Online gamers have no respect or honor

I'm somewhat new to online gaming. I guess I just assumed it would be like multiplayer gaming with my friends, only people online are ruthless.

My whole life when I've gamed with friends in person, everyone has extended certain courtesies to one another. Like not shooting each other when it's OBVIOUS that you must be looking at the menu. I've even typed in things like "don't shoot me, I'm trying to figure something out" only to have someone walk up to me while my character is looking at the ground and blast me in the back of the head with a shotgun. BS.

And online it seems people just want to hide in corners, stay in one spot, and use sniper rifles rather than have a stand-up fight.

/online gaming

 

lol yep, that's online gaming for you.

There's always someone more rigged up than you, so the far away approach is the only way to do it these days, otherwise you're just a huge easy target mark.

 

Online gaming mirrors life. There are always going to be people that cut you off on the highway and people that have the same style and values that you do. You can't drop into a game and expect that everyone is going to behave just like you want them to. Take some time to find people who have the values that you do and you'll feel a lot better about online gaming.

 

I think more or less everyone experiences the same thing as you are now, the first time they start playing online. The bottom line is everyones trying to get ahead, and there's just nothing to gain by being nice to someone you don't know who likely won't ever return the favour - so the whole premise is sacrified. You'll get used to it, and think nothing of it - just as soon as you learn to expect nothing in the way of anonymous kindness from strangers It works out OK in the end - once you've learned to think the worst of everyone, you get a warm feeling every time that rare demographic of internet gamers with manners and etiquette makes itself known, and someone comes out of the woodwork and does something respectable

P.S, I know what you REALLY meant, so I'm not being pedantic or trying to flame you but... I lol'd at how pathetic that sounded

 

This is what's great about online. This is what's the greatest thing about online is: You play to win the game. HELLO?!

You play. To win. The game. You don't play to just play it! That's the great thing about online; you play to win. And I don't care if you don't have any wins, you go play to win.

When you start telling me it doesn't matter, then unistall.... get out, because it matters.

So, alright, you know, that that that.... this whole topic bothers me.

 

You play games where the objective is to kill your opponents, and expect them to not kill you if you ask them nicely? Don't be naive.

 

Thats how the internet works, and not only in online gaming, but also in certain forums.

@Lysander
Truth as well, lol

 

"INTERNET GAMING IS SERIOUS BUSINESS"

Seriously though - the original poster wasn't debating whether or not the point of games was to win them; he was just highlighting that the social nicities in place playing at home on the sofa are non existant when playing with strangers.

Let me issue a pre-sponse :

"OMMAGAD DUH THAT IZ OBVIUSS!!!11 INTERNETS NOT TEH SAME AS AT HOMEZ! PLAY TO WIIIIIIINNNN"

-- perhaps, but again, the original poster wasn't asking any questions, just ranting about the abscence of something he's clearly fond of, when playing online - and speaking as someone who used to kick back with his friends on the SNES and crank out some Mario Kart or what have you, I can thoroughly empathise.

 

I was just kidding, btw.

 

Online gaming is a mixed bag. It is frustrating when you're new to a game, but frequently there are "newb" servers running. Although experience players sometimes get in there for a cheap kill, or pad their stats if the game tracks that sort of thing.

Depending on the game though, joining a clan is a good idea. At least they have private servers and many have "training" sessions to help improve your skills.

I usually just throw myself in the mix sacrifice myself, but honestly, this improves your skills quickly. It is frustrating at first, but concentrate on one thing at a time and you'll get there.

Also, try single player mode, even if its just you running around the map. Half the battle (or more than half frequently) is knowing how to use the map to your advantage.

Don't ever expect someone NOT to kill you though because you tell them you're trying something new. It'll only put a bigger target on your back!

 

Yeah I have played quite a bit of online games and gaming seems to bring the worst out in people. I play some fps like COD4, FEAR, and way too much WOW. FEAR is the worst as far as people cheating which I think is worse than almost anything else, I mean come on is a game of deathmatch so important to you that you have to download a mod that aims for you? Even in a game as laid back as WOW it seems that there are at least 10:1 of rude/unhelpful people as there are courtesy people. Ask a question in trade that is obvious to someone that reads forums, crunches numbers, and has played the game everyday for the past the 3 years but that is a legitimate question especially for someone new to the game and read the **** that people say. And in PVP there are always people that are flat out rude and abusive the entire match especially when we are losing. There are alot of younger kids that play the game and truthfully I wouldn't want my kid abused the way some people do others, especially when they are just looking for help and really enjoy just playing the game. I could go into detail about ganking and camping but thats a whole other subject.

 

That's not exactly true. There are some out to get a higher score than you, and there are those there who enjoy helping people out and working as a team.

Well since you didn't state the game type your playing, I'm assuming it's an FPS like Counter strike or something similar. Yes, let's all stop the game and wait an hour while another person sits there in their spawn doing nothing.. 31 people aren't going to pause a game because someone is confused.. Especially in an FPS, you see an enemy, and you shoot, you don't wait to see if he "might" shoot at you first.

There are a few differen't tactics in FPS gaming. Some people decide to camp in a corner, or behind something, if you expect everyone to just run right at you so you can get an easier shot then mabe you should uninstall..

Instead of whining about how terrible you are, mabe change your tactics? There's an easy way to deal with campers, most of the time they camp to make up for thier lack of skill, that's not a bad thing, they're just doing what they are best at, you just counter act that with a speedy attack. If this were CS:S and someone was camping with a sniper, you don't counter act with another sniper unless you're insanely fast, or they're just really bad, you use an SMG or pistol and strafe side to side while shooting in bursts so your shots are accurate. Run at them very fast and they won't have a chance.

Lastly, it depends on the game, but most of the time online gamers do have honor, they will help out, but you can't expect to go to war, and ask the enemy to wait for you...

 

I expect you are playing some sort of FPS and NOT Gummi Bears Hugs & Kisses
Off cource your going to get blasted away, thats the name of the game and in the heat of the game, most people don't get a chance to read what you write.
BUT some servers are better than other and specially if you play teambased modes like CTF or similar u will find people who are in it to play like a TEAM. Your opponent by the way wont care and will still shoot you in the face.....

swank

 

Can't watch youtube at work

 

LOL. I play CoD4 and Crysis Wars and many other shooters. And i will NEVER stop a game because someone didnt take the time to read the manual or train on they're own before coming out into the heat of war.

PC gaming is harsher than console gaming and thats harsh as it is. Do not play online games if you cant be as tough as the soldier your supposed to be.

Get into character and win the freaking game.

 

Practice makes perfect...
You can't expect everybody to play what you consider to be fair. The other players are also out for higher scores, and if you're just standing there, you're an easy target. If you're new to a game, play single player first. It really does help.
And as for rudeness, that's unfortunately a fact of life in the online world. Just check the forums, or read a strategy guide online or something like that

 

To the original poster,

If you get pissed off and take things like this personally, you have a problem. There is a whole world out there, go explore it. Hey, chat up some nice girls and get laid before you end up like this.

 

He's mentioned how he learned a valuable lesson, I don't see him as someone getting defensive over things like this. Maybe you'd probably be about the same if you only started online gaming recently...

I think for once I'm glad I can't view YT links at work, from what I imagine that link contains lol

 

I understand what the original poster is saying, and I chose the option everyone is suggesting...

I quit online gaming, and happily march on with single player...and when I feel the need to be social, I either turn the computer/console off or I put in Buzz! or Guitar Hero for the PS2 or Mario Karts or Soccer on the Gamecube and have friends/family over...if I feel the need to be competitive, I go play basketball (and there are some characters there, too...I can't imagine what they would be like in an anonymous online game setting) or raquetball...

I started multiplayer PC gaming with Doom on a serial connection and then Warcraft 2 and then Duke Nukem 3D...it was always with a friend and sometimes, we'd get really angry ('Stop picking up the invisibility or the 200% health all the time and play like a man')...when you know the map really well or you get the upper hand, it's hard for the other person to catch up...

Then it was Descent over the Internet via Kali...I was a halfway decent Descent player (it took a whole new mindset because you could attack from above or below and some people never figured it out), but many people took advantage of laggy (in the days before DSL/cable was common) connections so I quit that...

Then there was Diablo and that was the game that turned me off from online gaming...on battle.net, you could choose, in the game, to play cooperatively (a lot of fun) or you could choose to do the rudimentary PvP (not very well implemented in Diablo but you earned an ear if you killed the other player)...my multiplayer Sorcerer was mid-level but I had some high level equipment that allowed me to go places where I shouldn't have been without it...a guy joins in and comes down and finds me fighting a bunch of crap in the lower levels, hides until the combat is over and then comes out and kills me...he gets my ear...I laugh...'Ha ha...funny, funny...now help me get my stuff back...' And the other guy drops out saying some smart remark like 'Bumhole Clan strikes again...' I spent the next hour in complete frustration trying to get my stuff back over and over (if he didn't take any of it) only to die over and over...until finally I had to turn it off (real life called) and lose the stuff permanently...

The only time I did online gaming since was playing Madden (which I was good at, but then came across people who would walk away from their controllers as soon as they were down two scores and just take delay of game penalties on offense and get shredded on defense to avoid quitting and hoping I would quit first...where's the fun in that? Would you really let your friend on the couch do that? I didn't have a perfect record and wasn't interested in having one...just wanted to have fun...and that's where I disagree with one of the posters... I don't play to win...I play to have fun...the playing to win is what causes all the cheating and obnoxious behavior...actually some of the obnoxious behavior probably stems from the online age demographic...it's more fun to win than to lose, but the fun is in the playing for me) and a brief stint on WoW to see what all the fuss was about...

Now, I'm back to Dead Space and Fallout 3 and Buzz! and Guitar Hero...

PS. And my six-year old loves to play Smash Bros. on the Gamecube with me...it's gotten to the point where he beats me probably 75% of the time (and I'm trying)...yesterday, after beating me (3) times straight, he picked the wrong character and I was drumming him, and he threw a temper tantrum...off went the Gamecube and it won't get turned on again for a couple of days...couldn't stand that behavior online...won't tolerate it at home and maybe he'll be a courteous online gamer yet...

 

lol i dont know which is more insulting, being blasted behind while "figuring something out" or being blasted after figuring things out and the guy was just waiting for you to move xD haha.

i dont really give a **** about how the other player feels hey your on the other side of the world and i just want to have fun fragging. hey it wasnt easy at first i got owned pretty bad on CoD4 and CSS when i was just starting. but persistence and anger really makes you a better player online.

seriously i wouldnt be surprised after playing a few more games you will just be as mean as the rest of us. its just a game

 

WATCH THE LANGUGE 2 BANS have been dished out due to this thread. ANY MORE trouble and the thread will be closed

 

I 2nd that..

I also really hate these kinds of steriotypes. It's some kind of assumption that PC gamers are all like the reports you hear about WoW gamers, or the classic 1980's nerd. There are probebly some on here who fit that steriotype, but then your also talking to gamers who do have girl friends, who do enjoy other things, but also enjoy gaming.

Some people have jobs, live in packed cities, have nagging girl friends, and want a cheap get away, and what's wrong with that? What, because for the few hours your gaming your actually enjoying your self? To hell what other people think. You shouldn't live your life waiting for the approval of other people. I also don't get this facination people have with telling other people to "get laid". I'm willing to bet there's a few people here on wellfare with 7 kids sitting at home gaming, they got laid, does that make them a more cool... better person?

Wishmaker, I as well enjoy those things, but the fact is that you don't do this every day. Go out on a drive to nowhere with some friends on a day off, not the everyday thing here. The thing the average non-gamer would do on a weekday is just text on thier cellphone, watching youtube, getting drunk or high, or on myspace/facebook for the ENTIRE time they aren't at school or work. That is the social thing to do these days. That's what most consider hanging out with friends these days. I have many friends who are like this, it's not what I choose to do with my time.

Do what you enjoy doing, and don't let other people tell you otherwise unless it directly effects thier life as well.

[EDIT] This thread is pretty pointless isn't it?

 

I wholeheartedly agree with that.

I game in the evenings because of the way things are going in my life right now and it's a big hobby for me.
I've done highschool, college and university and have a good steady job going for me, so I can afford to dish out a little each month to play a game I enjoy and I now have the time to without worrying about studying to secure a job.

I don't really see why people use things like Wishmaker stated as a mark of success either. It's too black and white the way he put it, sure it makes sense if you look at the stereotypes but everyone's different and they enjoy different things.

Do what you want to do, don't excess, keep your priorities sensible, don't get caught up and if you can manage that I see nothing wrong with gaming being a big part of your life.

Eh... is there really much left to discuss in this thread...


Edit: I'd say it's pretty pointless now considering what's resulted...

 

this thread is pointless please close it

 

True, not doubt but percentage wise, which side of the spectrum dominates? As I previously stated, this topic intrigued me.

This goes back to my first paragraph.

I agree on that one. Regarding to what people do nowadays, blame the media and other brainwashing mediums. What happened to the good old days when people would actually read a book, visit places, hang out in a cafe without getting drunk to the point an ambulance is needed??

In any case, i've many friends who are hardcore gamers. They play WOW, Diablo, HL2, etc. When I see they pass out a lovely Sunday afternoon with their fiances just to sit in front of the computer ...


P.S: About the whole get laid thing....it is an example often used because when someone has problems integrating in society, they seek shelter in this virtual one becoming more and more anti-social.

P.S.2: I have no problems debating this issue as long as we act like human beings and don't bash one another.

 

I much as I agreed with you on the subject, I am going to take this discussion into another direction. It should be obvious that joining a live game means you will be shot at/killed, if you chose to look at a menu during a game, then you need to take a couple deaths for it. No one has a obligation to stop shooting just because you opened a menu, your friend had because well, they are your friends......

Plus, on games like Counter Strike, people wanted the game to continue, have the rounds end fast, a simple "Don't shoot me, I am trying to figure out how to play the game", just doesn't go well against the agitated people who are impatient and just want the next round to start so they can play again.

Lastly, does it really matter if you die a couple times....as many has stated above me, gaming is a form of leisure activity and entertainment, don't make it a stressful competition....

 

Hmm, you're right, I understand what you're saying better now, hopefully my previous posts didn't sound scornful or anything, it's not only online games that can bring out the worst in people

That's true, didn't think of that one. Still, it's mostly about the players getting those hard earned and not quite so hard earned frags lol

/thread

 

Yeah. It's so serious that should I ever die in an online competition I will shoot myself in the head with my own pistol in REAL LIFE. That's how serious online gaming is. For realz. You should learn!

 

People protected by anonimity can be asses. Film at eleven.

I guess you're not only new to online gaming, but also to webforuns, e-mail groups, etc. People in the innernets are asses many times. Get over it.

Concentrate in improving your skills, to detect said asses, avoid them, and to find the right group for you. That's it.

 

Gamers waste a "lovely Sunday afternoon with their fiances just to sit in front of the computer"...

Doesn't seem insulting?

 

i hate it when people ask everyone not to kill them, once they say that i go out and look for them. if your trying to figure things out then just start your own game and run around for a while and do what you want, but don't get mad when you die while typing, going through the menu or something else, just respawn and keep playing.

People will always camp in games, i do. But i like to camp only for a few kills and then get out and maybe find new spots.

 

Depends on the game. Typically, the more popular it is, the more 'diverse' the base. I haven't run in to that much trouble on pc, though I don't play online much anyway.

 

I usually only play FPS like CoD4 online. Yeah, I run (and shoot) some real jerks most of the time. But I barely speak/chat (except for the complimentary "gg"), and let people just run their mouths and talk trash. They run out of steam eventually.

MMO/RPGs are a mixed bag, people are either very polite and courteous, or very rude with terrible grammar.

 

This only gets me a bit cheesed off when its a round based game like CSS, but if its TDM in say COD4 I'll just respawn in a few seconds anyways so no worries. Plus even if I do get killed when I'm typing or something I don't care that much...its internet gaming deal with it.

 

Meh i've bumped myself on lots of different personalities while gaming.
Thing is, you'll have to do that.
Just... crap...
Enjoy it.

No wonder the game packaging for games that are online say "game experience may change during online play".

ofc thats true, it can, and it will. why?

because_it_is_the_internet.mp3.

it is a community that ranges from jerks to cute princesses, from hard woodcutters to lame killstealers...
thats it!
but, thats why we game? because we fit somewhere in that range...

Enjoy your online games, gentlemen, and be sure to post your experiences!

 

just have fun man, thats what gaming is about! dont bother abt this stuff, play ,win ,frag ppl

 

This thread is basically useless and is full of crap/useless/inflammatory posts and has led to ANOTHER infraction

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