Overclocking Mobility HD3650 Mini Guide

Many people private messaged me on how to overclock this card for the Asus m50 laptop, if any other laptop has this gpu, it should still apply. Well now its possible. This card was not overclockable for some reason and would crash instantly even if clocked 1mhz above the native clock. This guide is sloppy and confusing, but will work for now till atitool is updated.
Basically what you have to do is download mobility modder from driverheaven and follow the instructions. You want Catalyst 8.5. Anything below wont overclock for some reason.
Here are the instructions and links for all you will need in the above paragraph.

http://www.driverheaven.net/modtool.php


Also, the drivers from you notebook company wont work. Next download the LATEST version of atitool.

Atitool 0.27 Beta 4: http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4109.html
the date is from 2007, which is why we have bad support for the hd3650, next beta should help.


Now here is the tricky part.

Whatever you adjust the speed to, it will for some reason just downclock the card. Remember ati tool will find the core and memory speeds of this gpu to be 298/198.....which pumped is 600/800. So if you increase the clock from 300 to 320( which is really 600 to 640) in atitool, it will cut the speed in half to 160which is no good, im not sure if this is how atitool works. Anyways, set the core clock to anything higher than 600 in atitool to start overclocking. if you set it to 660, the clocks will downclock to 330(remember atitool is messed up), and 330 is essentially 660, mutliply it by two. Its weird it works like this but trust me. You want to set the clock of the core and memory AT THE SAME TIME..remember if you leave the memory stock but the core at your overclock, the memory will downclock by half and crash the card.

Its confusing i know...but ati tool will have stock core clock at 300(really 600), then set the slider all the way up to 660..after you hit apply it will show up in ati tool as 330, mutliply by 2 and thats your core clock. Just remember for the core clock, whatever atitool shows, multiply by 2, and for whatever atitool shows for memory, multiply by 4, and you will know what your running then. Whatever you have set in atitool slider, will divide by 2, so make sure you set the slider to 600+ core and 400+ memory so it doesnt downclock your gpu. If the slider reads 300/200 in ati tool and you hit set, it will go down to 150/100, which is too low. The best stable overclock i could get was about 330/225 in atitool..which is 660/900. Hope i didnt confuse anyone too bad. My vista score shot up after overclocking and my 3dmark06 score went up about 800 points.

 

That was a tad confusing but what i got out of it was

Core clock in atitool = half of real clock

and memory clock in atitool = 1/4 of the real clock

and you need to OC them together in atitool.

I think that's what you're trying to get across?

 

yea and the fact that even though it rperesents half the core clock, you still need to push the slider in atitool up to 660, for example, because it will then suddenly go down in ati tool from 660 to 330, which is then 660mhz real. Its kinda messed up. Same goes for the memory, set it to 450, so then it downclocks in ati tool to 225, and times four gives you a clock of 900 mhz...100 mhz overclock from the stock 800mhz

 

sweet, i was honestly about to message you in a few days lol. what are the temperatures like? since pretty much all of us have the asus m50 i think we can talk about that in this thread... i was worried that overclocking woulnd't work too well since the fan never goes very fast, its great that its quiet, but it just doesn't move air all that fast. i'll have to try some oc'ing if the temps aren't bad.

 

Currently, there isnt a way to monitor the temps of the hd 3650 gpu, i am working on finding a way right now however. Atitool, and atitraytools also didnt detect a temp for the gpu. The laptop runs very cool and the fan does a good job at keeping it cool, as silent as it is.

EDIT: speedfan did not detect a sensor for the gpu, it only detected the harddriver, cpu, and what i believe to be the chipset temps. Looks like ill need to use a temp probe for the gpu....so far overclocked though, the notebook hasnt felt hotter and the fan hasnt had to kick in to 100%

edit again: everest also didnt detect a gpu sensor, but i have been gaming with the overclock and nothing has felt warmer. So far the only senors detected are cpu, HDD, chipset...all of which are in perfect check with the OC, and being the gpu shared the same cooling heatsink, no rise in temps have been noticed yet, meaning thr card is running about the same temps as stock with the overclock. No voltages were increased for the gpu so temps should sky-rocket, this is all stock voltages.

 

Nice review, + REP

 

Thanks brainer. The sensor on the gpu doesnt look good, i dont think they built one in for us. Anothere thing to note is that powerstripe may seem to overclock this gpu, by reporting the overclock it sets, but it really isnt, so dont be tricked lol. The only way is the sloppy atitool way

 

+1 rep thanks for all the hard work in figuring out all the background stuff for this machine....it's been a big help in deciding which one to buy...

 

Try out HWMonitor for temp monitoring. Also, check out AMD GPU Clock Tool (latest is .7 I think (not sure if it supports the 3xxx series though)) for both OCing and temp monitoring. However, I had some problems trying to OC using this since most of the time it locked up, that's just why I use ATI Tool .27 b4.
PS. You could also try out ATI Tray Tools since there was a new beta version released last month I think (fixed the problem of my BSODing when closing it).

 

HW monitor and ati gpu clock does not work, i tried these a while ago with no luck

 

What about Tray Tools?

 

Ati tray tools also doesnt work, i tried everything

 

what are the 3dmark06 scores you get with the 3650 ?

 

stock i get around 3500, and overclocked around 4300. this is with pretty bad drivers, catalyst 8.6 should help when released. Also ive noticed 3dmark06 is better on nvidia cards, but have seen the hd3650 game better than the 9500m gs and some 8600m gt cards

 

yeah we are pretty much stuck with what we got as far as drivers go. i keep checking like every other day lol.

 

are you checking driver heaven for new catalysts or Asus? 8.6 will be coming out soon, and we just need to use mobility modder to use them on our laptops

 

Hi,
i've got quite the same specs than HaloGod2007's laptop.
I read some of your posts that are really interesting and i managed to change my cpu freq easily.

But i'm still stuck with the gpu overclock, i've got the last drivers modded with mobility modder but when i try to change the freq and press "set" it instantanely goes back to its default value. (i've made the test with atitool, ATT and i'm on vista x64).

It reminds me the same issue than nvidia drivers (some allows OC, some other don't) , any hint about how to fix this ?


Thanks

 

vista 64 drivers act differently with the OC settings, i recently changed from 32bit vista to 64bit and the overclock no longer works for me also, ill look more into it later today and see what i can come up with, its weird that the 32bit drivers work but not the 64bit drivers

 

Ok, i'll wait for your news
So far i tried with atitool and ati tray tools (with x64 drivers signing trick) on 2 versions : 8.51 and 8.52 (the beta one).
But nothing works, i still have the same issue.

 

(first sorry for double posting, but my previous post is quiet old).
I managed to overclock my HD3650 in Vista X64 SP1 using latest AMD GPU Clock tool
Works like a charm !

 

I'm trying this to, it also can read the temp
But it sets the clock speeds to gpu:110 mem:400mhz. A bit strange the gpu speeds seems low to me.

Edit:
While playing a game the gpu speed went up to 500mhz, so it looks oke.
To bad the 2d and 3d clock could be selected while changing the clock speeds.

 

Catalyst 8.7 was released just a few days ago, if that helps:
http://game.amd.com/us-en/drivers_catalyst.aspx?p=vista32/common-vista32

I was wondering, will this overclock have any adverse effect on battery life? I have the same exact notebook as HaloGod2007 and was considering attempting it (this is my first overclock by the way, so I just wanted to be sure). Thanks!

 

Maybe i'm too late to this... dead thread, but I have posssibly a sdumb question. I have never overclocked, but I am trying to with my M50 also. What did you use to get the CPU/RAM/MOBO to overclock? Also, everytime I try to overclock the GPU I get bsod... any ideas or help would be amazing...

 

i've installed cat 9.2 modded, installed atitool, but it doesn't load any graphic driver and i can't modify the values for oc.
what is wrong?

 

Did you use the beta of the mobility modder? The default version doesn't work with the 9.2. It doesn't modify the file correctly. And you can as far as I know overclock trough software on anything past the 8.10.

 

i use the version downloadable here:
http://www.driverheaven.net/modtool.php

so do you think i've to try to install 9.1 drivers modded?

 

Use the fix on this thread: http://www.driverheaven.net/driverheaven-tools-discussion/178628-possible-fix-9-2-later.html
It worked for me on the cat 9.2

 

atitool now find the vga and show the frequencies..but i can't modify them, because when i click on set, they return to default values.
I think i need to change the bios, right? or do you think it would be better and safe to downgrade the driver 9.2 to 8.6 or similar?

 

with atitool and cat8.10 i'm trying frequencies 330-274 for core and mem

are them too high?
i don't understand why on amd overdrive panel, on gpu monitor..i see 660 for gpu core (it's ok) and 549 for memory (274x2)

is it correct? memory wouldn't be 274x4?

on default freq amd overdrive says 600core-500mem on maximum level (high performance)
now is 660core-549mem

is it ok, ore are there something wrong with mem freq?

 

hd3650 overclocked with 660core and 549 memory (600-500standard)

increasing of 5-7 fps on nba2k9, but in 3dmark06 only 200 points more than before (3500-3700)
temperature never higher than 88°C

 

probably nobody read this thread anymore, but I got to 800mhz core with copper mod(replacing the thermal pad with copper) was running stock 680 @ 110c, now, 800mhz at 91c, 3dmark06 4880, testing it at 750mhz (stock 700)

this was an upgraded aspire 5920, as these models does not come with hd3650

 

If someone succeed with subj card for today drivers - please upload your BIOSes to techpowerup via gpu-z. As i see from other posts there ( example) the problem is in bios of vcard.
For my toshiba laptop no vcard bios updates (just other one simple bios) and my gpu-z has still bad results
Besides i have no possibility to check old methods - ATI do not support installers for Toshiba laptop and Toshiba itself has no drivers history - only latest are available.

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Sorry, there is no driver problem anymore. I've just overclocked my vcard with 8.8 drivers (=actual drivers to date of first post). What better versions of drivers to have?

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Yeah, 8.10 are last drivers with this possibility. But with them games are even slower. They do not worth that. Any ideas?

 

RBE is even better - no troubles anymore. For all:
1) Get your better core/mem values under 8.10 catalyst via gpu clock tool. Test them and remember.
2) Install now latest ati drivers and overclock in bios to new values via rbe. Flash new bios via winflash.
3) That's all. Temperature testing - via OSD in ATI Tray Tools or gpu-z. Both work for me in pretty way.

 

GPU-z gives me temps for my HD 3650. Did you try that?

 

It doesn't give you memory temps though. Potentially you can overclock your memory 100 Mhz, and you will be killing your card.

 

I'm not gonna overclock my card , its fine with the native clocks and i would like to squeeze out as much life from my laptop as i can

 

Yeah, and with the whole half clocks thing happening, it's not worth it for me.

I think that the next laptop to get I'll try my hand at it, but not with this one, since it doesn't have a memory temp diode.

 

memory for
ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3650
specification
is up to 700Mhz ( there). I overclocked to 600 MHz.
Or is it depend on memory module too?

 

I installed catalyst 9.12 and followed the guide because of the 50% clocks in ATITool, but it doesnt change the clocks at all.
Does anybody know why?

 

i have nearly an identical gpu to the 3650, ID say from experience with OC you can very safely run a over clock of 120 percent your gpu temps with rise about 3-4 c which is harmless considering i get temps from 50-90c and i know other laptops with the same card can get 40c underload, so it has alot to do with the laptop brand and the cooling system, but honestly its dangerous at around 110c, BSOD will come up and computer simply shuts down too cool off, I have had that problem after applying thermal paste incorrectly.

shadow you should at least overclock it say 100 mhz andto be on the safe side all you need to do is minimize the game for about 2 min while fans are kicked on and you wont risk damaging your card at all, kinda like ultra safe method. just minimize after like 40 min of gameplay so that it doesnt keep getting hotter. and you will see a jump in smoothness of most games by quite a bit. kinda like crysis.

in crysis without an overclock and my gamer level 4 i get like 15fps with an overclock i get about 25fps

 

Sounds about right. I'll give, I just need to download some new drivers.

Just a question though - does Mobility Modder work with Windows 7? I suppose it would pretty much be the same a Vista.

 

okay so im lost i got a dell 1737 with a radeon 3650 but it says the default clock speeds are 450/500 or it shows up as 222/247 in ati tool and no matter how i slide it they just slide back is there anyway u can help me with that? am i just missing something?

 

You might want to try GPUTool or MSIAfterburner for overclocking. Personally I find GPUTool easier to use but MSIAfterburner got the better gui. By the way the graphic card you got is underclocked (default 600/500).

 

Yeah i know its underclocked thats why im so desperate to overclock it. i tried the atitool and it keeps snapping back i think i need to do the bios but i dont know how i just wanna overclock it too like a little over what it should be stock not underclocked as it is also i got 64bit win7 if that has anything to do with it i still couldnt get those to work are my vbios locked? or something if so howdo i fix? this driving me nuts i know this card can handle way more than it is stupid dell underclocking stuff =(

 

Why don't you give GPUTool or MSIAfterburner a try. I tried ati tray tool and AMD GPU Clock tool before and both gave me the same problem as yours. Also which version of the catalyst driver are you currently using?

P.S.
Your card might be underclocked for a reason. My Asus M50Sa Mobility HD3650 is also underclocked @ 600/400 and when I tried to overclock it to the default value (600/500), it gave me artifacts. I do however managed to overclocked it to a stable 700/450. The only downside to this is an increase of about 3-5 degree Celsius in temperature.

 

newest catalyst.... should i switch? i saw people say 8.5 and 8.10 i have 10.10 atm which do u suggest?

msi after burner get errors when i try to run them [afterburner :failed to initialize display driver

gputool worked like a charm thank you.You just ended my 2day non stop mission to get this card right does it always show up at 450/500 in catalyst?it is showing me clocked at 700mem/450gpu in gputool but 500memory 450core in catalyst.. i got


OS Name Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium
Version 6.1.7600 Build 7600
Other OS Description Not Available
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name name
System Manufacturer Dell Inc.
System Model Studio 1737
System Type x64-based PC
Processor Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU T4300 @ 2.10GHz, 2100 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 2 Logical Processor(s)
BIOS Version/Date Dell Inc. A07, 8/6/2009
SMBIOS Version 2.5
Windows Directory C:\Windows
System Directory C:\Windows\system32
Boot Device \Device\HarddiskVolume2
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "6.1.7600.16385"
User Name name
Time Zone narnia
Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 4.00 GB
Total Physical Memory 3.96 GB
Available Physical Memory 2.81 GB
Total Virtual Memory 9.33 GB
Available Virtual Memory 7.59 GB
Page File Space 5.37 GB
Page File C:\pagefile.sys
and the radeon 3650 catalyst 10.10


do i need diff catalyst? basicly now with gputool i can overclock it i belive cuz it shows it in gpu tool but not in catalyst however when i go to run gta4(reason im doing this) it black screens and freezes so i think i just gotta find right speeds to over clock it too and i think i gotta do what halo was saying with overclocking both at same intervals but im bad at math i dont really wanna overclock it alot i just wanna make it do what it can..dell has a big fan in this laptop and i am going to get a cooling pad eitherway my comp always super cool and i know this card can do more than dell has it doing it is making gta4 looking like garbage any suggestions on intervals to increase them at and try? or a speed to try wit my sys stuff or diff cata? ty very much for ur help so far i been bangen my head against wall for days to even get it to where i could alter it. now i just need to find the stable speed and honestly this is my first time trying to overclock anything i wanted to overclock my cpu awhile ago but didnt bother because it was runnen nice enuff anyways and i never had good enuff gpu to overclock untill now and if it wasnt already underclocked and running under what i know a 512 ati can run i would leave it alone so anyway.....how do i find a stable overclock speed to make this run right ?sorry for my stupidity heh im a bit novice i think my gpu bios are locked and when i overclock with gputool it makes it freeze....msiafterburner runs now with no errors but says maxed at 450/500 wont let me overclock..... what now? i can change it in gputool and it changes maxes in afterburner but games keep freezing and dropping....and gta4 is in square now not widescreen im so lost i can change now but this stability thing is beyond me

 

The reason the driver versions in this thread are so old, is because until you posted, the thread has been dead since Feburary. You're fine with the drivers you have.

 

Catalyst always show the factory default reading (in your case 450/500) even after you overclock it. Don't worry about it. Also to test for stability, install and run Furmark for at least 15-30 mins with your overclocked setting and monitor the temp and check for artifacts.


P.S
MSIAferburner does work. However you need to modify it first. Here is how it is done:-

1.) Open the MSIAfterburner.cfg with Notepad

2.) Change the "enable unofficial overclocking" Value of 0 to 1. Select "File" and select "Save".

Eventhough there are more options available in MSIAfterburner (ability to have the card overclocked during startup, etc) it is not as "smart" as GPUTool. For instance MSIAfterburner always overclocked the card even when playing 2D games (solitaire, freecell, etc) where else GPUTool only overclock the card when playing 3D games and immediately downclock it when you're done (assuming Powerplay is enabled in catalyst).

Also don't always use the "max" value for your overclocking purposes. For instance if your card max at 500 before artifact starts to appear, use a lower value like 475.

 

Does this method work on ati mobility 4650, that's what I have.

 

I have a friend using GPUTool on his Mobility Radeon 5650 without any problem. There are basically many overclocking tools out there like GPUTool, MSIAfterburner, ATI Tray Tools, AMD GPU Clock Tools, etc. Just give any one of these a shot.