Nvidia ignoring 8600m problem?

Hi again everyone, happy new year!

Im happy to see the start of this new year with improvements here

Sounds REALLY good about the vista flicker/stuttering fix by going to 15x.xx drivers, but unfortunatly im back at winXP as some mentioned that it would stutter less.

That however seems to differ a bit from game to game, most do stutter less, but still alot. Also they seem to run alot slower fps wise!! which I dont understand.

I do that same "fixes" every time and with every driver.

1. set performance to high (battery)
2. fix the LOD to clamp
3. turn off powermizer
4. even tried DX-something with rivatuner to force tripple bufffering

All these things.. hard to say, but might do a little. But it far from fixes this issue for me.

@blackbird
Thanks for the msg! I've added you to MSN

keep it up people!

 

I have just played some cod4 in xp for some time, and it seems the stutter surely is alot less in winxP with that game! in wow i can report lower fps and not sure about stutter yet, havnt tested enough.

im using 169.28 (xp 32bit) right now, but im temped to go back to vista x64 again! after some had succes with using 158.xx drivers instead!

I kinda like to use all my 4gb effectivly

 

Alright, I reckon I might have a fix that should work in theory for everyone.

Well the stuttering has been narrowed down to powermizer doing all weird sorts of **** in the new drivers, or the bios reading and reporting the wrong temperatures causing the systems to lower their clocks to reduce temperature and thus cause stuttering. OR it could be powermizer interpreting the temperatures incorrectly

Some people here have noted this behavior as when the stuttering occurs the rivatuner monitor shows the gpu clocks decrease.

Anyway the toshiba folks got this fixed by a bios update (hinting towards incorrect temp reading)

Before you attempt these, just try turning powermizer completely off in the nvidia control panel upon new driver install and see if that helps.

Also do the standard procedure stuff as well like, defrag harddrive, check to see if it is indeed a temperature problem(not incorrect reading but realy high temps causing overheating), if it is please do NOT atttempt solution 2.

For the rest there are two solutions that I suggest (Follow at your own risk, I wont be held responsible for any damage done)


Solution 1

• Install 158.XX series of drivers as the stuttering started to show more and more in the newer drivers due to the coding of powermizer.
  
• Install preferably 158.22 on XP and 158.45 on Vista.
  
• After installation go into nvidia control panel by right clicking and selecting nvidia control panel, navigate to manage 3d settings.
  
• Change multi-display/mixed.... to single display instead of the default multiple
  
• Change LOD bios to clamp
  
• Save and exit the control panel.

Try your games out now, hopefully they should work without trouble.


Solution 2

This is for those who want the optimizations of the newer drivers and still have no stuttering

First off dont apply this tweak if you dont know what your doing and dont apply it upon every new driver install if it works for you, as maybe in the newer drivers the stuttering wont be a problem (as its the case for me in 169.28 for xp 32bit).

• Anyway install rivatuner 2.06
  
• Run rivatuner and go to power user
  
• Expand Rivatuner / Nvidia / Overclocking
  
• Select EnableLowPower3dControl and type in 1 (you should see 1 next to it and a yellow light bulb appear)
  
• Expand Rivatuner / Nvidia / Overclocking / Global
  
• Select MaxClockLimit and enter in a large value lik 800
  
• Now go to system settings (where the overclocking is done and all that)
  
• Tick the box to enable overclocking
  
• Note down your clock speeds for performance 3d
  
• Now select low power 3d and change the clocks to match those of your performance 3d.
  
• Do the same for standard 2d
  
• Now all three, standard 2d / low power 3d / performance 3d / should have the same clock speeds.
  
• Apply these settings and exit rivatuner

Go ahead and try your games....this should stop stuttering if its due to powermizer as when powermizer goes into powersaving it will be the same clocks as your performance 3d.

This solution could potentially be dangerous if your cause for powermizer dipping into powersaving mode is in reality due to high temperatures, so please be carefull and monitor your temps.


Well hope these help, and giving credit where its due, thx to theforreunner and nealyblue, as their thoughts led me to my conclusion.

 

Thought id just make a bump here again, and state that the rivatuner fix does close to nothing to this problem.

I mostly play wow when i got the time, so thought the problems were just wow related, but they are not. It's the same as always.

No matter what game i start, or what driver i use, what OS i use or how much i keep my drivers up to date. I can play for about 20 seconds with the best smooth gameplay ever seen on a laptop, fps is overall really really good too! But then after that time period, things change a bit, fps drops a bit like 5-15fps depending on game and situation, but things start to get massive slowdowns, and its not like every 5second or so, its constant! like if you play a movie on slowmotion/fastforward by changing the speed up and down constantly, thats how my games run!! ALL of them... Im seriously running out of ideas here. 3Dmark produce fine fine scores, because most of the tests never run long enough for it to become a problem.

anyway! *bump*

 

Same here. I wrote an E-Mail to one of the bigger gaming magazines here in Germany, since they're known for dealing with reader's technical issues on a regular basis. Maybe they can ask few more uncomfortable questions than we people possibly could.

 

Well, I'm glad I found this thread !!

I have had my ASUS G1S for about 3 weeks, and have been happy with it, tweeking various things, installing games etc, but I worked away this week and tried to have a bit of time on Crysis. Exactly the same symptoms. Tried again with UT3 - The same.

I was thinking that it was heat related, and that it was just my machine, because it runs well for a couple of mins, and then starts this problem.

What's frustrating is that the G1S is marketed as a "Gaming Series" machine.

In order to play any decent games, the first thing you have to do is not update the drivers via ASUS website, because you can't play Games with your "Gaming machine" if you you use those, instead, we're all forced to use "Hacked" versions of Desktop Graphics card drivers just to use the thing for the purpose for which it was intended (and marketed) :<(

Like I said, I'm glad I found the thread, and that it's not just me, or my machine, and I'm going to try some of the fixes posted here. Whether or not I'll be successful, I don't know, but either way, I'm certainly not alone, and so there is hope of an official, permanent solution.

Thanks for the info guys.

JFYO: Vista, T7300, FW169.09

 

Hey everyone,


I had stuttering issues like crazy as well. I did the update thing for Vista, got the latest drivers from here and there Dell and non Dell. Finally I started to focus on hardware and I decided to get more ram. I had 2GB, got 4GB for which 3.5GB only show due to Vista 32Bit OS. Ever since then I have not had any issue's with the 8600M GT. Do you think that even though Nvidia depicts the 8600 as dedicated graphics could they really have a Turbo memory feature? Little left but it solved my problem.

 

Much Happier :<)

I've just installed 169.28, and then had 20 Mins of Crysis, and 5 Mins of UT3.

Interesting.

At first, I thought that the problem was solved. It is, but it isn't; The problem now only occurs when the framerate drops to below approx. 23FPS, whereas previously, it occured at all framerates, all the time after 2-3 mins of play.

I can now enjoy both Crysis and UT3 on my G1S.

Really Pleased with Crysis 1024 x 640, all Med, except Shadows=Low, PostProc=High. Between 30-60 fps most places, drops down to early-mid 20's during moments of heavy combat, but even then, the problem isn't very apparent unless I'm looking for it.

Happier with UT3, although had to switch down from 1280 x 800 to 1024 x 640, otherwise, the problem is noticeable, because on some maps, fps is around 23 for prolonged periods at the higher resolution.

Overall, although this is not the ultimate solution, it's a vast improvement, and, like I said, actually allows me to enjoy the games, and, as they say, things can only get better (with future driver releases). If the problem had only ever occured below approx. 23 FPS in the first place, I would have put it down to using too high settings, and been content with smooth gameplay by reducing settings, and not even known that there was an issue.

ASUS G1S 2G, RAM, T7300, 8800M GT 256MDDR3, Vista32

Blackbird: - Thanks for the suggestion ! :<)

Thomas - Thanks for your original post, or I wouldn't have found my solution for what I thought was a defective new Machine. - Have you tried 169.28 on Vista32 ? - If So, did the prob occur above approx 23 fps ?

P.S. It's still wrong, that you buy a Marketed Gaming machine, unable to play current Gen.Games without the installation of "Hacked" Drivers which are not reccomended by the manufacturer. As an enthusiast, I don't mind personally, but someone who isn't would find these machines useless for gaming.

 

@AegisBMD

Ive had 4gb ram all along, nothing has become close to better here.

@Icaru506
I think ive tried every god damn drivers in all the lines by now.. litteraly! nothing works as it should. I dont think its really driver related. More likely to be integration between the 8xxx gpu - chipset and BIOS. Toshiba users have had thier issues fixed totally by a BIOS update some time ago.

p.s. Ive only really tested vista x64 but dont expect any difference from 32bit to 64bit on this subject.