"PC gaming is dying" my big fat a...

Am I the only one noticing how most of the compelling games - at least the cross-platform ones - from this generation of consoles are being ported to the PC? And more and more often, pretty well?

Every time I've thought "oh man, I'm gonna need to pick up a PS3 or Xbox360," the game I want gets announced for PC. First it was "Street Fighter IV," and now it's "Silent Hill: Homecoming."

I can't be the only person here who has happily found themselves able to forego this round of consoles almost entirely.

 

The only reason I have for a console right now is Rock Band.

 

honestly, i cannot play a FPS game on a console if my life depended on it. i think a mouse and keyboard + FPS is much better setup.

everythin else besides MMO's, i prefer to play on a console.

 

http://www.edge-online.com/news/pc-market-“far-stronger-than-anyone-has-reported”

Interesting article. Among other tidbits:

"...the PC has quietly remained the single leading platform for games, not only in terms of consumer usage, but revenue generation..."

LOL----I guess if PC gaming is dying, then console gaming is already dead.

 

Everyone knows this isn't true.

 

Lol, I think having to use the keyboard is terrible, the mouse is more responsive than a controller but I’ll happily take a controller if it means not using a keyboard. I can play for hours using a 360 control but pain sets in much quicker using a keyboard.

 

yes fps shooters are way fun on the comp, but i still cant play any adventure games using the keyboard/mouse setup. Sometimes using the controller just feels so fun. They'll need to come out with a rumble packed key board to shut me up on this one.

the console still have several things going for it: sports games, think 4 player maiden in your living room, and fighting games.. any chance soul caliber 4 is being ported?

 

I can't use a gamepad to save my life.....

 

u need a better keyboard. one that has a good angle and wrist support. =)

 

You guys act like there are no gamepads for PC, and no keyboards/mouse for consoles.....

I do have a Wii because its something different and not as expensive as the PS3 and Xbox360 and I did buy a 360 controller for my PC honestly thats all you need. Many PC games have 360 controls built right into them like Halo2, GRID, Devil May Cry 4.

 

Yeah, it sounds like your problem isn't with actually using the keyboard, Pudsey. A more comfortable keyboard might change your mind.

 

Consoles suck the only thing they are good for is Tekken and Final Fantasy series, all the other stuff are mostly crap games from asia that r so bad that i would rather kill myself than to play em.

P.S i am aware that FF and Tekken is made in Asia but all the other asian games i ever played stinks and so does their crappy consoles

 

It's logical in this computer-themed forum everyone will say computers rule and consoles suck in some way. Though it is a little close-minded view.

I'm not sayng PC gaming is dyng, oh no. But it sure is behind console gaming.
Mind you, X360 and PS3 aren't the only successful consoles out there. Nintendo Wii, Nintendo DS, Playstation 2 and Playstation Portable are also selling extremley good with hardware and software.

Though most of the X360 games are also released on PC .. as it's Microsoft policy and most of the console owners have PC to play games on, but alot of hardcore PC fanboys don't have console(s).

Some good names, what are only on consoles are : Gran Turismo series, Tales of .. series, most of the Final Fantasy games, Dead or Alive series, Monster Hunter Series, Super Mario series, Full Auto series, Ninja Gaiden series, Mana series, PGR series, Forza series, Legend of Zelda series, Pokémon series, Donkey Kong series, Naruto series, Smash Bros series, Ridge Racer series, God of War series, Yu-Gi-Oh! series, Ratchet & Clank series, WipeOut series, Tekken series and so on

All these names above are quite random and only on consoles. And all of them are series, meaning there are 2 or more games about it. (Most of them have 5 + games in serie) I didn't bring up simply exclusive games what are selling very well. Only series. If I were to type up well selling GAME names the list would be 5-6 pages of names.

 

Most of the series u said are in my opinion very boring games.

Only ones worth mentioning is FF, Tekken, Wipeout and Grand Turismo.

Rest are in my opinion kids games with boring gampelay and bad story. I however have not played em all so this goes for super mario, ninja gaiden, zelda, pokemon, naruto, smash bros, ride racer, yu gi somthing and Ratchet & Clank.

 

All I know is I remember watching G4 3 or so years ago and they said PC gaming was dying or near dead. All I can say is that was probably the biggest tech blunder I have heard this side of Macs not able to get viruses. PC gaming is where all the best visuals are, consoles may have some nice titles and all but are way behind PC gaming visuals and ease of play/use. Cant compete with a laptop for gaming portability.

 

I agree with Akuma. None of those games are kid games. If your criteria for being a kid game is the ease of the game then Tekken is a kids game for my friends and I.

When it comes down to it, Console has PC on lock. It just offers a little more variety (as Akuma expressed). FPS and RTS will forever be PC though. PC gaming will never die

 

Yes, in the end you get more bang for your buck with the consoles. 500 for a system that will last 5-10yrs where as a great gaming rig will only last 2-4yrs and you'll be dishing out 1600-2500

 

The only games i enjoyed on console was Tekken series, FF series, Gran Turismo series and the Wipeout series. The rest of the games i played on consoles which are very many since i personally own a PS1, PS2, N64and X-box.
some of my friends however own the newer consoles and i still have not found any other games on consoles that i like more than computer games.

I think most of the lack content and quality, that was the thing i wanted to say.

P.S the gamepads are also horrible in my opinion for any other games than fighting games, racing games and adventure games.

 

Well if that's your opinion. I agree somewhat though. There haven't been many good games released this year, but that goes for PC also.

The gamepad issue is just personal feel. I play BF: Bad Company on PS3, and it just takes getting use to. It's not as good as keyboard and mouse, but not bad enough where I don't want to play the game nemore.

 

Oh are all console fan boyz in this thread. First off Gears of War 2 will not require a super computer. I played the original Gears of War on my old laptop XPS M170, with a single core CPU and a go7800 GTX and at much higher res and much better framerates than the 360. Gears of War also looks better on the PC than the 360.

Fallout 3 will look better on the PC than console, who can argue against this.

Oblivion maybe scored higher, but what does that matter when the game in fact looks superior on the PC?

GTA IV has massive framerate problems, these will be finally gone when the game hits PC.

Gears of War 2 which does not come to PC "yet" will also look better on the PC and will not require any high end PC since they haven´t added much visually to the engine. It is still the the UT3 engine.

What makes every single multiplat look better on the PC than the consoles, it is simple: Antialising/Anisotropic Filtering/High Resolutions compared to the sub par so called "HD" on the consoles.

At such low res like 1280x720 (Which by the way isn´t even HD in the first place) even my old laptop that is from 2006 plays games at higher framerates than the consoles

 

I 2nd your comment on FPS, and nice dp

 

Who cares about graphics anymore?

Nintendo is kicking butt and taking names

But yeah PC has better graphics its just the cost/performance ratio isn't nearly as good as console.

I personally am not all into graphics as much as I am into gameplay and story. But I do need something decent to look at.

 

PC gaming better not be dieing, I just got into it lol.

 

pc games will never die. too many people use pc's for the game market to shift away from it. People love to have high end computers with fancy parts they can show off, and gaming is a perfect way of showing off.

 

nope, PC gaming is a stronger industry than EVERY console combined.

Don't like keyboards or mice? then use ANY controller you want, from high end racing wheels, to Xbox360 controllers, or even dualshock (PS2) controllers (which I own one of for pc).

There are more pc games than console games, there are also more good pc games than good console games, this is highly debatable depending on ones own tastes though. Saying that pc gaming is dead or dying is ignorant talk by people who either cannot afford a decent $500 gaming pc (which nowadays can include 2GB DDR2, HD 4850, E7300 etc.. Or there are people who merely purchased a console, and have lived to accept it, and anything else in thier eyes is rubbish because they own one.

The only issue with PC gaming is that pirating a game for the PC is easier than buying the game, even installing a pirated game is easier than buying and installing one. Even through all of this though, game developers are making alot of profit. People might remember Crytek saying that thier game was pirated too much, and that they might quit making exclusive pc games, yet they spoke too soon, and within a month came back saying that crysis pulled in more than 3x thier initial investment on the game, and that it was very profitable.

When you want quality, PC gaming is also the way to go. Games like COD4 prove this, and so does TF2. activision released a map pack of recyled maps from the single player of COD4, and charged console gamers, after milking them for everything possible, the maps were released for free to PC gamers.
With TF2, this one is clear, there are no, and will never be any updates for the console versions of team fortress 2, yet PC gamers are getting TONS of new maps, modes, weapons, things to do, several hundreds of achievements and so on every few months. There really is nothing that a console offers that a PC cannot. Even if people simply want something to use on thier huge HDTV, then build a media center box for around $600 with an 8800GT, or 4850 and set it up like any other console, even play games with a wireless Xbox360 controller, do whatever suits best.

I do own an xbox360 though, but the only reason I bought one is because Rock Band isn't on PC. However, I do play GH3 on my notebook.


btw, Akuma, I would love to see you play Oblivion maxed out on a PS3 in WUXGA+ resolution with 8xAA, full HDR, full AF, and a constant 60FPS. This is something that can be achieved with a $500-$600 computer.

 

Gears of War 2 READ!!! still uses the same engine as Gears of War 1. Only small updates to the UT3 engine, so the game will not dramatically need a much faster GPU unless the game is badly coded.

Who cares if the game isn´t even out yet. No console can compete with high resolutions and high antialiasing and high anisotropic filtering, can they?

Good points unknown you can build a very cheap and very fast PC now that is as expensive as a PS3 but has 4x in terms of gaming power.

I mean all this talk about how expensive it is, no one never counts in you need a HDTV for the games to look any good at all. Playing on a SDTV the game just looks bad. So that PS3 is suddenly not that cheap anyway is it?

So laptop wise you can get Gateways P7 FX with a 9800m GTS that beats the crap out of any console there and this for the price of a PS3 and an HDTV, **** even cheaper actually and plays games much better than any console.

 

Console games aren't played on small laptop screens nor 20" inch monitors.
But rather 42" inch HDTV's.

Sure GoW2 uses the same engine, but have you even looked the difference? GoW2 could be equal to Crysis. Yet no PC version of GoW2 is confirmed so it may never come.


@Levenly

MMO's aren't as widely on consoles, true. But Playstation 3 MAG has 256 + players and Final Fantasy XI uses the same servers as PC players and they can communicate too.
Online gaming is widely used on handheld consoles and PS3/X360, but MMORPG's are mostly only for PC's.

 

just from my observation, the UT3 engine is mostly a high texture engine. everything just seems to be texture in lighting, whereas crytek has much more particles, not to mention 90010123 billion polygons in every object. the physics in the crytek engine is much more advanced that the UT3 engine as well.

i'm not sure either console is capable of handling crysis styled engine at a solid and fluid 30 fps (which i think consoles run at... correct me if i'm wrong). crysis brings down some of the most powerful desktops to it's knees.

crytek is more realistic where UT3 is more dreamy / surreal.

 

Yes I will come back with even more amazing screens since the game will never be comparable graphically. UT3 engine doesn´t stand a chance, it is still UT3 engine with it´s corridor shooters. Gears of War 2 is not open ended since the UT3 engine doesn´t allow that.

Sure consoles is nice as they are, but they never replaces a high end PC. To me Gears of War 2 does not look any much better than the old Gears of War. They have not dramatically increased the graphics quality.

 

Me on the other hand is a die hard PC gamer I grew up with PC, well first it was Atari ST, then Amiga then PC. Sure have and do own a couple of consoles too. Nintendo 8 bit. PSP, GBA, 360. I have owned PS2 and Xbox original too.

 

Yep, it's possible that many UT3 based games are 'inside' games, but that doesn't change the fact that some of them have very good visuals.

Oh, and unknown555525 - here's a article for you.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6184847.html

NPD - 2007 game earnings (software sales) was 18 billion.

Category / Total / Change
Video Games: $17.94 billion +43%
Video Games Hardware: $7.04 billion +54%
Console Hardware: $5.12 billion +73%
Portable Game Hardware: $1.92 billion +19%
Video Games Software: $8.64 billion +34%
Console Software: $6.64 billion +39%
Portable Game Software: $2.00 billion +18%
Video Game Accessories: $2.26 billion +52%

As you see the % of console gaming is rising every year, and this year expected numbers are doubling the amount again. So it should be around 35 billion this year.

 

Sure but they can´t compete with Crysis graphically even if they are "insiders" Well enough with what´s the best and what not. Consoles are fine as they are. Games I do prefer on Consoles is of course Sports games all other games I play on PC and especially FPS.

Gears of War 2 will eventually hit PC as well, they didn´t announce Gears for PC after a year when Gears 360 was released anyway.

GTA IV will be released soon. The framerate drops was a major turn off for me, so I will finish the game on PC instead with smooth framerates.

Also this talk about PC gaming dying. Well they have talked about that every year since I started with PC and that is many years ago. Seems like they will never give up since PC gaming will never die.

Piracy is coming more and more to consoles, it´s not hard to crack a console today and download games for it.

 

as I thought, you show NPD sales, NPD accounts for less than 20% of pc game sales. WoW makes 9 billion dollars per year on subscriptions. Console software from the NPD shows $6.64 billion (consoles include all from x360 ps3, ps2, wii and so on). You've dug yourself a hole havent you?

 

Counter-Strike 749 hours, now that's hardcore

I guess i have about the same.


It is also true what you say about WoW according to a gaming site i saw a while ago. Crazy number for 1 game ^_^

 

Excuse me? Since when does WoW make this much?

According to this it's : http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/5/gamers_spend_1_billion_on_subscriptions

It has made 1.2 billion - http://kotaku.com/350895/blizzard-loots-12-billion-from-2007-thanks-to-wow


It's one billion, not 9.
Not to mention it already took 1 billion investment - http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articl...nt-needed-to-take-on-world-of-warcraft-kotick

 

I read about the 9 bill thing on a Norwegian site so it might be 9 billion NOK and not 9 billion USD, because 9 Billion NOK is about the same as 1,2 billion USD. I will however investigate this matter a little bit.

 

To each their own I guess. For gaming, I prefer my PS3, 40'' 1080p LCD TV and surround system any day.

 

The total (not just WOW) online PC gaming revenue was 4.8 billion (USD) in 2007.

Click the link in post #4.

 

Back to comment on the subject.

Console gaming is the thing that will die, Nintendo is the only company that has made profit on the new generation of machines. Xbox 360 and PS3 has cause major economical loos for Sony and Microsoft that they are probably not able to fix which means that this is probably the last round of consoles. As soon as the consoles drop out the games will die as well and PC will be the only way of gaming.

I also think that games will become to digital products only as well, and that you have to pay to play the game, like you pay a monthly fee to play each game not just MMO's. Or that u can download the games free but each time you play it you have to pay a small fee. Like this the industry will earn more and the crap games will go off the market.

This is however just my opinion.

 

The only problem with console not making as much money is that sony and microsoft are losing money on each console they sell and only gets profit from selling games.

Compare that to the pc gaming industry with alienware selling 8k gaming rigs. Now that' pure profit.

Console gaming is coming up though. Just look at the Wii fit, basically people will pay money for a bathroom scale. The list goes on from there, the wii driving wheel, guitar hero accessories, rock band equips, etc, etc. I think the console industry is only realizing now that they can play the same game and make loads on 'required' accessories.

 

lol @ satyrion

let's get a few things straight

pc gaming is fine, the pcga stats that say it's healthiest in terms of revenue don't mention cost. pc gaming is not the most PROFITABLE, you can be sure of that. the major drivers are MMOs and web-based games at this point. not that that's a bad thing, it's just the truth.

sony and microsoft aren't going anywhere, if you think they're going to drop out you're flat out retarded. the 360 just turned profitable this year. sony lost all of the profits on the PS2 through the launch of the PS3, however, they won the blu-ray war, which is all the PS3 was about to sony anyway. MS has always viewed the xbox division as a defensive business, making sure windows is safe. Neither is going to make any money to speak of but neither company is crippled by the losses their respective gaming divisions have incurred. In a way, this generation of consoles achieved the objectives for both MS and Sony, raw profits just weren't the objective here.

besides, the leader in the gaming industry is Nintendo, no bones about it, 2.4 BILLION DOLLARS IN PROFIT last year. the Wii and the DS are the dominant systems of the generation, and they are making money like mad. even the PSP is actually relatively successful, just overshadowed by the DS monster.

PC gaming isn't dying, but it is changing, and you're probably going to lose most of your big budget rig selling pc exclusive titles. this string of 360 and ps3 games getting pc ports will continue as long as the stream of big budget 360/ps3 games continue. the PC, in the eyes of most major gaming studios, is just another console for their multiplat future.

console gaming is not going anywhere, just because MS and Sony incurred massive losses this generation doesn't mean they're leaving, just means that they're going to fall in line for next generation, which is still quite a few years out. expect to see both companies fall in line with nintendo and release affordable, accessible consoles with mass appeal. they probably won't do it as well, nintendo is the leader and they both got caught with their pants down, but they will fall in line. console gaming is fine, pc gaming has quake live, all is good in the world

 

Give it time guys, PS3 and Xbox360 started off slow as they had to take a loss selling their consoles.

Once the price of technology comes down, which it already has, they'll both start making profits on their consoles.

Not only that, the idea is to sell consoles at a loss and recoup through software and accessory sales.

Just look at Wii, they have great profits despite having the lowest sales of all the consoles. That's because they aren't losing profits on theri Wii console since it's wayyy old tech inside.

Things will change for the better, trust me. And PC gaming isn't going anywhere either.

 

A LOT of posts have been deleted. Don't ask me to edit the posts, it would take really too much time.

I close this thread since it's no longer useful. Next time, you should report the thread instead of replying and insulting others.