Nvidia announces GTX580- +20% over GTX480

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 Specifications Leaked by VR-Zone.com

i.e. It's a respin/new stepping of GF100.

And a benchmark:

 

I never assumed because it was because of the 5xxx. Source must have been crap.

 

They reorginized GF100 at a very basic level of the architecture to create GF104, but if you want to nit-pick that's your discression.

 

sorry for noob question, but has there been any news of a dual gfx 490 / 590 coming from nvidia yet?

 

The fabled dual GF104 has been talked about for awhile and a card from Zotac has been spotted but nothing has gone on sale yet.

GF104 is more than a basic change to GF100. Superscalar schedulers and 48 cores per SM took a good bit of design work, and the point is it didn't happen overnight. If it wasn't Nvidia's original plan two develop to different archs under Fermi then GF104 went into development right after GF100 started facing it's problems.

 

It was cancelled since it wasn't worth it for the current GTX 495 plans. Nviidia scrapped it and instead will have to wait for a GTX 595 which will likely be based on the GF104/GF110 since the HD6970 early benchmarks for single card are so insanely high and still using less power than a GTX 480.

 

New reports show Nvidia's now down to under 38.1% of the discrete market.

Amd dominates the discrete graphics market - The Inquirer

 

I would be interested to know how the inq... would know the results of the report without acutally having the report.

oh wait, here it is...

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/...on_Discrete_GPU_Market_Mercury_Research.html#

38.1% discrete? If the entire discrete market is mobile, sure.. Otherwise, 49.6% is >45 any day. Typically, the Inq jumped the gun/ or distorted the facts without any evidence.

 

i'm my self a ati suporter and i can say from what they say that they are clearly biased toward ati

 

It's far more likely that it's just because The Inq likes to report hot, eye catching topics first, and then check their credibility / facts as an after-thought.

 

also that but if you cheq thier other news there are pages and pages and pages of nvidia bashing

 

No not really. Nvidia fanboys won't admit it, but almost all of the discrete graphics sold over past year are AMD. 80% of DX11 are AMD. The numbers Nvidia still holds it seems are just people who frankly farted on the FERMI and said no and kept their old Nvidia, but didn't want to buy an AMD either.

And new games haven't given them any reason to give up their 9800, 260, 280s etc.

 

First, what are you suggesting? That the inq doesn't frequently post mis-information before they have any facts?
Second, You don't have to be a fanboy to analyze numbers like those provided by mercury. What a Fanboy will do, is create ficticious or baseless scenarios to explain said numbers. nvidia has had a majority share of the desktop market through the entire year. It was in Q2 that AMD managed an overall 1-2% stride over nvidia, which is a small lead, but to say almost all discrete cards sold are AMD cards is a fallacy.

Quarter 2, mercury research
AMD units shipped (in thousands) 44.7% 6900
Nvidia units shipped (in thousands) 55.3% 8550
ATI Commands Markets of High-End, Mainstream Graphics Cards - Research - X-bit labs



Quarter 1 mercury research
ATI Gains Discrete GPU Market Share ? Mercury Research - X-bit labs
AMD market share (desktop); 42.1%
total overall; 49.7%


if anything, Fermi has allowed Nvidia to Blow AMD way, and hold it's largest lead over AMD in the desktop market for the entire year.

thanks for the purely opinion/speculative comment?

you seem to be stuck in thinking that top tier products are what make a company.. 18.7million people bought disctete graphics card products in Q3 alone. Do you really believe that Nvidia sold 11million GTX480s lol?

Please.

your information is where? Read the Q2 report.

there are several authors there, I won't discount that some of those people may still have 12 year old minds and play fanboy in their articles, I'm mearly suggesting that they're wrong more often than they rant.

 

update, vr-zone specifications seem to be confirmed.

The GeForce GTX 580 mystery is clearing - www.nordichardware.com

 

There's no such thing as unbiased news. If you think you've ever read some it's only because you didn't find the bias overly objectionable.

As Lozz showed your best option is to find as much info as you can from as many sources as you can to better form your own bias.

Those charts show Nvidia's only really leading big against AMD in the sub $100 desktop discrete market which didn't get Fermi options until September and October. It's a market share consisting mostly of 300 series OEM parts and the GT 210.

It's also a market share that's set to phased out by Sandy Bridge and Fusion IGPs.

Even in the other market share where Nvidia led in sales, the $200-300 range, the only Fermi part for most of the quarter was the GTX 465. The GTX 460 launched a couple of weeks before that Q2 report came out.

Report: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 TDP is 244W, includes 128 TMU, Benchmarks Leaked by VR-Zone.com

 

Quite simply one of the best quotes ever handed out in NBR, none more true.

Back to the topic, I feel rather sorry for the people who bought the 480 after reading up a little on the 580...I'm guessing that they cut the price in half on the 480 so they could make the 580 the same price as the old 480 price.

 

Nvidia has optimus, and ion that will stem the tide for a few months until people realize what's going on, so they're not out of cards just yet. Although I agree, Fusion is going to be their biggest problem, Sandy Bridge is just the same Intel poo directx 10.1 12EU IGP with a new higher clocked dress, , it's not the 5600X based killer Fusion is going to be. However, Nvidia has other markets it's been investing in, so the company will survive just fine.

so are you're suggesting they lead the market with inferior hardware?

 

Are we talking about notebooks now or are we still on low end desktops, because an Optimus tech that's not conserving battery power has zero value. We probably should concern ourselves more with notebooks since this is NBR.com after all, and then we can talk about how Intel's craptacular IGP is already dominating all GPU sales at nearly 54% market share.

Talking about notebooks would mean we'd have to stop talking about GF110 too though.

Sub $100 desktop discrete GPUs primary offering to consumers is better media/video playback than IGPs, but Sandy Bridge is set to handle that level of performance by itself. Sandy Bridge has been shown to have near HD5450 performance....which means it beats G310/210/ION. Ivy Bridge will continue on to double SB performance.

Tegra is dominated by Qualcomm. The FCC didn't get Nvidia it's own x86 license. Intel and AMD won't be out of the ARM race forever.

That's all just got barely anything to do with notebook discussion though.

Inferior hardware to what? The HD5830?

There's a reason why the $200-300 segment only made up ~3.6% of total desktop discrete sales in Q2, there just weren't any good offerings in that price range. HD5770 was sub $200 and the GTX 465, & HD5850 were both barely under $300.

Q3 sales probably saw a big share for Nvidia because of the GTX 460 but there's legitmate questions about how much profit Nvidia makes off selling the GF104 at those prices.

 

i like this thread.

 

Nvidia IMO are taking a loss on the GTX 460 since it's publicly well known the GTX 460 costs more to manufacture than a HD5870 and yet being sold for half the HD5870.

The other part is Nvidia has begun to sell their own branded cards now that BFG and XFX have been eliminated forever and no other AIB has been added. The price Nvidia is selling a GTX 460 is over $300 with tax in stores.

I think with Nvidia now selling their own branded cards, can expect the price of Nvidia GPU to rise in the future and likely EVGA etc prices will no longer be determined by just the market competition, but the price Nvidia sets for their own branded versions to sell at.

 

Intel has had controlling gpu marketshare for a decade. They had 50% when they were putting out Extreme2 graphics. 54% on craptacular IGP is nothing out of the ordinary for Intel, espically with new markets like netbooks and tablet PC's picking up steam within the last few years

I thought we were, since Notebook technology is translated Desktop technology after all... unless you're suggesting otherwise. Being NBR has nothing to do with talking about new computer technolgies, unless your method of finding out about new products is to live under a rock and check the dell.com online configurator.

 

I would agree can speculate based on desktop. Problem is you don't know what version will be for mobile. The GTX 580 most definitely will not be the card Nvidia will base for mobile, not even close, half that.

The best way to speculate is just wait and see what the successor the GTX 460 desktop will be IMO and I have not read of any announcement for it. And likely won't be since GTX 460 was just released in July and expect that to run for another 6 months to a year.

And if I were to speculate the GTX 580M will likely be based on the GTX 460 again, a GF104 with about the same number of cores as GTX 460. If Nivida accomplishes this, the GTX 580M would be an awesome card, if you want an Nvidia that is.

It's obvious the GTX 480M was a mistake and Nvidia risked it and went ahead and now we see, it's a failure. Power/Performance is abysmal and even on the insane cooling of a Clevo X7200, temps can reach 102C.

The GTX 460M and GTX 470M are GF104 what the 480M should have been also. The point is, if we were speculating on what Nvidia did with GF100, months later would have proven speculations were wrong since the architecture itself is not even the same.

Speculation on the AMD HD6870M or HD6970M, whatever naming scheme AMD uses, is possible since AMD has hinted and pretty much confirmed the architecture would be based on Barts. This is a different scenario.

 

There's no speculation necessary, it's a thread to host the upcomming GTX580, not to try to figure out it's mobile translation. Eventually, something will be based off it in mobile form though. Which is why it's relevent.

it's not? Is GTX480 and 480M not GF100 based? and are GTX460/470 & GTX460M/470M not GF104 based?

 

I don't see your confusion. That's what I said. The GTX 460M and GTX 470M are GF104 and what the GTX 480M should have been also. It's obvious Nvidia just rushed the GTX 480M out since the HD5870M was already being sold in masses and the GTX 285M simply wasn't competitive.

I personally consider the GTX 480M a failure for a mobile gaming GPU and should just be removed from the market replaced with a GF104 equivalent. Why Nvidia hasn't done this already months ago is curious.

 

my apologies, I took the reponse as something different.

 

That Sir, was an Epic Review. It made my day lol.

 

I'm sorry I didn't watch this sooner, I almost died laughing XD . WOOD SCREWS, and it's all Jen-Hsun Huang's fault were the bestest.

 

Well, Clevo has trash binned the W880CU, so take this as the official sign, that the 480M was a complete and utter failure.

 

LOL! Brilliant! Wood Screws and wheel chairs...

 

a complete failure that performs so beautifully. i could only wonder how much faster my NP8850 will be after a nvidia 5xxM upgrade. i'm pretty stoked!

 

There is nothing wrong with 480M, it is still the fastest single card along with 470M, only downside is its exorbitant price, which scares away most consumers. If it's just priced 200-300$ higher than 5870 like it should, we would have seen a lot more 480M owners.

 

the price and 100W thing. OEM's would have to do a partial redesign for most of their laptops. Which is asking a lot for a card that had a bad repuation before it even arrived. I'm not sure what Nvidia is doing anymore. They move out of the relm of their own specifications for MXM3.0B on silicon that has had so much flak for high power usage. Apparently They haven't learned from their mistakes so far. A 480M in a laptop is neat, but it absolutely makes 0 sense for any aspect. GF104 is superior in every concieveable way in laptops.