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Lack of extra screen options and lack of internal ODD were what I was speaking about. If you add the sum of what is available (2 x HDD, 2 x SSD, 1 x ODD vs 2 x HDD, 2 x SSD, etc) then the SM-A models have more possible parts housed internally. The cutting out of some of those extras (which was generally thought of as "negligible loss" by most users) resulted in the ability to cut down on some weight and size.

Which is what my point was. If you want to not sacrifice cooling/functionality but reduce bulk and/or weight, you need to remove other internal components to cut down on the size/weight. I'm not saying that the ZM models should have kept an internal ODD or anything. They're fine as they are. I was just making the point about how you cut down size/weight.

 

Why must laptop manufacturers create a high end gaming laptop that's both thinner and lighter? It had been a better gaming laptop with a ok size and better cooling but lighter, due to less internal components and M.2 ssd which cut down on the weight. People complain most of the weight of the laptop ..

 

P150SM-A has only 1xHDD, you have to use the ODD for 2xHDD. Screen options are probably the biggest concern I guess but for 95% of people they are happy with the stock IPS 1080p or 4k offerings. I hope that they do offer more/better screen options and there likely will be options. But I get what you're saying. By slimming the P750ZM too much we lose some screen options, but that's pretty much the only compromise. Otherwise I don't see the P750ZM as a compromise in any way, shape or form. I see laptops like the Razer Blade 14, MSI GS60/70 Ghost, Aorus a compromise.

 

The P157SM-A had 2 HDD slots + an ODD slot though, and the P170 and P177 had 2 HDD slots each. The P150SM-A was thinner than the P157SM-A as well. Even on Clevo's site there's differences in their dimensions.

And no, I don't consider it a compromise at all either. It's a fantastic machine, and one I would be just fine owning myself, honestly. I was just saying that things need to go when removing bulk, and even the ZM series was no exception.
And yes, the Blade 14 and GS series and the Aorus are huge compromises.

 

Looks like this could be a problem with high expectations : http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/lenovo-y50-fan-control.775407/

Eric

 

his temps are super high, but still. People are thinking this'll never happen.

 

That's because the Y50 is poorly designed. The vents are actually blocked.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/lenovo-y50-cooling-mod-10c.772029/

 

Isn't Skylake dumping FIVR too? Long standing rumor about that one. Guess no voltage control in Skylake either.

 

I agree with you people, that's way I use my i7 4710MQ with turbo boost disabled

 

Yes they are, but integrating pch.

 

I have a friend who runs her 4810MQ at 3.2GHz instead of 3.6GHz. It cuts 15 degrees off her temps in games.

 

Great...

Can Intel just stop integrating these additional heat producing components onto the CPU die?

 

I thought that was just U and Y models? It doesn't make sense to run that across the whole line, it basically turns them into SoCs and heat will be a huge issue in high performance scenarios if they do that.

 

My bad! Ethrem is right!

Edit: it will utilize DMI 3.0.

 

How the... *facepalm*

Yep they're dumping FIVR. Makes sense for desktop chips since mobo offers full voltage control anyway, but bad news for mobile users since one can no longer undervolt. Although it could be argued the heat from the FIVR more than offsets any thermal advantage undervolting brings.

Apparently all "non-S" SKU Skylake chips will follow a SoC design and have an integrated PCH, so basically all mobile chips.

 

That was my thinking as well. Maybe we will see some lower temps finally... And chips that turbo.......

 

Indeed, I think 3.2 GHz is sweet point for me too. Anything beyond that will hit 90-ish celsius. But I like less loud fan noise and 60-70-ish CPU temps so I use at 2.5 GHz. I never determine any sudden FPS drops in games which is common for bottlenecks.

 

Never thought I'd say this... But I'm glad I bought Haswell now...

 

At least with Haswell you can still get PGA chips. That alone is enough of a reason to never downgrade sorry I mean "upgrade" to "more efficient" BGA CPUs.

 

Apparently Intel is basically designing mobile chips now for midrange usage at best. Anything high end they expect people to use desktop CPUs. Looks like the ZM line is going to be a more common thing in the future.

I have no proof I could link to for that information though. But it does make sense, since the HQ chips (and where people keep shoving them into) seem to be designed for nothing beyond low-CPU-usage 60fps gaming.

 

Where did you find H has it integrated? I thought both S and H have it separate... (from minutes of research)

 

And DX12 further supports that theory

 

Except that DX12 and games using it won't be mainstream for a good while, so this specific time right now is going to be sucky as balls for everyone for at least a year.

 

DX12--fastest uptake since DX9: http://www.dsogaming.com/news/direc...ce-directx-9-explicit-multiadapter-explained/

DX12 games coming out late this year and early next year are in the Skylake time window.

 

really want to upgrade soon.

 

Yes that was the old rumor. Seems that for the last 6 months it's now rumored that H parts will also have an integrated PCH. It's been floating around different forums for a while, and while I can't remember the exact source, PCAdvisor mentions it at the very end.

 

Actually the exhaust is under the screen hinge and quite large.

As wide as the two fans, blowing straight out of the back.

Eric

 

They're intake not exhaust according to that thread

 

Intake is on the bottom.

Eric

 

Most laptops have more than one intake location

 

Sure, But the bottom grills on the Y50 are right under the fans intakes.

The so called exhausts on the sides are right next to the speakers and in my opinon purely cosmetical and opening them up will have no impact on the airflow.

But I wont hijack this thread anymore, most people who open up a Y50 will see it right away and I thought the images I posted (not mine btw) are very self explanatory.

Eric

 

DX12 is the only way that Microsoft can salvage the mess they made with the Xbox One. Developers will quickly move to DX12 for the consoles and since everything is console ports these days, PC gets the benefits too.

 

that's the most blandest bottom cover for a laptop i have seen ever!

 

Is that the bottom of a microwave oven?

Eric

 

Bottom of my laptop XD

 

Bland can still be nice looking. XPS 15 carbon fiber bottom cover... very nondescript, but having rubber strips for "feet" instead of small rectangles or round buttons is pretty slick.
The labels are under the hinged metal plate, so they don't get worn or peeling off in normal use. The "chassis" is actually the underside of the machined aluminum palm rest.

 

inb4 gigabyte releases the p34v4 makes it mac air thin, removes all ports, then adds 1 USB type C and sells it as the "worlds thinnest and fastest gaming laptop on the planet "

People will ignore thinnest and see fastest, grab it, post for it, defend it, rage for it, weeks later, walks of shame everywhere and blood trails on the floor from [REDACTED]

Don't get me wrong, I think thin and powerful would be great, I mean think about it, I could totally hide it in my crevices, and allow myself more carry on baggage for a plane~
#shotsfired

 

Does this rock on uneven surfaces?

I have a rubber strip at the back on my Y50 but two buttons up front and so far it has been stable.

Just wondering, geometry tells me two long strips on a uneven surface would rock a bit....

Eric

 

if its a wet surface I"m sure it'll glide back and forth given its rubber.

 

I doubt its lubricated.

Eric

 

Explains why people complain about these things being so hard to work I guess, +1 to thin and light

 

My wife has the XPS 15. I never use it, but she has never complained about slipping or rocking. It is almost always used in her lap. When it is not being used in her lap it is used on a dining table or kitchen counter, so she has never had any reason to try to use it on an uneven or wet surface. I suppose if it dies out of warranty, those rubber strips would allow us to use it as a fancy squeegee.

 

Have you also applied liquid ultra on the XPS 15 Mr Fox ? Remember she use the laptop in her lap...

 

I'll reserve judgement until the first DX12 game releases.

 

Nah, there's no need for it. I just clean the dust out once in a while and that's all it needs. It's not a "high performance" or "gaming" notebook, and she is not an overclocker or gamer. It's a really nice looking, very well built, mainstream consumer machine and she loves it. It rarely ever sees any kind of serious workload. Puzzles, arcade and card games are about as crazy as it ever gets for her use patterns. Its GT 640M is still running the original GeForce drivers that it shipped when we bought it from Dell a couple of years ago and so is the Intel HD 3000... nothing but antivirus definitions and critical Windows Updates have ever been applied... no reason to.

 

Believe me, if Mr. Fox's wife was an overclocker, they'd never get anything done. They'd just try to out-overclock each other XD

 

Maybe the benchmark test from Mr Fox has been much higher... Because of the competition between him and his wife

 

LOL, you're right. That would be a disastrous (and extremely expensive) marital union. But, I am very thankful that she tolerates my hobby... most of the time.

 

Or all the time