PC Gaming VS XBox360/PS3

Hello guys !

I would like to have your opinion about games performance in laptops versus the latest technology in an Xbox 360 or a PS3. How does a laptop equipped with a 7700 + or X1700 +, compares to these new incredible games ? Take a look at Gear of War for example, or the upcoming game Lost planet on Xbox 360, with an incredible graphics that blew up my mind completely.

 

Ok, comparing console to PC gaming is not a good idea. They both work differently.

And yes, since consoles are solely optimized for gaming they get much more performance for the hardware they have.

Blah blah, search google, I don't feel like explaining.

 

So don't post then...

 

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=console+versus+pc+gaming&btnG=Search

 

I play comp games on my PC & XBOX 360 hooked to my TV @ 1080i - PC hooked up via DVI -> HDMI - the xbox360/ps3 graphics are def. better than my PC - BUT with VISTA coming out in a couple of weeks and support with DX10 (no ATI cards support DX10 yet, Nvidia Geforce 8 series does) I am looking forward to seeing the differences between DX10 PC gaming and XBOX360 gaming - I have seen previews for MS Flight Simulator for Vista & DX10 and I must say it looks AMAZING - so as of this moment my vote goes to the Gaming consoles, as that is what they are made for like described above -

 

ATI's DX10 GPU's are supposed to be better than Nvidia's rumor has it.

 

Well the deal with ATI vs Nvidia is this - ATI is made for detail, Nvidia is for Performance - Nvidia skips every 7th or 8th pixel of every frame and allows the other pixels to "blend" in so that load time and playtime is faster without much loss of detail, ATI loads ALL pixels of every frame so detail is better -

 

Um, no? Where did you read that rubbish?

It's not true. At all. (And currently, the 8800 has the best image quality of any card)

 

If you are referring to technical image quality, it's still going to be awhile before the PC exceeds the 360 and PS3, although at the moment high end hardware on certain games looks just as good.

To answer your question though, a Mobility X1700 or Go7700 is not going to produce results near to what your 360 will display, so don't be too disappointed

 

Jalf: this is true of the geforce 6 series and lower end geforce 7 series with lower pixel pipelines, i had researched it around the time of the x800 and early releases of geforce 7 - No this is not true of the geforce 8 series -
My mistake I should have noted that -

Also that is why I can't remember if it is ever 7th or 8th Pixel - I read it on mutiple sites a couple years back, and discussed it with mutiple techs -

 

Well thanks guys for your replies. Actually, i needed some of your answers to make a final decision concerning a laptop purchase. I was planning on purchasing an Asus G1 next week, with a geforce 7700 but If the xbox 360/ps3 graphics and performance are far above those of the G1, why then should I spend this amount of money ?! I can maybe look at 7600 or X1600 15.4 laptop and purchase an xbox 360 with the price difference. I can't wait for DX 10 as i need my laptop soon.

 

because everything on x360 cost money..additional contents for games cost money, online play costs money, second controller costs money, games costs 69.99 Canadian dollar(59.99 american), a HDTV is needed for the game to match the computer vers of the game and that costs even more money..on PC you can download mods for all kinds of games and free online and..u can ..download games...off bt or sumthing

 

Again no, it is not true of earlier NVidia cards either.

Both NVidia and ATI make plenty of optimizations and cheats to make things go faster. But neither of them skip frames or pixels.

 

Maybe they're talking about anti-aliasing?

 

I think it would be pretty hards for an x1700 to produce 30fps on any game at 1920x1080.
Keep in mind though, that there are sacrifices made in console games vs. their PC ports. Oblivion is a fine example. While the 360 can play it smoother and at higher resolution, the detail is severely cut down. There really is no grass and the whole outside area looks kind of dull.

I'm sure if you actually had the detail set the same between a 360/ps3/x1700 or so, they would be similar. But it's hard to tell due to optimizations and such.

Keep in mind though, you get different games for the 360, ps3, and PC. While there are a few ports, you won't be getting the same thing on PC.
Do you prefer console games to PC games? If so, then don't get a DTR laptop. If you prefer PC games, then by all means, get a DTR laptop. You need to know the type of games you want to play.
If you really heart RTS games, then it would be somewhat pointless to get a console, as they really have no RTS games.

 

I agree with hollownail here. If you're a strategy guy, the consoles will not give you what you want. But if you're a shooter guy, then the consoles can give you games just as plentiful and just as good as PC. Gears of War is a perfect example. And if you're a platformer guy, the consoles will blow the PC away. However, if graphics are your primary concern, then the 7700 will not live up to the level of the PS3 or the 360. The PS3 uses pretty much a 7800GTX AFAIK, and the 360 uses something that's pretty much in between an x1800 and ATi's new DX10 card. The singular use of the consoles means that they will more than likely kill your PC in graphics at the high resolutions that they run. Even the highest end desktop computers have trouble running extreme games at 1920x1080 and maintain a minimum of 30fps. I would say getting a decent 15.4 laptop, say an Asus S96j, and a 360 would provide the most comprehensive all around experience. But that's just my opinion.

 

I hope i dont' get flamed for this but here goes:

I used to be a PC gamer about 4 years ago but this past summer i was contemplating whether to get a pc gaming rig or xbox 360. I figured $350 vs $1200 and went with the xbox 360.

I love my xbox 360 and i play at least an hour a day since July.

Opinions on gameplay:
If you play RTS games, PC all the way
If you play FPS games, it's what you prefer. I am very accurate with the controller and seems to cramp up using the keyboard and mouse setup but I like that you can move much quicker with the mouse.
If you play RPG's, PC
MMORPG - PC, duh
Action games - Xbox 360. Splinter cell, prince of persia, go with console

Opinions on graphics:
I personally have seen games played on a dual 7600GT setup with f.e.a.r. and oblivion, both of which play on console (which i own both) and PC and honestly being a console first guy, i think that the resolution on PC combined with dual graphics cards are better on a PC.

I mean on xbox 360 or ps3 you're playing either 1280 x 720 or 1920 x 1080 BUT remember this is generally on a 32" + screen. So although its high definintion, when playing on a 50" screen, resolution crispness can diminish.

a good pc graphics card can output resolutions greater than 1080p on a much smaller screen, rendering resolution much crisper and sharper on a PC monitor. I think that this gives PC games a great look and if coupled with a good setup, graphics can be outstanding. And although xbox 360 games will keep on looking better, the hardware is there to stay meaning you can't upgrade it like PC. I've seen crysis and that looks pretty amazing.... perhaps a reason which i may buy myself another gaming rig in the future.

I think the selling point for consoles is the lack of drivers and software needed. Just pop the game in and play. I also think that when 3-4 friends come over, it's MUCH easier to just hook up extra controllers and go to town than having them bring their desktops over to have a LAN party. Plus i know all my friends like to play some madden or some FPS before we go out to the bar, and so we just fire up my 32" LCD and play for a few hours and drink

Also the ease of online gaming. Xbox live is wonderful and its as simple as putting the game in and hitting find games. And it may not be an advantage for most, but i feel more comfortable with the controller. My pinky just hates it when i have to reach for that ctrl key and having 1-8 being weapons selections isn't too fun either.

But it's taste, and i want to do both. there are awesome titles for both PC and consoles, so i know i want to get the exclusives for both when they come out. I think i'll probably play my RTS, RPG's, and some FPS on the PC while i stick to action games, 3rd person shooters, and some FPS on the 360. I think it's stupid to render one superior to the other since it comes down to more personal tastes.

 

umm

what are you on?

PC is good for RTS and FPS can go both ways while consoles are good for RPG and MMORPG (FF series, oblivion, etc...)

my personal opinion, PC > all console put together

 

Do you guys not know how much a game cost for x360?? and you can get it for cheaper if not free on PC+ there are mods out there for PC games and non for x360. I kinda regret buying my x360.. everthing just costed so much..

dunno if we can talk about warez ehre..

 

Please don't. Thank you .

 

i said PC for RTS, i said FPS can go either way which both agree with what you're saying.... so what are you disagreeing with?

and the 360 or PS3 does not currenctly have any MMPORG's out. As for RPG's, the only solid title out for the next gen consoles is Oblivion. The OP was referring to consoles as PS3 and Xbox 360, not a PS2.

 

To nitpick, FFXI is an MMORPG that's available on the 360. And the PS2 version either is/will be running for the PS3. Not necessarily a shining example, but one nonetheless.

The PC would still be the better place to find MMORPGs though.

 

A good gaming Laptop/PC may be around 1400$
(1300$ lappy, 100$ accesories like headphone and joystick/other controller)
For example (Asus A8JP)
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3425&review=Asus+A8JP

But to play Xbox 360, 350$ is DEFINATELY NOT enough!
Count the TV!

 

why would you count the tv? You need a tv regardless if you buy an xbox 360 or not. well you dont NEED a tv but you don't need a car either. whether you buy an HDTV is personal preference and counting it into the price of an xbox 360 is kind of ridiculous.

 

hehehe...
My hostparent currently have Xbox360..
They put it on a non-flat CRT TV.
In my opinion, the graphic looks better on my laptop LCD than on their TV.

.'. A decent TV is reccommended to play Xbox 360/PS3..

Playing X360/PS3 on a regular TV would be like
Putting Ferrari Engine in a Honda Fit Chassis..
Fit is not bad. But it's just a waste for the Engine

 

As a MMORPG player, I prefer PC gaming, it's got the best MMORPGs out there, besides, any console MMORPG can always release a PC version and it would still rock.

As for FPS... i prefer the computer's mouse... it's a lot more accurate than a control stick, in my opinion.

Besides, if you don't want to carry your desktop all the way to your friends house just to play together (it's probably the reason why we all get gaming laptops)you can always play the PC Game over the internet. There are even programs that let you host virtual LAN games for the ones behind a router that normally wouldn't let you do so.

 

FOr me, the future is both Laptop and Smartphone.

I would never ever buy a console anymore..
Why??
coz' Lappy and Cellphone in the future 'll have IT ALL!

 

well like i said previously, im building a gaming desktop b/c i enjoy it as well.

and to the person that said to bring the laptop over, i don't know what kind of friends you have or what you do on weekends but none of my friends are going to bring their laptops over to my apartment to have an LAN party before we go out to the bar. We would much rather prefer playing madden with controllers on a 32" TV. *** if you take your laptop to a friends house every weekend to have an LAN party. Which is one reason i like my xbox 360. Sip beers and curse at your friends everytime someone makes a nice pass or run.

and as for the future being laptops and cell phones i have to disagree. Xbox live is rolling out HD downloads. It has so far been a big hit as you can download your favorite episodes of many tv shows and even movies in HD onto your harddrive via xbox live. The downloads range from 1.99 to 6.99 for a movie you can watch at any time in HD quality.

 

I'm going to have to step in at this point and ask that you keep your personal views on others' preferences out of your posts. We don't need an argument to start here because of insults, intentional or not.

Just because one person prefers to play on a console, it does not make the PC gamer any less of a person or a gamer. The reverse is also true.

 

Personally, I prefer to do my drinking before I get to the bar. But that's off topic.

I think it's important to point out that you need different gaming platforms and accessories for different occasions. If you just want to pass a few minutes before getting to a bar, then the consoles are a perfect fit. No booting up the computer, logging into Steam, waiting 10 minutes for the game updates to download, etc.

But if you want to play a few hours of MMORPG at your friend's house, such as World of Warcraft, then you can't beat a 15.4" laptop with a decent compatible video card.

It all depends on what type of gaming is to be had. But don't argue with me on the beer thing.

 

I think that pc games will outperform consoles upon the release of DX 10 graphic cards. You've seen crysis of course, but also Alan Wake, which an incredible upcoming games, that will use DX 10. The biggest drawback in my opinion for pc, is the need to buy new graphic card everytime. In my case, i need a laptop soon, i can't wait for June until the release of mobile graphic card DX 10 capable. I'll throw now 1500 US, knowing that in 6 months, I won't be able to run any of those incredible games. For consoles however, you buy an XBOX 360 and you don't have to worry about next games, its already "DX 10" capable, meaning, it already have these incredible capabilities.

Btw, DX 10 will be released in June approximately for laptop, right ??!

 

There's no guarantees of that. Last I heard, Nvidia was saying "maybe" something would be seen in July. The go 8xxxx is scheduled for late '07 as well. Perhaps there will be an announcement at either the CES next week or E3 in May.

 

the 8800 has already been released for desktops and DX 10 will be released with vista in less than a month. There is a gap of more than 6 months between desktops and laptops ! that's huge !

 

There are still a bunch of issues to be worked out in getting an very large and power-hungry desktop card to fit into a laptop. There are power, size, and cooling restraints that aren't evident in a desktop.

There are a number of discussions on this topic, particularly here in the Gaming forum.