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    Overclock of Asus A8JS, Geforce 7700 Go 512MB

    Discussion in 'Gaming (Software and Graphics Cards)' started by Boniant, Jan 3, 2007.

  1. Boniant

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    Since there isn't really much info about the Geforce Go 7700, I decided to post my results I got in my 3dmark05.

    But first of all, here are my laptop specs:
    Asus A8JS 14inch Notebook at 1440x900 nativ res
    Intel Core 2 Duo T7200 2.0Ghz
    100GB 5400RPM HDD
    1024MB RAM
    Nvidia GeForce Go 7700 512MB

    After installing some games (50GB in first day XD) I decided I wanted to benchmark it. So, I downloaded 3dmark05 and ran it.

    My initial score was 4293 in 3dmark05, and the temperature was around 65-70 degrees celsius when stressed (I was surprised it ran this high on stock settings, but the laptops fans were still nearly whisper quiet).

    I was curious though, so I decided to overclock it. I went into the registry to enable coolbits, then tweaked around.

    I ended up raising the core clock speed from 450Mhz to 520Mhz, and the memory clock speed from 400Mhz to 460Mhz. I am sure I could go a bit higher, but 530Mhz core speed gave me artifacts, and 475 memory speed gave me artifacts. So I just dropped the Mhz a bit and it seems like it is pretty stable so far. The temperature is still the same as the stock settings (I was amazed) and the laptop still operates very quietly. Although, it goes from idle temperature to the stressed temperature much faster than with the stock settings.

    And now for the 3dmark05 score I got:
    4932

    I was VERY happy, since this rivals stock settings of the 7600GT go, and is a pretty nice increase overall (about 15%).
    However, the temperature running in the 70 degrees celsius range kind of spooked me, so I bought a cooling pad and it seems to run at about 5 celsius less, and takes longer for it to go from 50 celsius (idle) to the 65-70 celsius (stressed).


    Summary:
    Went from 3dmark05 score of 4293 to 4932.
    Core clock speed from 450Mhz to 520Mhz.
    Memory clock speed from 400Mhz to 460Mhz.
    Temperature stays about the same as it was with stock speeds.
     
  2. moon angel

    moon angel Notebook Virtuoso NBR Reviewer

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    Which temperature? Cpu or gpu? If it's cpu I really wouldn't worry as a lot of Core Duo users post stress temps of mid 80s C. If gpu again I wouldn't worry as (I think) graphics cards can take a lot higher temperatures than cpus can.
     
  3. stamar

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    my overclock 05 scores are in my signature.

    The ram goes all the way to 497 05 score around 5100

    temperature doesnt go up much at all
     
  4. Boniant

    Boniant Newbie

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    Sorry I forgot to mention, it's the GPU temp.

    I haven't gone higher than those speeds since I got my cooling pad, so maybe I should try going a bit higher.

    But, 75 degrees celsius seems to give me artifacts in CS Source (purple fingernails XD) so I think it is pretty good where it's at. After all, a 15% boost ain't bad. :p
     
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    I'd agree, that's a great score in 3dmark05. I don't think you should be worried about 70 degrees C for gou temp, but I guess keep an eye on it. Congrats on the gorgeous new laptop! I can only hope they are available here when I get my next machine as that's exactly the kind of thing I'll want!
     
  6. Boniant

    Boniant Newbie

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    Yay another 7700 user.
    I couldnt find much of any info, but I guess I didnt look hard enough :p.
    Thanks a lot for the info, now I am gonna go raise it some more :D.

    And is it stable at that speed? No artifacts after a few hours of gaming?

    And yes, the temperature in this laptop is nice. All I noticed, like I said, was the increase in speed that the temperature goes up, but not a big increase in temperature.
     
  7. Boniant

    Boniant Newbie

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    I love it.
    And the best thing is, it's very portable. At least, compared to my old laptop (A70-RX1).
    And, it is a pretty good price too, compared to most laptops out there (dell is a little cheaper though with coupons).
     
  8. stamar

    stamar Notebook Prophet

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    My machine is goes to 497 which is actually the highest ive heard of.

    If I go to 499 it has huge artifacts all over. 497 stable as can be.

    This is supposed to be 500 ram so I believe someone out there is going to get one with ram that goes higher than mine. But I bet that person is going to buy one thats newer down the road.

    getting the core over 500 doesnt help too much either so going like 500 /497 is the highest score.

    my gpu has never been over 78 degrees overclocked with no cooling at all.

    I dont overclock to play games though btw I just ran the tests when my machine was new
     
  9. moon angel

    moon angel Notebook Virtuoso NBR Reviewer

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    How much did you pay for it? I'd like to compare US/UK prices on other models and try to find out what I might pay for one!
     
  10. Boniant

    Boniant Newbie

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    I paid $1799 Canadian for it, which is a little pricey but well worth it for everything it has :D.


    And thanks stamar, I put the clock speeds at 510/480 for now, and am going to play some games to see how it runs over time. Although, coolbits won't let me go over 485Mhz memory speed. Did you use coolbits, or a different program?
     
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    Core clocked higher usually gives better scores then memory overclocked. Boniant i'd run more at 522/460 or so if i were you. I'd be curious to see a few more scores :)

    Anyway thanks a lot for posting the scores, i was curious.
     
  12. stamar

    stamar Notebook Prophet

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    I used coolbits

    but powerstrip will go around the test part. I used both.

    saw no improvement taking the core speed to 520
     
  13. Boniant

    Boniant Newbie

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    Well I ran another bechmark at 510 core and 480 memory, and got a score of 5052.

    I just got oblivion though, so I would like to try that out for a little while to see how the GPU runs over time at these speeds.
     
  14. crappyGPU

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    sorry for an off-topic question, but i've posted this several times somewhere else and there's not any answer
    how do you guys monitor GPU temp?
    thanks and apologize again
     
  15. stamar

    stamar Notebook Prophet

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    everest or nhc

    i recomend everest.
     
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    i've downloaded Everest (takes half an hour), but i can't see anything in the GPU section. Nothing about GPU temp :(
    downloading systool now :(
     
  18. m477hew

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    I'm using ASUS probe, since my laptop's an asus g1

    I 2 have oc'd my 7700, but i'm taking it much slower than most...i've had it for about 3 days and i've oc'd it 476/423. Getting a 05 score of 4503. My card/cpu (in the G1 the heatsink is the same) dosnt get over 64 when running 3D05 or gaming
     
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    Ok new OC scores (GF 7700 w/ 512mb DDR2, entire system listed in sig)

    from 476/423 (05: 4504) to 486/432 and an 05 score of 4601 it jumped about 100 points for a 10/9mhz jump,
    (overclocked twice, once 5/4mhz and once 5/5mhz) a little at a time...keeping the ratio 9:8
     
  20. Elithx

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    I am seriously looking into purchasing the A8js (or possibly the new a8jr), and would be interested in knowing a few things about overclocking:

    1. would damage occur from long periods of use while overclocked (3-5 hours a day :p)

    2. what are the actual gains from overclocking in games. If possible, an fps comparison with different games ( overclocked and stock)
     
  21. link1313

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    Probably better to have it overclocked just for gaming. If you feel the game isn't running fast enough then overclocking to get a couple more FPS might be worth it.
     
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    fabarati Frorum Obfuscator

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    i got about 3 or 4 more fps in oblivion, when outside, set at high, no aa or af, 1440x900, just making it playable. but you might get better or worse result depending on how good your card can overclock... Stamars card is a much better overclocker than mine for example.
     
  23. Elithx

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    @ link1313

    Ya I wont have it overclocked for anything other than gaming. I haven't used any overclocking programs but I'm assuming that you can set up profiles for specific programs (ie games) so that when you open that program the gpu will overclock automatically.

    @fabarati

    That's not a huge amount but enough to notice a slight difference. What speeds are you overclocking it to?
     
  24. mugen

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    Open it up and check the thermal paste on the heatsink and video card, if you can access the latter without too much difficulty. The CPU in my W2P was idling at 50c and 70c at full load because the thermal paste Asus had applied was dry and almost useless. After putting some AS5 on the heatsink, the temperatures have dropped to 45/60 - not a massive improvement, but still worth doing.
     
  25. stamar

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    The fps difference is going to depend on the game itself.

    It could literally be nothing it could be 20 fps.

    If the speed problem is the gpu speed it can make a big difference.

    You can see the 3dmark speed difference, especially in the 06 test. it goes from 2600 to 3100 overclocked. The mhz change isnt even that big i mean going from 450/400 to 500/480 isnt even that drastic,

    but some of the tests are bottlenecked by the gpu speed, the cpu is a monster and if you can give it more it gets fast.

    So a game can realistically be 150% fps, or like going from 30 to 45
     
  26. fabarati

    fabarati Frorum Obfuscator

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    Core: 510, Memory: 445. If i push my memoy clock just a little more, i get massive artifacting, not good. while i could probably push my core clock a little higher, it's stable where it is, so all is good.
     
  27. stamar

    stamar Notebook Prophet

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    where and when did you buy your machine?

    When you go to device manager 7700 go and properties
    PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0397&SUBSYS_14421043&REV_A1\4&2D404BB6&0&0008


    is that whats in the box?

    We have some sort of difference in ram speed which isnt unusual because they use all kinds

    normally though the newer one goes higher

    I have 500 speed ram and you have 450
     
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    fabarati Frorum Obfuscator

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    Yup, that's what's in the box. As you said, this happens because of the different ram they use. I bought it from a local vendor here in sweden and I got it about 2 weeks ago.
     
  29. stamar

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    this is interesting

    so in cool bits when you do set to optimal what comes up,

    same question to you matthew?


    for me it goes 494/487

    It seems to me the newest 7700 is using 450 ram.

    The other na owners who got theirs around the same time I did which was the beggining of november all had the same scores as I did.

    Im actually suprised this is the first time I read about the g1 overclocking.

    I always assumed it was the same as mine.
     
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    actually, i use Atitool, which both finds a max core or memory clock, and tests it for longer than the few seconds cool bits did. the artifacting doesn't necesseraly start with in the the first few minutes, so i used it's built in scan for artifacts... and let it run for a while to see if it was stable. but it gave me higher clocks than cool bits anyway. Cool bits give me 461/433.
     
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    Something i also just discovered to be true (i kinda knew earlier, but hadn't tried): depending on your drivers, you will overclok differently. I just installed forceware 97.44. i get lower 3dmark06 score (by about a 100 points), but so far i've been able to overclock my memory core 10 MHz, from 445 ro 455. gonna finish running som tests and do a benchmark
     
  32. Dyingduck

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    Well, to contribute some data about the 7700.
    I use the "detect Optimal Frequency," and the notebook spits out 455/421 which is substantially lower than those reported numbers, above.

    I have the G1. And, I would like to OC for strictly gaming purpose. Could anyone describe to me the range for OC so I will not roast my notebook? From what I have read, isn't OC at oc521/497 a bit too much for long time uses? Is there any side-effect at this speed?

    Also, is there a difference between the A8jS vs. the G1 in term of OC capability? Like, perhaps, since the G1 is bigger, it can handle more?
     
  33. stamar

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    um

    You can look at the gpu temperatures.

    When I overclocked It never got too hot even for hours.

    It seems the ram in yours goes 50 mhz lower than mine so you wont be able to get it over 450.

    I definitely cant imagine it getting hot at maximum in the g1
     
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    My "detect optimal frequency" was quite low as well, though highar than yours, but i used atittool instead and got to my present clocks. the thing about atitool is that you can find your maximum core/memory clocks, which are quite a bit higher then the "optimal" ones

    the critical zone is like 110C, and i haven't gone over 75C, so there should be no damage.

    The g1 might be a bit better if it has a better fan (which i know nothing about), but the cards themselves should be the same.
     
  35. stamar

    stamar Notebook Prophet

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    I wish I had more data on which a8js or g1s have ram that goes to 500 mhz. The vendor id on the card is exactly the same
    All the ones who got theirs early like me went to 500

    Im not really sure how much difference it makes but going on fabarti its 100 06 3dmarks
     
  36. Dyingduck

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    Does RAM/Screen resolution affect how 3dmark behaves?
     
  37. fabarati

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    screen resolution yes: if your screen can't display the full 1280x1024, it will use the resolution closest to it. on my a8js it's 1280x800 (screen is 1440x900). don't know about ram, but i just got my second gb of ram, so i'll be testing. i've also updated my drivers, which gave me a performance decreas, but allowed me to OC higher than earlier
     
  38. stamar

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    no difference in the 06 score with the 2gb ram.
     
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    whats version/driver are you using for your 7700?
     
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    i thought i was using 97.44, which are the worse ones, but it turned out i reverted back to the stockdrivers (86.02), while keeping the new interface and better OC ability.
     
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    Speaking of the driver for the g1 7700, which is the most recommended driver version? Um, is the stock one the best one (86.02)?
     
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    What's the best way to overclock? I'm confused on the different methods. Is it using a certain program? Drivers?
     
  43. chezpuff

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    the A8JS is a fantastic system, i wish ASUS would create an 8000 Series nVidia card upgrade for the A8jS, i highly doubt they will but it would be amazing.
     
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    the best way to overclock is via the nvidia control panel, but for some reason it only seems to stick sometimes. the other possibility is a nvidia bios modifier which i was thinking of doing. something like they did with the Dell 9400 & M1710, create a bootable cd with Nvflash on it

    Nvflash is a 3dcard bios reader,writer it can create backups of your nVidia cards bios and can also write a new bios to the card. The bios stores info like the clock and ram speed and other factors as well. The Dell crowd figured out they could apply the 7900GTX bios to their 7900GS's anyone with an Inspiron 9400 with a 7900GS could flash their card to a GTX And get XPS M1710 speed for cheap. This also allowed them to overclock the cards and bypass the lock that Dell put on the cards. So someone could make a bootable cd with nvflash on it, download their bios, boot into windows use a bios editor, add an extra few mhz to the ram and GPU, then burn another cd with Nvflash and copy the bios to your card. Sounds complicated and tedious huh?

    So some kind individual made a cd with a TON of 7900GS and 7900GTX bios's each one had different clock settings and was labeled. So you 400V500.rom, 405V500.rom, 405V505.rom, 410V505.rom etc..... each file was an increase of 5mhz over the other one so you could easily boot into dos with the bootable cd, apply a slightly higher mhz bios to your card, test it then go higher.

    If someone could start me off with one 7700 bios i would go from there.
     
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    This thread is a little bit old, but not uninteressting for all A8Js user (like me). So I want to share my oc-experience with you, too.

    A few days ago the CrySis-demo was released and cames with a nice timedemo-gpu-benchmark.

    My system is now overclockt to 475.20 Mhz (gpu) and 477.0 Mhz (memory) and the gpus temperature raises to 73 degree celsius when stressed.
    I've got an average fps-value of 18.05 fps on middle-settings in 1024x640.

    Facts:
    - A8Js Notebook
    - Windows XP 64 bit Edition
    - Forceware 169.04 beta 64 bit
    - Rivatuner 2.06 for graphiccard-oc
    - RMClock with MaxPerformance profile for Core2Duo-config
    - CrySis Beta: GPU-Benchmark 64bit-version at 18.05 fps
    - CrySis Beta: Middle-settings @ 1024x640
     
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    What's up guys.

    Since I know how tough it is to get info about this video card, I just wanted to share which setup worked best for me.

    I use ATI tool to overclock. As for my video driver, I use Extreme-G MobileForce. You can't go wrong with this driver. It will boost your video card's performance by a lot.

    Since this is my first post I don't know how the resizing works for picture but here's my benchmark for 3DMARK06. OC'd at 523/501

    http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff294/Wasap1/bench06.jpg

    Let me know how it goes!
    Lates!
     

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    Hooooooly ****, you get a stable OC on 523/501? did you run the Atitool "scan for artifacts"
     
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    Here dude.

    http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff294/Wasap1/artifacts.jpg

    I know I should run it longer but the dude has got to sleep. heh
    30 minutes is alright so at least you get the idea I don't get those instant artifacts if you know what I mean.

    I don't usually keep it OC'd this way since it's the max for my card and the last thing I wanna do is fry it. 75ish isn't so bad but under a lot of stress it might jump way higher. However, when I was running 3DMARK06 isn't so bad since it only jumped to 79, if I remember correctly. I don't know how much higher if I keep it OC'd and under stress for a long time. I'll let you know if I find out something else.
     
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    You're evil. I can't get better than 505/450.
     
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    I don't much about this but as far as i understand...

    @ Ati Tools
    Find Max Core
    Find Max Mem

    Set both and find artifacts? :x

    I ain't really interested in burning this up so i am a bit afraid :x

    So i started testing
    Find Max Core went till 565 and went blue screen :p
    Find Max Mem went till 521 and started getting massive artifacts

    Question is. After setting a Core/Mem Value how long do i have to scan for artifacts till i know it's fine?

    Default Core/Memory values i get 4285 @ 3dmark05
    4802 @ 505/450
    4973 @ 500/485
     
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