PS3 hard drive is upgradable

The PS3's harddrive is upgradable by hand.

cool

 

cool dude.

 

Yeah people have been doing this, I'm about to put a 200GB in mine. If only I could do the same with my 360...good job MS.

 

makes me want to get one

 

i put a 200gb hd in my normal xbox

 

Sony really went all out with their console, I mean heck it runs linux! I think the PS3 will really start to see the limelight in 2008. As of now, it's still XBOX360's realm.

 

They didn't really go all out lol, its cheaper to use Hard Drives already availabe, same with the iPod

 

Yeah, there is no justification to get the 80GB SKU over the 60GB SKU, especially because the 80GB is only a worse option.

It doesn't use the Emotion Engine so no 100% backwards compatibility.

For $100 more you get 20GB of HD space....when you can get a 160GB HD for the same price.

Also, many people still don't understood just how good the PS3 is. Watch next year, when so many games come out for PS3.

 

Watch this year, when so many games come out for the Xbox 360. And next year too i guess.. but it isnt a year from now now is it?

 

Trust me, the Xbox 360 will be fighting for survival next year between the Wii and PS3 when it becomes even cheaper (and moreso if Bluray wins the format wr), the 1 year advantage didn't turn out as good as for the PS2 (hell, the Xbox 360 is still struggling against the PS2, although tat might be over by now...)

 

with many AWESOME games on the horizons for the ps3, id say it will be a force to be reckoned with. although most of those games are also on the 360, i still the exclusives are going to keep the ps3 kicking. the ps3 IMO has better exclusives then the 360.

 

Hmmmmmmmmmmm have you seen the xbox line up for the rest of the year pretty good if you ask me also i have a rule never ever buy a machine till after a year as you tend to find most games are poor until they get to grips with the machine .Do any of you guys remember the Phantom console that thing look so good but never came out........Fritzy

 

Xbox 360 > PS3.

Why? Games and XBL.

I like what the Xbox 360 is, a gaming machine.

PS3 has nothing on the 360.

 

Okay, I'll bite.

Good at what?
Are you saying it's a better games console hardware-wise than the 360? If so, you're wrong. It has its advantages, but none of them lie in gaming.

If you mean in the games lineup... well, which games are we talking about?

Um, the 360 is *still* outselling the PS3 in most markets. And MS are about to drop the price on it too. So it's not just living off its 1 year head start. That helped, but at the moment, it just sells better too.
Why exactly should the PS3 suddenly conquer the world?

Which makes it 100% irrelevant.
Which AWESOME exclusive games are coming out for it?

 

Sony is just being stupid. Drop the price down on the 60GB to $450 and you'll get sales up and have more support from game developers (who are scared to give sony 100% support because of their crappy sells). Don't drop the price of the 60GB just to phase it out and bring out an 80GB for the original $600.

But i'm waiting till next summer to decide between getting a 360 or PS3. For now i'll just stick with Wii, DS, and my lappy

 

I purposely didn't mention this year because there is no doubt that xbox 360 has more titles coming out this year. I mean, I have debated which console to get for a VERY long time and I finally chose the PS3 about 3 weeks ago. There is no doubt, that next year, PS3 is going to have a lot of new games....it's obvious you know nothing about the xbox 360's games next year....that means there are no big titles coming out.....what happens after Halo ends? What's going to be the game that yells out MS and Xbox?

Exclusives. Exclusives. First Party Exclusives.

Oh really now. Paying $60 a year to play online is funn. Halo and Tears of War are fun too. What else is there? If there are other good exclusives, please let me know.

I also love what the PS3 is.....a gaming machine, Blu-Ray, Bluetooth Controllers + Headset, Linux, MGS4, Killzone 2, Little Big Planet, Warhawk, Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, HaZe, UT3, Epic's New IP...and the ****in list goes on and on....

No, it can be argued that it IS in fact a better piece of hardware. Understand the word potential. The hardware in the PS3 is ahead of it's time in the respects that many many devs do not know how to work with it yet and find it very difficult to learn. Throughout next year and after, you will see more and more coming from the the devs, though.

You realize.....it's only outselling the PS3 because it's $100-$200 cheaper than the PS3 and because of Halo. Then there is the fact of all the money that MS is losing because of the xbox 360. Red Rings....?.....Three Year Warranty?.....Price Drop?.....Owned.

Actually, I agree with you in certain ways....but I think what would be PERFECT.....Is for Sony to make a 40GB SKU, and price that at flat $400. If they did that, you would definitely see a big change in sales.

Lastly, I will share some of my personal thoughts and some facts on why the PS3 is better than the Xbox 360.

I've never liked any titles except Halo and Gears of War on the Xbox. However, I am not talking bad about it any of my posts because I actually play my friend's 360 a lot. I've seen everything good and bad about it and it's obvious that the PS3 is at "LEAST" the best piece of hardware/best console.

Stop complaining about the price. You do realize that once you buy a console, it will be your only console for years. So you can't pay an extra 100-200 bucks for the better system? Look at the PS2, it's still alive and running after how many years? It even has 100+ games in development still. This is not directed to those who own the PS360 or 360Wii because you obviously don't care about the price.

PS3:
- $499
- 60GB (easily upgradeable)
- Built in Bluetooth
- BR > HD DVD
- Free Online Experience
- Home
- First Part Exclusives

Xbox 360:
- $399
- 20GB (harder)
- HD DVD Addon $179
- XBL $60 (ANUALLY....you realize if you play online every year which I am sure, you will EASILY spend $200 within the 360's lifetime....unless of course you get the Red Rings
- Controllers + Batteries (trust me it's worse than it sounds....I have been around the 360 a lot....I hate the controllers and they seem to hate me)

 

Lair, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Uncharted, Rachet & Clank, Eight Days, GT:HD, FF13, FF VS, LBP, Killzone 2, MGS4.

not bad ehh?

i like just about every single one of those games, and will buy them.

now, if i liked the xbox360, i would of bought one. however, I like my ps3 more, and that is what I went with.

 

How do you know this? How come you know more about the performance of the Cell than the devs trying to program for it? Perhaps you've already programmed a next-next-gen game on the PS3? Shame Epic didn't hire you, eh? They could have skipped UE3 and gone straight for an even more amazing engine with you on the team.
I know a fair bit about hardware and CPU architecture, I've read up quite a lot on the Cell. I say it's not that amazing for games.
(If we want to be pedantic, I could say that yes, the PS3 is ahead of its time, in the same way that the flying machine Leonardo da Vinci's flying machine was ahead of its time... The idea was good, but he just didn't have access to the stuff that'd make it work. The idea behind Cell is good, but it's just not possible to make a good Cell-style CPU until 2010 at the earliest. The Cell had to cut far too many corners to be considered a good gaming CPU)

Here's a few reasons why:
It has lousy branch prediction. Branches are very common in most game code.
It only has one general-purpose (non-streaming) CPU core. This is hyperthreaded (or more specifically, it supports a form of SMT, but not Intel's Hyperthreading), which means it can sort of run two threads in parallel. But as already said, it has lousy branch prediction, and in addition, it is very narrow (each thread can only read one instruction per cycle. Core 2 can do 4/cycle, other PC CPU's can do 3). What's more, instructions can only be processed in-order (Ever since the Pentium Pro, PC CPU's have been able to execute out of order, for a *huge* performance boost)

And of course, this core has to, on top of all the general purpose computations that the SPE's can't handle, control the SPE's which takes up further execution time.

The SPE's? More or less the same story. They kick ass at streaming floating-point operations. Just a shame those aren't all that common in games, isn't it? Got a movie you want to decode? These beasts will do the job in no time. But getting them to do something useful in games is a different story. There just aren't many tasks they're able to do, much less do efficiently.

The Cell is a very powerful CPU. It's just also a very specialized CPU. And what it specializes at isn't gaming performance.
And as always, the problem with specialization in one area is that it means weaknesses in other areas. The Cell is very weak in a lot of areas.

Next up, we have the GPU. Oops. Sony had to make do with a refitted Geforec 7900, didn't they? It's not a bad GPU, but it's a PC GPU. It's not made specifically for the PS3, and it doesn't really "fit in". There are bottlenecks, because those are unavoidable on PC hardware, but that could have been (and typically are) avoided in consoles.

The 360? Why, they got a specially-designed GPU with a load of kick-ass features. What's more, it integrates smoothly into the rest of the console's hardware, without noticeable bottlenecks.

Yeah, presumably. That tends to be the case for all consoles.
In particular, it'll also be the case for the 360.
I still haven't seen a list of all the AWESOME PS3 exclusive games that are coming out, however.

YOu do realize none of this is at all relevant? You do realize that you're making (invalid) excuses for a friggin' piece of consumer electronics? Isn't that a bit sad, you think? Owned yourself.

It doesn't matter why it is outselling the PS3. It might make a difference to fanboys who feel that they need to defend a piece of plastic with silicon bits inside it, simply because it says "Sony" on the box.
To this discussion, it has no relevance whatsoever. They are outselling the PS3, which means they're not losing their market dominance. Which in turn means they're unlikely to lose it completely within the next year, and which also means that they're not *just* living off their head start.
It also doesn't matter that Microsoft is losing money. So is Sony. But it doesn't matter in either case, because both companies can afford it, and what matters is how popular the consoles are, and which games come out for each system.

Obvious how, exactly?
So far, in the games that are out on both consoles, graphics are identical.

If it isn't better, 100-200 bucks is a lot of extra money to pay.

So, on to your little list:
PS3:
- $499
- 60GB (easily upgradeable)
- Built in Bluetooth // Which is relevant how, exactly? If we're talking about its capacity as a *games* console...
- BR > HD DVD // Not really, no. Not unless you're a Sony Fanboy. For the rest of us, they're about the same. Each has a few advantages and disadvantages that basically mean nothing. (HD movies can easily fit on HDDVD, in the same or better quality) (And again, irrelevant if we're discussing *games* specifically)
- Free Online Experience // An online experience which most people say sucks compared to that of the 360.
- Home // Hmm?
- First Part Exclusives // Oh, unlike the 360 which has no exclusives, you mean?

Xbox 360:
- $399 // They just dropped the price, you know?
- 20GB (harder)
- HD DVD Addon $179 // Not needed for games. Aren't we talking about which console is best *for games*? Of course if you want something to play HD movies on, the 360 suddenly becomes more expensive, but that's not what we're discussing.
- XBL $60 (ANUALLY....you realize if you play online every year which I am sure, you will EASILY spend $200 within the 360's lifetime....unless of course you get the Red Rings
- Controllers + Batteries (trust me it's worse than it sounds....I have been around the 360 a lot....I hate the controllers and they seem to hate me)[/QUOTE]

What, you don't need controllers + batteries for the PS3? Of course there, the batteries are irrelevant because you can't change them. So I guess you just need to replace controllers instead. Which is better how, exactly?
And are you saying the 360 doesn't have exclusives? Umm...

In short, thank you for the fanboyism of the day. (if you want to argue that this is unjustified, then perhaps you should explain why this list mentions PS3 exclusives as an advantage of the PS3, but doesn't mention the 360's exclusives as an advantage for that? Perhaps you'd like to explain *how* the PS3 is better hardware-wise, and how you know this, how you apparently know *more* about its hardware strengths than the developers working on it, and perhaps you'd care to list some of the AWESOME exclusives that are coming out for the PS3. Perhaps, you'd even care to explain why "BR> HD DVD"? Preferably with a few facts.

Until you do that (and remember the "facts" part), I think I'll keep labelling this blind fanboyism.

And back to our scheduled programming.

 

Weren't there rumours that FF and MGS were going cross platform?
And a little side question, how many exclusive games does it have *now*? (as in, already released games)
And of course, the 360 (obviously) has a few exclusive titles too.

True. Not particularly good either though. A decent list, just like the 360 has. I wouldn't count this an advantage for either system.

Which is a good reason.
Buying a PS3 because you like its exclusive games makes sense.
Buying it because you (again) bought into Sony's propaganda machine telling you it's the most powerful supercomputer on the planet (just like they did with the PS2) is *not* a good reason to buy one. Glad you went with the former, unlike a lot of people.

 

I didnt hear of any rumors on FF or MGS going "evil", but hey i dont know everything.

the PS3 is lagging behind in great games now, i agree. however, those games are coming out, and i like em.

im sure the 360 has a very nice list also, but not im as interested in them.

i dont buy into fanboyism, i dont care if people break their ps3, or if people says its the worst console since the neo-geo. i buy what i think to be the best, and that is all that matters. if the console fails (saturn/dreamcast) then it fails, and i have a piece of history with some games to play on it. also, the fact that id had blu-ray included was a bonus for me, since i get to fully enjoy my 1080P monitor with some pretty good movies.

 

lmao at how this was turned into a debate thread. Anyways, whoever brought the 20gb PS3 doesn't look so dumb now.

 

1. Yeah, MGS4 isn't going to happen on the 360. Just not. Did you see the gameplay footage....Snake uses the PS3 Six-Axis to control the machine. FF is more probable to go multi platform, though.

2. All PS3 has as of now is Resistance, at least what I would buy. Starting this month, however, and going to the end of this year, PS3 is going to have games like Warhawk, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, Uncharted I believe, LittleBigPlanet also....and so on.....There are so many games coming out that I forget to mention some.

No, of course you need "batteries", but the ones in the PS3, don't need to be changed. The only time you would have to change them is if it dies. The people I know who own PS3s have never had problems with their controllers. They last for a long time. You can easily charge them through the PS3 or your PC. I've had time to play the 360, too, and I hate that they need batteries. They seem to die so quickly. Then you need to get more batteries, or if you don't have any, not everyone can play....You can get a charger of some sort as well for the x360, but that adds even more money into it. Which is what everyone complains about isn't it...the price of the PS3.

I'm not a fanboy. I'm simply stating my opinion backed up with facts that I believe are relevant. I'm sorry if I came off as a fanboy

I'm sure all of the above information is true. About Cell, RSX, everything. However, you agree that the PS3 is ahead of it's time....that it's a new thing...a good idea. That was my point exactly. I do not need to pretend I understand Cell more than you because I don't. My question is, how is it not better than the Xbox 360? I heard that the 360 has a better GPU and the PS3 has more ram or a faster processor.

But, like I said, the developers are having a hard time with it and it will only get better over time. That IS a fact. Stating it doesn't mean I, MYSELF, know more about it. THEY said it themselves.

Now, if you want a list of PS3 exclusives. Fine:

Resistance
Metal Gear Solid 4
Killzone 2
LittleBigPlanet
Warhawk
Uncharted
Ratchet and Clank Future
Lair
Heavenly Sword
L.A. Noire
- 2 Other R* Exclusives
God of War 3
- 2 Other exclusives from same maker
Metal Gear Online
HaZe (timed)
UT3 (timed)

Now list me the 360 exclusives, please. Thank you.

I guess it doesn't matter so much, but between the time the system came out and now, the system pretty much only had one exclusive that was worth buying, Resistance. All the other good games were just multi platform.

And now people can get 80GB HD instead of 20GB for the same price along with free movies etc.

 

god of war III wasn't officially announced, but it's inevitable that it's coming any time in the future

 

If it sells and it travels its all about making cash i mean away back in january of this year a certain gears of war was not going to turn up on the pc hmmm........its only in house games that dont cross over.so metal gear on the 360 good chance but lets face it every machine has good and bad points so lets just play games and chill lol..........................Fritzy

 

Yes, it wasn't announced. But the maker, I forget his name, already confirmed 3 exclusives for the PS3 and he is the one who made GoW and GoW2. GoW3 is as you said inevitable.

No, it's not going to come on 360 unless Konami wants to slap Kojima in the face.

 

They've already annoucned at E3 that MGS with be an exclusive. They annoucned it at E3. Final Fantasy will be exclusive (about 90% sure on this one). Rockstar will be exclusive also ( here)

Most of the games on you're list aren't really that great, illmatic. They have 360 counterparts that ar e just as good or better.

 

Huh? How can they have counterparts when they are all exclusive titles....and none of them are out yet....except Resistance....

The only game I don't want myself off that list is Lair. I don't know what you mean they aren't that great...haha

Warhawk is an awesome online experience with full splitscreen support; air, vehicle, foot combat; very fun.

Ratchet and Clank is nothing new, but the new game looks stunning and if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Very good platformer.

MGS4 and Killzone 2? Not that great? You're nuts.

LittleBigPlanet is going to be a breakthrough; people can build; share; create their own levels/environments and interact with them.

 

You forgot The Agency

 

That's an exclusive? I didn't think it looked that good anyway. I only listed the games that are the best exclusives. I am sure there are more.

 

ratchet and clank = most underrated series ever. This is the game that makes me consider buying a ps3. To give you an idea of underrated, I mean that I have more fun playing this game than the halo series (being totally serious). With that said, I think that it is more fun than halo, lol. Maybe it's just personal preference for me, but halo and halo 2 to me seem like very similar games and I've had more fun playing counter-strike. Many people would say that I'm an idiot/fanboy/noob for saying that, but oh well.

Illmatic, every ratchet and clank game has seen an improvement in gameplay/new additions (like the weapon level up starting with the 2nd game in the series). That's why I love it so much. They don't do the same thing everytime. The 4th one doesn't count though because that's just a ratchet game (not a ratchet AND clank game).

 

I have an Xbox 360, but I really wish I had a PS3 as well. I really think Sony stole the show at E3 by showing a huge list of cool games. As of now I have absolutely no interest in the Wii, as the only game for it I want to play is Super Mario Galaxy.

 

what about brawl and zelda..........................

 

Well of course I didn't mean MGS.

Gears of War is much better than Resistance and probably going to be better than Killzone (basing that on experience from first killzone)

Heavenly Sword is going to be good, but....not going to make anyone run out there and pick up a PS3. I doubt warhawk will either.

LittleBigPlanet...if you say so.

God of War is going to be good of course.

 

well, since your opinion is completely yours, and cant be wrong, then how can you say this about others? how do you know other people arent waiting for these particular games?

i am waiting for them, and i already have my ps3..would i buy a ps3 for one game? the answer is no, but give someone enough games to like, and you have someone who will buy a ps3. so regardless of the one hit wonders, the combination of KZ2 + heavenly sword + warhawk + little big planet, and there is someone who is waiting for these particular games, and yes, they will buy a PS3 for them.

how many people do you know bought a playstation just to play FFVII? i know quite a few....

 

Struggling for survival? No i dont think neither of the 3 consoles will struggle, they have solid fan bases already but the simplicity of upgrading your own PS3 drive will appeal to many people especially once they mod it and are able to store whole games in them like the old Xbox. The 360 has a healthy lead and will surely stay in the fight just as well as the first gen console did and the Wii's innovative gameplay will keep people hooked enough to buy a console which is exactly what Nintendo needs. The PS3 has a lot of potential and Blu-Ray will be around for years to come while HD-DVD's future is far less certain but there is no telling what might come round the corner. I would expect the 360 to eventually come with a HD-DVD drive preinstalled to properly compete with the PS3 as newer games require larger capacities.

So yes this is good news for the PS3 but not game over for its competitors, it just makes it a bit tougher for them.

 

You can't compare Halo to Ratchet....seriously. Halo is FPS and Ratchet is Platformer. You just can't compare them...in any way.

Relax. I know how good the Ratchet and Clank series is. I own all of them except Going Commando, which I may pick up sometime. They all Greatest Hits anyway. The only game I was disappointed with was Deadlocked. I really hate the gladiator arena and **** and I hope they don't have ANY of it in Ratchet and Clank Future.

Not Mario Kart Wii? Super Smash Bros Brawl? Metroid Prime Corruption? Well....those are the only three games I want on Wii anyway and Super Mario Galaxy of course...I really was disappointed in Nintendo when they decided to go casual instead of old school like Mario, Zelda, Metroid, etc. I know they HAVE those games, but it's almost like they are making them just because they owe it to the fans or something. WiiFIT? what the hell is that garbage....

1. Actually, Resistance VS Gears of War is a very bad comparison. I actually prefer Resistance over Gears of War. Besides the cover system, reload system and the graphics, there isn't much I like about the game....meaning the shooting part. It's very bland. There are some very unique weapons that I enjoy using, but the machine guns are bland.

And no, you can't base Killzone 2's success on Killzone 1. It's obvious that they have been hard at work after the gameplay they showed at E3. From what I saw, I think it's DEFINITELY going to be better than Gears of War? Why? First off, Gears of War has so much bloom that I feel the need to turn down the brightness sometimes. I really hate all the bloom they have in a lot of new games, most of them being on the xbox 360. Graphics aside, the gameplay looks very much better than Killzone 1. They tried really hard to make it a real first-person experience meaning that there will be no third person combat. When you set charges, take cover...it will all be in first person.

2. Trust me. Warhawk, is a game that is definitely getting people to go out and buy a PS3. Those people really enjoy that game. But yes, I would never buy a PS3 JUST for Warhawk...let alone one game.

3. Well, LBP is very....creative and new. We will see what happens, but from what I saw, I know I will definitely have fun with it.