P170EM AMD Radeon 7970M new games eg Dying Light

Hey guys!

Just wanted to ask is anyone running Dying Light on a similar graphic card/computer? How is it faring? I've been tempted to buy a new laptop but its only 2 years old so wouldn't mind holding off. I'm currently able to run Shadow of Mordor on medium/high settings but cant run games like Wolfenstein New Order. Would you guys recommend a new laptop for games like Dying Light, GTA 5, Evolve and Dragon Age Inquisition?

Thanks!

 

You'll be fine. W:TNO is a special case because it's an OpenGL game and AMD OpenGL drivers are absolutely terrible (remember RAGE).

 

Rage runs fine. I've heard that pirated copies of Wolfenstein: NO have built in Bitcoin miner though I'm not implying anything, just saying.

 

I've seen a couple steam users claim that AMD support sucks badly on Dying Light; but I don't know about anything else. You likely should be able to upgrade that same laptop to a GTX 980M with Prema's system BIOS, so that might be a benefit to you instead of having to buy a whole new machine.

Hope that helps if you find your 7970M is a little underperforming!

 

What are you insinuating?

Oh yeah, Dying Light is a GameWorks title.

 

Meh. It's beyond the state of "gameworks title". It's at the point where an FX-8350 and a R9 290 can't get above 25fps on minimum graphics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69fsTLJw4oQ

 

Good thing AMD takes the high road with Gaming Evolved. It could've given Nvidia a taste of its own medicine a long time ago.

 

I wish people'd optimize more for AMD even if they're using gameworks. At least AW worked fine on AMD for the most part, but I can't remember if that was a gameworks title or not.

 

The running joke is that AMD Gaming Evolved titles are well-optimized for both brands, while Nvidia GameWorks titles tend to run poorly in general, but are especially bad on AMD. Of course, it doesn't help that many recent GW games have been from Ubisoft.

Advanced Warfare wasn't GameWorks.

AnandTech | Gallery - GameWorks - Upcoming Games Fall 2014 - 8 Photos

NVIDIA GameWorks | GeForce

 

Titanfall, Assassin's Creed 4, CoD: Ghosts(apart from the tessellated dog fur) and Borderlands 2/TPS both worked just as fine on either card as far as I remember. I usually hear if a game runs like goat on a card because my 8350/R9 290 using friend makes noise at me if a game sucks for him and works for nVidia users. Didn't even know some of those were gameworks titles; apart from physX in borderlands.

But yeah, most of the gameworks titles appear to be Ubisoft or more lesser-known studios, and most of them that I remember sucking on PC optimization-wise were also heavily console first games. We'll see how Arkham Knight and stuff work later.

 

The Batman Arkham series...that's another one with a bit of a negative reputation. It was like the poster child for the evils of The Way It's Meant to be Played before that turned into GameWorks. I remember MSAA being locked out on ATi cards in Arkham Asylum unless you tricked the game into thinking you had an Nvidia GPU. And the terrible DX11 and PhysX performance and general unoptimization in Arkham City.

 

Arkham City on the whole ran like garbage. Arkham Origins and Arkham Asylum did not, to my knowledge.

 

7970m.
Only couple of the first moments, to see cpu/gpu ussage. Later with progress i'll put videos with more demanding part of the game.

edit:
I can describe what is happening outside of the training building like this:


gpu usage about 80%
fps about 17-25


So this is how game is looking when you are outside:
Dying Light v2

 

Think of your performance as a light, on that game it will become a dying one no matter the rig.

 

Will my P170EM with my 7970m be able to run Dragon Age Inquisition at decent settings? Like medium?

 

It should be able to do high too.. Just do a small OC using Saphire Trix..

 

OP, any idea why you can't run Wolfenstein on your 7970m? I played through it using a 7970m & i7-920xm, in my GX660r and it ran pretty well.
Although pretty mindless I loved the game and great musical score. Deffo need to play it on the hard levels other wise it's far too easy!

 

Yeah, I played it on high/ultra on full HD when I had my 7970M.. I had OCed my core to 925MHz and Memory to 1350MHz I believe and got 30-40fps..

 

I was insinuating that perhaps the OP has a Bitcoin miner infested copy of the game, hence his performance issues, that's all. I know you wouldn't.... Or would you?

 

You mean, besides demoing Ubisoft games? Nah.

 

That's perfectly understandable. Last Ubisoft game I bought was Far Cry 3. Its issues haven't been fixed up to this day. I will never pay a single $ for any game released by Ubisoft.

 

Same. My Uplay copies of FC3 and Blood Dragon sit there untouched while I completed the Jack Sparrow Edition a long time ago.

 

i test in hd 8970m ==> 15fps to 30fps GPU use 30% 50%
Test GTX 870m 40fps to 60fps use 99% gpu!!
the problem is outside of the building! Inside the training game runs well in hd 8970m

I changed the GPUs to see if it was neck and gave the same processor using GPU! and poor perfomace HD 8970m

AMD need to update the drives to resolve this problem

 

There was an update to Dying Light yesterday which made it work better on AMD GPU.. try it now..

 

So now the game looks like that Dying Light on 7970m(1.4 patch).
In my personal opinion performance increased a little. Compared to earlier versions, i saw a increase of fps at higher graphics settings. It gives the feeling that gameplay is smoother.
It is nice but i think it could go much better.

 

is the same thing, have not changed anything, remains the low use of gpu in hd 8970m

 

It is true that the gpu usage is low. But I felt smoother gameplay with higher graphics settings.
I believe that the specification of the laptop can also have an impact on overall results(720qm vs 3720qm).

 

i don't get why they have all the nvidia gameworks stuff turned on when they have an AMD card!

 

It's because your 8970M is being bottlenecked so badly by the i7-720QM. A first-gen i7 quad-core that runs at 1.73 GHz in games is disaster for a single-threaded game like Dying Light.

 

Because they want the eye candy? What Nvidia has done with GameWorks--purposely crippling performance on non-Nvidia GPUs--is unethical just like their #clockblock.

 

I just logged a session with my 7970M and 2960XM.

Textures High
Shadows & Flora Medium
Vsync On
View Distance 5-10%
Rest Off

Fps 30-60. Avg 39.
CPU at 3.4 GHz with dips to 800 MHz twice a minute. Temps 80 degrees.
GPU temps 70 degrees, usage 60%.

The cpu dips are strange but other than that the numbers suggest I should get better performance. I might try an oc on the gpu but not hoping for much.

 

What you need to do is OC the CPU (what's the point of an XM? ) You're clearly CPU-bound judging by your 60% GPU usage. Overclocking the GPU isn't gonna do squat for performance, just reduce your GPU usage at the same level of performance.

 

I runs gtx 870m in core i7 720 and 40fps to 60fps in 99% uses gpu ....

Sorry, CPU not problems

 

Sorry, am I missing something?

It says 720QM + 8970M and 4810MQ + 870M

Also AMD DX11 drivers have much higher CPU overhead than Nvidia drivers

 

YOU do not understand, I change notebooks video card, I took the gtx 870 msi GT70 and put the GX640 performance was great in the game, it was clear to me that the problem is with amd even that it can not work properly with this game.

 

Yeah sorry, I still don't understand

 

understand
2+2=4

Gx640 core i7 720qm + gtx 870m works 40 to 60fps = msi gt70 core i7 4810 + gtx 870m gpu uses 99%

Gx640 core i7 720qm + hd 8970m Works 15fps to 40 fps , gpu uses 30 50%


understand?????


I test gpu 870m in laptop gx640....

 

Could you enlighten us with a short gameplay of "...performance was great in the game..." on yours gx640 with 720qm and 870m Sir?
I would like to see how looks fps on 720qm/870m, with different graphics settings.

 

OK I get it now, you took the 870M out from your GT70 and put it into your GX640. Your English wasn't very clear at all.

Like I said, AMD DX11 driver has much higher CPU overhead, that's why it needs Mantle.

 

I know, I know Never got around to it with the P170HM flash and all, and now I don´t really care since I´m in the market for a new laptop all together.
And before you ask, the 2860QM was at the same price so might as well get the 2960XM and have an option to OC.

I´ll just lower some settings and be done with it, probably shadows and flora to Low.

 

What you need to lower is view distance as that has the single greatest effect on CPU usage and hence performance. Drag it all the way down to 0%.

And get an Nvidia GPU. AMD driver has too much CPU overhead.

 

Yep will lower it to 0%.

Look at both our signatures. That second part aint gonna happen unless they reverse it or AMDs next release is subpar (or takes too long..)

 

If Nvidia doesn't stop clockblocking and AMD isn't competitive either, sad to say I will be done with gaming notebooks

 

So you're going to write off notebook gaming because you can't wring an extra 10-15% performance out of it?

I think perhaps I just like gaming on my notebook and I can't relate to the OC or bust mentality.

 

40% extra performance due to overclocking in the case of my Y500, but yeah, I won't buy inferior AMD cards or be locked out of my own hardware with Nvidia.

 

sorry , problems in game , not cpu

Core i5 3570k
Dying Light on the R9 290 in 1080p 60FPS! Performance is great with around 60 FPS on average on the settings shown (COMBO of City and Rooftops). Of course and more importantly, in the city FPS drops to around 35 FPS on average, even down to 25 in busy areas*. More info coming soon along with the 7770 benchmark.
Right now, even after the 1.2.1 update the game has optimization problems. The update changed the view distance slider but it didn't change anything directly. The slider was modified, and as a result putting the view distance to highest is like putting the view distance to 50 before the update.

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R9 290 ! Core i5 3570k

I run Shadow of modor in core i7 720qm + HD 8970m and works fine 35 fps avg 1080p ultra! MSi gt70 run with 37fps avg ultra

 

Yes we know that Dying Light is Nvidia game, but i was just curious how it'll work on 1st gen i7(especially 720qm) and nvidia graphic card.

 

LOL you're proving my point. i5-3570K and i7-4790K are so much faster than i7-720QM, esp. when overclocked. Can you imagine how badly a 3rd or 4th gen i5/i7 @ 4.5 GHz would slaughter a first-gen i7 @ 1.73 GHz in a single-threaded CPU-bound game like Dying Light? That's like 3x CPU single-threaded performance increase!

And even this guy was dropping below 30 FPS. ROFL!

 

Another thing you can try to get your GPU usage and performance up is to disable Hyper-Threading. It's a long shot, though. This game is just horribly optimized on the CPU front.

 

lol ! R9 290 Desktop >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hd 8970m !

R9 290 external city runs 20fps!!! in core i5 3570k!! My desktop runs with gtx 670 40fps min fps!

PRoblems not! CPU!! and AMD DRIVES for GAME!

I runs HD 8970m in GT70 with core i7 4810qm now!! and fps 15fps min frames!!! sorry!!! PRoblems is AMD drives!!