh, every year there is a new series/new gen cards...

EDIT: 6 series = 2004-2005, 7 series = 2005-2006, 8 series = 2007- present, 9 series (likely to be 2008-2009)

 

FWIW, The 7900m GTX came out ~ 7 months after the 7800m GTX.
The 7950m GTX then followed ~ 7 months after the 7900.

The 6800go was replaced/surpassed by the 6800go Ultra in even less time.

It's usually a long wait between true core changes, but a shorter wait between core revisions. If Nvidia wants to, we could see a faster clocked 8800 (8900mGTX?) this fall. If Nvidia's history is any guide, I think it's pretty likely......

 

the 7950M GTX was king of the hill for a very long time, and has only just been replaced by the 8800M GTX, so based on that i would guess it's going to be atleast 6 months or more before Nvidia come out with something to beat the 8800M GTX (maybe the 8900M or 8950M), I don't think we're going to see a 9800 or above in a laptop for atleast a year or more, and we can't even speculate whether current laptops could handle it, there is no information on it whatsoever, we don't what type of MXM it is, how much power it uses, how much heat it gives out. We just have to wait and see, since the 8800 series for desktops was out for quite a while before the 8800M was released, I think we'll see the same with the 9800.

and the 9300-9700 will all probably be very similar to their 8XXX counterparts (the same or atleast similar clock speeds) and only offering minor performance gains. And really I don't think anything except a 9800M could knock the 8800M off the top right now.

 

Yeah, I think it'll be a while before any significant change.
Pretty much expect something to come out that may be called a GF9800M or something, but like the GF8800MGTX it probably won't be anything like it's desktop counterpart.

The reason the desktops came out every year before was the delay of the GFGO6800 and then the relatively quick launch of the GFGO7 series, to truely replace it took 2 years, and that's because it toook so long to get a chip cool enough but powerful enough to be able to call a GF8800M.

There might be a refresh, but a refresh isn't what we're talking about, they could do that over and over again with a 25mhz clock boost and that wouldn't be anything worthy of being call a new part.

The main thing will be what pats are launched to companion the T200/G100, because there's no way that thing is geting in a laptop, but if they bring out a mid-level part, that may be put into a laptop and become the new top mobile replacement.

The question will be getting performance while keeping thermals and power considerations low.

I suspect the earliest we would see a replacement is pre-Xmas, maybe back to school if they're really llucky with the ability to migrate from laptop to desktop, but there won't be anything close to T200/G100 power until next year.

 

i think that s it for graphyc cards whit single gpu ...
the only think that can change is the price ...

 

I think the most interesting potential is if we see a 13.3" laptop come out with a 9500 card (8600GT equivalent). I'd be all over that like a rash.

Petrov.

 

@ Petrov completly agree with you .
if the 9500M GS is on par with the 8600M GT or even just a tiny weeny bit faster while consuming less power (die shrink) and prob. even costing less? How is that not GREAT! Not everybody need high speed gaming.
I would certainly like to have this card in a light weight 13.3 or 14" notebook. Good enough for almost all games.
M.
P.S. Yes Crysis might not work, but hey sorry crysis is just a complete programing failure. I don't think writing a game that can't be reasonably played on most hardware makes no sense.

 

Nvidia are merely following the path of least resistance (and being very market-savvy at the same time).

9xxx series cards represent a shrink to the 65nm process. Any process change means lower initial yields than the established process. It also throws up other problems meaning a lot of testing before production is ready for consumers.

Nvidia have the lead with the 8800GTX Ultra and they have no great pressure to release a faster card yet. They need to reap as much revenue from their current line up as possible before launching new cards. Phasing out the 8600 is not going to hurt them (8600's are just crippled 8800's, or 8800's that didn't pass certain tests) but the benefit of pushing out a 65nm based line of GPU's is fantastic.

They get to ship a lot of hardware based on the new process and, when market conditions and the manufacturing process is more mature they can release gradually more powerful GPU's.

Let's not forget that Nvidia plan on a high-end 8800GTX Ultra killer in the form of a 9xxx series SLI-on-a-card unit.

 

Nvidia is going: "LOOK!!! ITS NEW!!! COME BUY IT!! COME ON!!! ONLY $999999999999 BUY IT!!! ITS WORTH IT THE SPECS ARE DECIEVEING!!! BUY IT!!!!
8800M GTX ownszorz these cardzorz
the same as the 8400M GT and the 8600M GT eh?
nvidias getting rather greedy methinks
probably slapped a few extras and a new label onto their old cards

Edit: yes i know its not actually $999999999 or whatever i typed, im speaking hyperbole

 

@eykal - and they probably shrinked the thing a bit so as to produce more, sell more... and what's most important - sell less powerhungry cooler solutions that might find their way to smaller rigs (plus srr cpu and the battery might be made even happier )

 

What are you talking about !?!

I can play it on a mid core duo with a GFGO7600GS, I suggest you learn to move sliders to the left.

 

That's what I was curious would happen, as the 9500 is smaller than the 8600. Would be great to see major vendors do.

 

ooo, that'd be hot. And it'd probably run really well too because of the lower rez - and look better (no downscaling). Would the die shrink reduce heat enough to allow a 13.3" to be able to manage? I think that's a larger issue than whether it will fit or not..

 

Will they be dx 10.1/shader 4.1 compliant? If so, then maybe that's what the numbering change is all about.

 

It can result in lower yields, but not always. If the chips it's replacing have a high defect or failure rate ontop of the lower die/wafer of the larger process, it could be even or higher. And the G92 already represents the shift to 65nm.

They've already reaped revenue from the G80 to cover it, the issue will be allowing a long enough production run of a replacement to make it profitable, that's the issue they're having and why plonking 2 G92s together instead of a second chip makes more sense to spread it's R&D money.

No they aren't.
They are completely different chips, the GF8800GS is crippled G80s

The prcoess is very mature, both IHVs have experience with the 65nm at TSMC on both high and low-end products, and AMD has moved on to 55nm.

 

No, no DX10.1 / SM4.1 in the early GF9 series.

 

the 8800M GTX is the core of a 8800 GT 512 desktop..

seeing as the average high end gamers system atm has a 8800 GTS non 512 (so the less power full core


basicaly a laptop with a good duelcore say 2.4 or so and a 8800M GTX will easly last you 3-4years playing top end games at not the highest but medium settings...

the next big stress tess for hardware after crysis is Rage id's new game.. and at quake con they said it would run at least 30fps on a 8800 GT and a core2due non quad... and that games coming out in prob 2010-2012...

Any thing above a 8800 will be overkill for games for the next 2 year just as the case was with the 9800pro another card with such saturation as the 8800 GT.. Remember guys that the 8800 GTS / 8800 GTX and / 8800 ultra where extream overkill for desktop gaming for around 14months before crysis came out.. and they will continue to be overkill for the majority of games in 2008 (that are tuned for xbox360 gfx cards).. also the GT200 core.. the high end 9 core running mega hot.. and having to have "warning do not touch" on it makes me think we will never see that card in a notebook beside some stupid 3inch clevo monstrosity

so ya... you'r fine don't worry 8800M GTX has been the first time in laptop gfxs history that ive seen a desktop card come to a laptop in under 2months and it will remain the laptop gfx card of choice for the next year and its price will prob stay just as high.

expect to play Halflife3 and crysis2 on your 8800... at strong settings in other words.